EPTOn August 02 2011 12:17 BlackJack wrote:
You know the economy is bad when you go to college to become a prostitute.
You know the economy is bad when you go to college to become a prostitute.
hahaha, pretty much sums up thread in the funniest way.
Girls using wealthy men to pay off student loans - Page 10
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b0ngt0ss
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hahaha, pretty much sums up thread in the funniest way. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:19 Gamegene wrote: Fine. Whatever. But come on. Are wome- No. Are families and couples really trying to do this out of self interests (so cynically)? I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm merely responding to the bolded statement. The rest of the paragraph is less important compared to what I've bolded.[/QUOTE] I guess my crazy ramblings have to do with this: Eve...insanity. True, but the bolded part is completely irrelevant to what you've quoted. I quote you again: It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing. Nothing in the paragraph is a reason why you consider all prostitution so fundamentally wrong and undebatable your mind rebels at thinking about the converse. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:20 Nightfall.589 wrote: What about the final case? Marrying someone for the money? It is also not prostitution, just a case of ulterior motives. Prostitution implies that a business transaction was arranged where one party pays another party and receives a sexual service in return (knowingly). | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:19 Gamegene wrote: I mean damn there's some arguments where you won't win no matter what you say, but this was just complete insanity. You mean against people like who say "It's hard to rationalize topics like these when every moral fiber of your being is just numb thinking that it isn't blatantly obvious that prostitution is not supposed to be a good thing"? Gee, wonder what that's like. Unlike you, I've provided actual argumentation in support of the ideas I've advanced. If you think they're wrong, feel free to logically criticize them, but so far, you've only posted BS about your 'feelings' as if they had any weight in the matter. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:20 Nightfall.589 wrote: That wasnt even in your last post. Anyway, lets clear up this silliness: What about the final case? Marrying someone for the money? prostitute [ˈprɒstɪˌtjuːt] n 1. a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money 2. a man who engages in such activity, esp in homosexual practices 3. a person who offers his talent or work for unworthy purposes vb (tr) 1. to offer (oneself or another) in sexual intercourse for money 2. to offer (a person, esp oneself, or a person's talent) for unworthy purposes [from Latin prōstituere to expose to prostitution, from prō- in public + statuere to cause to stand] prostitution n prostitutor n Marrying someone for money does not meet the def. of prostitution, it is being a whore, it is being a royal cunt and a host of other fair, derogatory terms, but it is not being a prostitute. This is, again, by the simple meaning of the word and the reality that they are engaging in. This isnt an ethical debate, or some difficult abstraction, its simply applying words to their correct contexts. Sorry to all you post modernists out there, language actually can be used accurately to convey specific ideas. Shocking, I know. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:23 MrDudeMan wrote: It is also not prostitution, just a case of ulterior motives. Prostitution implies that a business transaction was arranged where one party pays another party and receives a sexual service in return (knowingly). That's what marrying someone for money is... | ||
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: Can someone explain the difference between prostitution and a gold digger wife? One provides an optimal service for a fix price, the other fixes the price for inoptimal service. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: Can someone explain the difference between prostitution and a gold digger wife? The former is highly aware of the transactional nature of her relationships with men; the latter stands a good chance of being consciously unaware of it and simply finds wealthy men sexually attractive and holds herself to 'having standards' for men. The latter is also on a long-term contract that she can usually terminate whenever she so chooses and yet continue to recieve compensation long after she stops providing sex. | ||
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NeverMore9
13 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:26 sunprince wrote: The former is highly aware of the transactional nature of her relationships with men; the latter stands a good chance of being consciously unaware of it and simply finds wealthy men sexually attractive and holds herself to 'having standards' for men. ... You're really, really reaching, now >< Maybe most of the people on this online service find thousands of dollars irresistible and incredibly alluring for the holder. The above statement makes just as much assumption and sense as yours. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:24 lizzard_warish wrote: 1. a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money So, how is it that gold-digger spouses are not prostitutes, yet the women cited in the OP are? What is the distinguishing characteristic between the two? | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
No because in the case of a prostitute both parties are fully aware of what is going on. I guess you could argue that in some cases rich men are fully aware their wives are goldiggers, but generally they are not. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:29 MrDudeMan wrote: No because in the case of a prostitute both parties are fully aware of what is going on. I guess you could argue that in some cases rich men are fully aware their wives are goldiggers, but generally they are not. So if the guy knows their wife is marrying them for the money, is it prostitution? Do older men generally think they are irresistible to women decades their younger? | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
nothing wrong with it, if its sex that you want sure that's exchangeable, I just value friendship as something that has nothing to do with money. edit: Also about golddigging, nothing really wrong with it either since people used to marry for money/status anyways. Marrying based on "love" is actually quite a modern concept. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:30 acker wrote: So if the guy knows their wife is marrying them for money, is it prostitution? If all the man is getting from the relationship is sex, then yes I suppose. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:28 acker wrote: Maybe most of the people on this online service find thousands of dollars irresistible and incredibly alluring for the holder. The above statement makes just as much assumption and sense as yours. The fact that the people on this service rationalize away what they do as not being prostitution is pretty good support of how cognitive dissonance works in this case. They can't pretend it's not transactional because it's too obvious, but gold-digging wives certainly can. I'm sure if they were to ever do a poll on women married to wealthy men, few to none would acknowledge that they were marrying for the money, even anonymously. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:31 MrDudeMan wrote: If all the man is getting from the relationship is sex, then yes I suppose. So if you pay money for sex and the other person cooks you a meal, that's also not prostitution? How about if the guy dates you and takes you to movies every week? Or holds philosophical conversations with you? The last sentence is actually some high-end prostitute's requirement for the men she "dates", it's kind of funny. | ||
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ErMaCsc2
United States1 Post
On August 02 2011 15:29 MrDudeMan wrote: No because in the case of a prostitute both parties are fully aware of what is going on. I guess you could argue that in some cases rich men are fully aware their wives are goldiggers, but generally they are not. A definition was posted earlier in this thread of what a prostitute is: 1. a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money 2. a man who engages in such activity, esp in homosexual practices 3. a person who offers his talent or work for unworthy purposes vb (tr) 1. to offer (oneself or another) in sexual intercourse for money 2. to offer (a person, esp oneself, or a person's talent) for unworthy purposes Please indicate in this definition where intent or awareness is referenced. As far as I can tell, the definition is purely based on action. Whether a woman engages in sexual intercourse for money conciously or otherwise doesn't make a difference, based on the definition posted. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On August 02 2011 15:28 Nightfall.589 wrote: One is having sex for money, the other is marrying for it.So, how is it that gold-digger spouses are not prostitutes, yet the women cited in the OP are? What is the distinguishing characteristic between the two? | ||
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