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Please stop posting that he shouldn't have invited her into his bed since that's apparently not what happened... read the OP and links BEFORE commenting. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
It's stated that the man in question sleeps in the nude. So the 16-year-old girl voluntarily climbed into bed with a naked 40-year-old man? And full-blown intercourse supposedly occurred, even though the man's past lovers suggest he only groped them? Something in that story is really off. And also, if we had a gender flip, how would people view this? If a 16-year-old boy climbed into bed with a naked, sleeping sexsomiac woman, would anyone bat an eye when she's found not guilty? | ||
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Healingpr00f
Sweden6 Posts
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:06 Healingpr00f wrote: I feel like this is really dumb. I dont think you can rape someone and then blame it on a some illness. If i murder someone and then say "oh.. er... i dont remember anything. also, i have murdermania" and my relatives says i often murder people without remembering, should I go free then? He should have the EXACT same punishment as anyone else raping a 16year old girl. Because in most civilized countries, you aren't given the maximum punishment just because you did something, but also because you must have had the criminal state of mind when performing the illegal act. Why should someone who goes around intentionally raping women because he enjoys it, be treated the same as some college student who mistakenly believed the woman wanted to have sex? Also, raising the defense of insanity is not a 'get out of jail free' card. It never has been and will not be one in the future. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:06 Healingpr00f wrote: I feel like this is really dumb. I dont think you can rape someone and then blame it on a some illness. If i murder someone and then say "oh.. er... i dont remember anything. also, i have murdermania" and my relatives says i often murder people without remembering, should I go free then? He should have the EXACT same punishment as anyone else raping a 16year old girl. I feel like you are really dumb, or at least incapable of reading comprehension. The guy in question has a confirmed medical illness that is impossible to control and does not ordinarily cause any problems. At most he should be required to share a bed only with intimate partners and never with underage children. If by contrast you killed someone in your sleep, you would also be found not guilty, but it is likely that the court would require you to obtain treatment and take other preventative measures to avoid a recurrence in the future. And that's only if you actually had some sort of condition; it's virtually impossible to fool medical professionals who would monitor your brain wave activity in a sleep clinic to check for it. | ||
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
why woulda 16 yr old girl get in a 43 yr old mans bed if she didnt want it? how is that enough evidence in itself to clear the man of rape. | ||
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rbx270j
Canada540 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:06 Healingpr00f wrote: I feel like this is really dumb. I dont think you can rape someone and then blame it on a some illness. If i murder someone and then say "oh.. er... i dont remember anything. also, i have murdermania" and my relatives says i often murder people without remembering, should I go free then? He should have the EXACT same punishment as anyone else raping a 16year old girl. You are wrong about two things. Firstly he didn't make it up, it's a real illness. Secondly, there is such thing as what you described as "murdermania", and we don't punish them. They are treated in a mental institution and if they are cured, they get placed back into society. | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
On July 06 2011 09:35 applejuice wrote: bro, there's this condition called sleepwalking too. Walking requires quite a bit of coordination. Probably more than sex. Sleep conditions like this are well documented ..some of you are foolish. Sure, any logical person can see there's a possibility he is guilty as fuck. But there's no court that is going to convict him... Some sleep walkers can perform very complex activities. Yeah this is what I was thinking of, some people have been known to even drive in their sleep and not remember a thing, there was also this intriguing documentary about how people have even murdered other people while asleep. It's very unfortunate for the girl, but it's well within the realm of possibility that he's telling the truth. | ||
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Zedromas
Canada112 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:17 MozzarellaL wrote: Just like the Casey Anthony case, this seems to yet again be a case of an overzealous prosecutor trying to make a career for himself by attempting to get the baddest crime in the book on a guy who is at best only guilty of a lesser crime. ............................................................... W T F............................................................. Sex without consent is AT BEST a lesser crime? WTF are u smoking?? If this logic were true then every prison in the world would be empty. Go look at a picture of this 43 yr old sleep rapist (Or whatever u wanna call him) and you'll see for yourself how big of a douche bag he is. He looks like the guy at the park that you tell your kids to stay away from. Someone, PLEASE, explain to me why so many people on TL are jumping to this slime bucket's defense? I've read many posts (Like Jinro's) proclaiming that sleep-walking is some sort of terrible affliction that deserves some sort of exception in the law. He fucked a 16 year old girl without her consent. I don't care if he was sleepwalking, drunk, high on mescaline or heroin, half-concious, semi-concious; this guy needs to be punished, and severely. Age of consent be damned........that debate will rage on for another 150 years. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:12 sunprince wrote: I feel like you are really dumb, or at least incapable of reading comprehension. The guy in question has a confirmed medical illness that is impossible to control and does not ordinarily cause any problems. At most he should be required to share a bed only with intimate partners and never with underage children. If by contrast you killed someone in your sleep, you would also be found not guilty, but it is likely that the court would require you to obtain treatment and take other preventative measures to avoid a recurrence in the future. And that's only if you actually had some sort of condition; it's virtually impossible to fool medical professionals who would monitor your brain wave activity in a sleep clinic to check for it. His first post on Tl was that? Gotta be a troll or just plain dumb. | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:52 Zedromas wrote: ............................................................... W T F............................................................. Sex without consent is AT BEST a lesser crime? WTF are u smoking?? If this logic were true then every prison in the world would be empty. Go look at a picture of this 43 yr old sleep rapist (Or whatever u wanna call him) and you'll see for yourself how big of a douche bag he is. He looks like the guy at the park that you tell your kids to stay away from. Someone, PLEASE, explain to me why so many people on TL are jumping to this slime bucket's defense? I've read many posts (Like Jinro's) proclaiming that sleep-walking is some sort of terrible affliction that deserves some sort of exception in the law. He fucked a 16 year old girl without her consent. I don't care if he was sleepwalking, drunk, high on mescaline or heroin, half-concious, semi-concious; this guy needs to be punished, and severely. Age of consent be damned........that debate will rage on for another 150 years. hey, let's throw somebody in prison for something they had completely no control over | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
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RunningInSquares
United States215 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01937/Stephen-Davies_1937961c.jpg) almost looks like a pedo. =P | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:52 Zedromas wrote: ............................................................... W T F............................................................. Sex without consent is AT BEST a lesser crime? WTF are u smoking?? If this logic were true then every prison in the world would be empty. Go look at a picture of this 43 yr old sleep rapist (Or whatever u wanna call him) and you'll see for yourself how big of a douche bag he is. He looks like the guy at the park that you tell your kids to stay away from. Someone, PLEASE, explain to me why so many people on TL are jumping to this slime bucket's defense? I've read many posts (Like Jinro's) proclaiming that sleep-walking is some sort of terrible affliction that deserves some sort of exception in the law. He fucked a 16 year old girl without her consent. I don't care if he was sleepwalking, drunk, high on mescaline or heroin, half-concious, semi-concious; this guy needs to be punished, and severely. Age of consent be damned........that debate will rage on for another 150 years. So your argument can be summed up as: 1. Look at him, he looks like a douche. Therefore he is a douche. Therefore he should be convicted for rape 2. The guy had no control over what he did, but that doesnt matter. He should be convicted just like other people who actually commit crimes with malice and intent I want to get some clarification from you. So youre saying that because this girl was raped, nothing else matters right? You say, "I don't care if he was sleepwalking, drunk, high on mescaline or heroin, half-concious, semi-concious; this guy needs to be punished, and severely." This means you acknowledge that he was sleepwalking but you dont care about his lack of control of the situation. This implies that it is of your opinion that people who accidentally commit crimes should be punished as harshly as people who purposefully do. So the guy who doesnt see the motorcyclist in his blind spot and runs him over while switching lanes should get life in prison right? Murderers get life in prison, you dont care about the circumstances and a guy was killed so the driver should also get convicted for murder right? The only difference between that example and the sexsomnia case is that the person driving the car has complete control over his actions while the 43-year old man in this rape case had absolutely no control or consciousness. If you wanted to argue that he was lying, that might actually be a proper way to approach the prosecution instead of arguing against a complete legitimate medical condition. Even if you did that, do you think that the court didnt go through professionals and experts before coming to a decision? | ||
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TranceKuja
United States154 Posts
On July 06 2011 10:52 Zedromas wrote: ............................................................... W T F............................................................. Sex without consent is AT BEST a lesser crime? WTF are u smoking?? If this logic were true then every prison in the world would be empty. Go look at a picture of this 43 yr old sleep rapist (Or whatever u wanna call him) and you'll see for yourself how big of a douche bag he is. He looks like the guy at the park that you tell your kids to stay away from. Someone, PLEASE, explain to me why so many people on TL are jumping to this slime bucket's defense? I've read many posts (Like Jinro's) proclaiming that sleep-walking is some sort of terrible affliction that deserves some sort of exception in the law. He fucked a 16 year old girl without her consent. I don't care if he was sleepwalking, drunk, high on mescaline or heroin, half-concious, semi-concious; this guy needs to be punished, and severely. Age of consent be damned........that debate will rage on for another 150 years. There defending him because unlike you they actually bothered to read the OP. Even if you didn't read the OP there's a message at the top of the page. I guess you don't have time to read about the facts so you just look at a picture and pass judgement. WTF are you smoking? | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
Think of it as advanced sleep walking. The moral of the story is don't share a bed with someone you don't want sexual relations with. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On July 06 2011 11:04 Supamang wrote: Wow, twice in one fucking thread. This is starting to piss me off enough that I dont want to retype a response. Instead, Im just gonna quote myself from 1 fucking page ago This guy sunprince made perfectly logical statements. You fucking just jump straight to "UR A TROLL." stop being a fucking hypocrite If you would stop your rage and actually read: Nikj agreed with Sunprince. Nikj calls Healingpr00f a troll or just plain stupid. Nikj does so (I guess) due to the below explained reason: What Healingpr00f wrote has been said like 10 times before in this thread, the first times people actually responded properly to it, but by now it is getting so blatant that people jump to the logical conclusion that 1) he didn't bother reading neither the OP and the articles nor the thread or 2) that he is in fact trolling... Due to the white box at the top of this thread, option 2 actually seems the most logical of the 2 options. | ||
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