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It is funny you think my world view is contradicting just because you believe I have the same delusions you have. Yet if I had, I wouldn't have the world view I have, now would I? So in fact yours is self contradicting.
Also funny you feel you need to use an alt account to make the point. As for Hitler, it makes no sense whatsoever that you think that comment was directed at you somehow.
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On April 20 2012 00:38 Miyoshino wrote:
It is funny you think my world view is contradicting just because you believe I have the same delusions you have. Yet if I had, I wouldn't have the world view I have, now would I? So in fact yours is self contradicting.
Also funny you feel you need to use an alt account to make the point. As for Hitler, it makes no sense whatsoever that you think that comment was directed at you somehow.
Huh, I'm from Sweden and created this account like a year ago. You can ask mods to verify we're not the same person if that'll ease your conspiratorial mind. Just try not to smear any opinions I don't have on me and I'll be fine though.
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On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again.
Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up.
However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths.
And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone.
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Anders played WoW all day.
That explains his rabid hatred for immigrants. They could never understand his instructions on vent and always ended up wiping the raid.
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On April 20 2012 07:03 Voltaire wrote:
Anders played WoW all day.
That explains his rabid hatred for immigrants. They could never understand his instructions on vent and always ended up wiping the raid.
Gratz on 1000 posts... But... Isn't that "joke" a bit bad taste?
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On April 20 2012 07:12 Mentalizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 07:03 Voltaire wrote:
Anders played WoW all day.
That explains his rabid hatred for immigrants. They could never understand his instructions on vent and always ended up wiping the raid. Gratz on 1000 posts... But... Isn't that "joke" a bit bad taste?
Probably. It was meant to poke fun at the conclusions some people are going to draw from the fact that he played WoW, and nothing else.
I can just imagine people accusing the game of "warping his mind" in the same way people accuse GTA of causing shootings, etc.
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On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone.
I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them".
Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it.
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On April 21 2012 20:11 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone. I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them". Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it.
Yes, people let emotions cloud better judgement.
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I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got.
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On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got.
What? he is revealed to be a clown. he is basically destroying himself and his message.
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On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got.
I understand your point, and in a way I agree with it, but have you followed the trial? He gets picked apart. He isn't spreading a message, he isn't letting out some rallying cry. He simply gets picked apart as the cold blooded delusional child murderer he is.
As an example The leader of Norwegian Defence League (nutjobs) pulled out of the organisation because he doesn't wanna be mentioned in the same sentence as Breivik!
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On April 21 2012 22:07 Undrass wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got. What? he is revealed to be a clown. he is basically destroying himself and his message.
What in the world? For any sensible person he was revealed to be something much worse than a clown on 22 July 2012. For random idiots who found him inspiring when the massacre just had happened, it's not like they're suddenly going to realize he's a clown now.
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On April 21 2012 20:11 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone. I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them". Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it.
You know that death penalty costs the state more than lifelong prison.
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On April 21 2012 22:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:07 Undrass wrote:On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got. What? he is revealed to be a clown. he is basically destroying himself and his message. What in the world? For any sensible person he was revealed to be something much worse than a clown on 22 July 2012. For random idiots who found him inspiring when the massacre just had happened, it's not like they're suddenly going to realize he's a clown now.
He is inspiring no one. That's the point. And Breivik is slowly being forced to realize that, along with many other things that contradict his delusions.
Undrass is Norwegian and because of his local media he knows much much more about this case than you do. It's embarrassing to see.
My father was like "How pissed off must all those parents be to see the killer of their children get a fair trial." when in fact all those people feel very proud about the way they carry out this trial. And rightly so.
That's what you get when you don't know the facts and just blurt out something based on your own gut feeling, unguided and unrestrained by a sophisticated moral compass.
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On April 21 2012 22:12 kyllinghest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got. I understand your point, and in a way I agree with it, but have you followed the trial? He gets picked apart. He isn't spreading a message, he isn't letting out some rallying cry. He simply gets picked apart as the cold blooded delusional child murderer he is. As an example The leader of Norwegian Defence League (nutjobs) pulled out of the organisation because he doesn't wanna be mentioned in the same sentence as Breivik!
Yeah, I heard about that. I still think he's getting too much room to spread his ideology though. For example letting him read a 13 pages long defense speech for a crime he's already admitted. Can't really see the point in that. If anything, he should keep it short and sweet.
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On April 21 2012 22:23 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 20:11 SiroKO wrote:On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone. I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them". Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it. You know that death penalty costs the state more than lifelong prison.
There's a wide variety of execution methods, and some of them are 1000 times cheaper than lifelong prison trust me.
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On April 21 2012 22:26 Miyoshino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 21 2012 22:07 Undrass wrote:On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got. What? he is revealed to be a clown. he is basically destroying himself and his message. What in the world? For any sensible person he was revealed to be something much worse than a clown on 22 July 2012. For random idiots who found him inspiring when the massacre just had happened, it's not like they're suddenly going to realize he's a clown now. He is inspiring no one. That's the point. And Breivik is slowly being forced to realize that, along with many other things that contradict his delusions. Undrass is Norwegian and because of his local media he knows much much more about this case than you do. It's embarrassing to see. My father was like "How pissed off must all those parents be to see the killer of their children get a fair trial." when in fact all those people feel very proud about the way they carry out this trial. And rightly so. That's what you get when you don't know the facts and just blurt out something based on your own gut feeling, unguided and unrestrained by a sophisticated moral compass.
I'm Swedish and have full access to the televised trial as well as all other media coverage. I guess you assume I'm American just because I'm a bit critic of this part of the trial. I'm not talking about not allowing him a fair trial, that Norwegians are "pussies" for not giving him the death penalty or the Norwegian criminal system is too soft. The only embarrassment here is you lumping me together with others for no reason, kind of like how Breivik does.
EDIT: Fwiw I'm not alone in my opinion, there's a debate going on about the media coverage during the trial and relevant criticism is being raised. I happen to side with the ones arguing the way this trial and media coverage is being done is giving Breivik too much of a platform for his message. And whether he's inspiring anyone, what do you really know? Currently Wikipedia is having big troubles with Breivik supporters controlling the content of their Breivik articles. Accoring to the Norwegian chief of Wikipedia, Jarle Vines: "There is no shortage of people sharing Breivik's opinions on Wikipedia".
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On April 21 2012 22:29 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:23 Uracil wrote:On April 21 2012 20:11 SiroKO wrote:On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:[quote] He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone. I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them". Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it. You know that death penalty costs the state more than lifelong prison. There's a wide variety of execution methods, and some of them are 1000 times cheaper than lifelong prison trust me.
It's not about the execution. It's about the correct juidical process needed which is longer and more expensive.
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On April 21 2012 22:39 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:29 SiroKO wrote:On April 21 2012 22:23 Uracil wrote:On April 21 2012 20:11 SiroKO wrote:On April 20 2012 07:01 Mentalizor wrote:On April 19 2012 19:22 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 18:16 Teoman wrote:On April 18 2012 21:28 r.Evo wrote:
Dear people who want to see this guy rot in hell, get executed or raped for the next 50 years straight,
please show some damn respect to a legal and social system that in all likelyhood produces less and resocializes more criminals than the ones in your own country. Contrary to most other countries on this planet, these guys must be doing something right. Stop smacking them for something you don't understand, but what clearly works.
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Dear Norwegians,
a part of me always enjoyed being at the front when events like this happen. I usually want to soak up as much information about tragic events like these in the shortest amount of possible time. In fact, I still remember sleeping like 3 hours within 3 days when this started, just to keep people posted and up to date here, add more information and pictures and keep false rumors from spreading.
I can't think of any event (neither with more nor less impact) where I have been more impressed by the people handling it. What you guys have pulled off from literally the first minutes all the way up to this trial is one of the most humane and inspiring things I've seen a country and it's people do in my life. This entire event, as tragic as it is, will be something I will tell my kids about in the future if I'm going to have any.
Thank you for setting an example for the rest of the world. It's not more, not less. Just that.
<3³ ¨ Thank, it warms my heart <3 On April 18 2012 21:42 sc4k wrote:
I'm all for human rights, fair trial and all that good stuff, but why the hell do the lawyers representing breivik's victims' families shake his hand? The guy really doesn't seem to have been treated like a mass murderer of youngsters. I get that Norway wants to show how they bend over backwards to adhere to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty', but it's not like this case will, from the viewpoint of any sane individual, produce a result that doesn't in some way show he is guilty. Well, what is the correct objective treatment of people who are not convicted, but are on trial for mass murder? Should he be brought in in shackles with people throwing tomatoes at him? The innocent until proven otherwise is a cornerstone in western legal systems. And making exceptions to that would be betraying what this system stands for. On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:On April 19 2012 10:11 Tomba wrote:On April 19 2012 09:57 ranshaked wrote:
So you're going to let him live in a private cell with 3 meals a day? Doesn't sound all that bad to me. After a few years he will have tv and privlidges. He deserves none imo He already has acces to a computer with text software and also uses it to watch tv-series as far as i know..... So I don't know what youre talking about. Source (in norwegian tho) + Show Spoiler + Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. Prisons in Norway arent meant to be hell, they are meant to be for rehabilitation, so that crime can be prevented in the future. If you believe otherwise, i suggest you check out some statistics to simply show you what works best at the moment. I can understand the sence of injustice you may feel over this though. On April 19 2012 16:29 tonning wrote:
The Norwegian system is pretty silly tbh. I mean on the radio they said that a prison send their prisoners to a cinema like 1 time a month, that's kind of scary considering there are non-prisoners there aswell.
Tbh he deserves more than 21 year in prison with a TV, soft bed and luxeries, he even said himself that he deserves a death penalty and the norwegian system is broken.
Well, Is him getting his will what he really deserves? On April 19 2012 17:29 Bleak wrote:On April 19 2012 16:15 iMAniaC wrote:On April 19 2012 10:46 ranshaked wrote:
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Why are you giving murderers such an awesome place? Hell, those rooms are nicer than some apartments around here. Sounds more like a hotel than a prison. Prisons are meant to be hell not some place with Internet tv and a lavish life. No, prisons are meant for rehabilitation. If it takes a soft bed and a TV, so be it. You really believe a man who willingly killed 77 people is capable of actually being rehabilitated? Norway is a funny country it seems. If principles like all people are equal to the law, and all people are to be treated equally with equal chanses makes a country funny. Then i will be laughing along sir! What does this have to do with the principle of equality? Obviously everyone is equal with regard to the law. But if your law can claim to rehabilitate a man who killed 77 people in cold blood, instead of admitting that he is a very dangerous maniac who is a huge threat to the society and he should be kept in prison as long as he lives, so that he has no chance to do anything harmful anymore, then yes it is nothing but funny. It is just being pussies, I see some people telling me that he will never be considered eligible for release (which he can ask authorities once a year) which is admitting that someone like him won't ever have that chance. So if the institution of life sentence is somewhat already there, then why not put it into the criminal code? Again for the millionth time, putting someone in prison is not just about punishing him, it's about preventing him to commit further crimes and hurt the society again. Would you please stop talking bad about the norweigian system of law? Their system is almost equal to the one we have in Denmark. And our laws states that every man has the right for a 2nd chance (= no death penalty and no life sentence) so there's a restriction on years a criminal can be locked up. However, in special cases - like this one - you can use a special rule. This does not sentence him to spending his entire life in prison. But most likely he'll be locked up with little to no chance of ever getting out. This is normally only used on socio- and psychopaths. And the system has nothing to do with you calling the norweigians (judges? people?) "pussies". Please, this is no place for that language. You've got every right to have your opinions. But there's no reason to badmouth anyone. I think a lot of the modern-age compassion towards mass murderers has to do with the fact that they now leave in very distant area and so we can "forget about them". Imagine if you lived in a very small town and that the prison was at the center of the village, or more realistically if there was a clear and specific tax to feed, offer medical care, and guard, child rapist and mass murderers ... I bet a lot of the people rejecting the death penalty as barbaric would refuse to pay it. You know that death penalty costs the state more than lifelong prison. There's a wide variety of execution methods, and some of them are 1000 times cheaper than lifelong prison trust me. It's not about the execution. It's about the correct juidical process needed which is longer and more expensive.
I was just about to post this...
bullet = <1$
procedural costs and appeals cost millions.
so lifetime imprisonment is cheaper. there have been research that states it.
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On April 21 2012 22:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 22:26 Miyoshino wrote:On April 21 2012 22:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On April 21 2012 22:07 Undrass wrote:On April 21 2012 22:01 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I just can't agree with the decision of giving this guy a platform for his message to reach out to millions of people via television. That's what he wanted and that's what he got. What? he is revealed to be a clown. he is basically destroying himself and his message. What in the world? For any sensible person he was revealed to be something much worse than a clown on 22 July 2012. For random idiots who found him inspiring when the massacre just had happened, it's not like they're suddenly going to realize he's a clown now. He is inspiring no one. That's the point. And Breivik is slowly being forced to realize that, along with many other things that contradict his delusions. Undrass is Norwegian and because of his local media he knows much much more about this case than you do. It's embarrassing to see. My father was like "How pissed off must all those parents be to see the killer of their children get a fair trial." when in fact all those people feel very proud about the way they carry out this trial. And rightly so. That's what you get when you don't know the facts and just blurt out something based on your own gut feeling, unguided and unrestrained by a sophisticated moral compass. I'm Swedish and have full access to the televised trial as well as all other media coverage. I guess you assume I'm American just because I'm a bit critic of this part of the trial. I'm not talking about not allowing him a fair trial, that Norwegians are "pussies" for not giving him the death penalty or the Norwegian criminal system is too soft. The only embarrassment here is you lumping me together with others for no reason, kind of like how Breivik does.
I guess you haven't been watching the news. He is basically speaking nonsense, and has several times been factually wrong. Anyone who watches are being convinced that Breivik is actually a bumbling fool that is living in his own world, not a cold, intellectual killer with a message.
He could not even get very simple, well-known facts right, for example which party is ruling Oslo atm.
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