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Please stop posting that he shouldn't have invited her into his bed since that's apparently not what happened... read the OP and links BEFORE commenting. | ||
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Eleaven
772 Posts
If she woke up within 2 seconds of him getting the tip in, and runs away screaming that makes SOME (not much) sense, but the article paints the illusion that she woke up during full blown intercourse. The condition is real enough but im still baffled by the logistics of this after like 8 hours of thinking.. and.. media.. please.. get the facts before going to print  | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
And some people don't wake as easily. I've said this numerous times before that not everyone wakes up at the slightest touch, so there is nothing strange about the fact that she accordingly woke during full blown intercourse. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:11 Irrelevant wrote: I suffer from this condition as well, and honestly you don't remember anything, you go to sleep, you wake up and hear stories in the morning from wife/girlfriends about having sex the night before, not just crawl on top humping but full out hours long drawn out kinky sex and you don't even believe them the first few times. Worst kind of sex. "Are you serious? We haven't had sex in weeks and when we finally do, I don't remember one bit of it?" | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:11 Irrelevant wrote: I suffer from this condition as well, and honestly you don't remember anything, you go to sleep, you wake up and hear stories in the morning from wife/girlfriends about having sex the night before, not just crawl on top humping but full out hours long drawn out kinky sex and you don't even believe them the first few times. The best sex you ever had and you don't even remember it. T_T. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
That's just how I was raised I guess. A lot of this story doesn't make sense. Was he restraining her during his "sleepwalk sex"? How did she not manage to get out of the situation when she regained consciousness? I can't help but think the 40+ year old man is a pervert and got away with rape. Even if it was an "accident of sub-consciousness", then lets at least recognize the man has a crazy and untrustworthy subconscious, and maybe the court should put a restraining order on letting children (16 year-olds are children when it comes to emotional and mental maturity) sleep in his house. Could be a safe idea. Also if your country has no laws against 40 year-old men sleeping with 16 year-olds, well, that's kind of insane, and your country needs to change that ASAP. | ||
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Eleaven
772 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:18 SolHeiM wrote: The girl doesn't need to be wet for you to be able to push it in there. You think actual rape victims get "sopping wet" when they are being raped? And some people don't wake as easily. I've said this numerous times before that not everyone wakes up at the slightest touch, so there is nothing strange about the fact that she accordingly woke during full blown intercourse. No, a legit rapist would use artificial lubricant, or spit usually(or the blood). As to your comment on it being "not strange" you seem to have disassociated from your previous sentence, you know she is dry, you know it takes a lot of force. We're not discussing the "slightest touch" waking someone up or not.. this is the discussion on how a 43 year old males erect penis ends up inside a dry 16 year old vagina. That's going to require an unreasonable amount of force. Thus the strangeness. Even if conditions were perfect, it takes a fair amount of positioning, movement and force to get a limp sleeping body into a required position 0_o. "nothing strange" indeed. Im not suggesting any blame onto anybody, but these conditions SURELY are strange, i mean if this isn't fucking strange, what is? | ||
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Eleaven
772 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:37 Leporello wrote: Sorry, I don't think it's ever appropriate to let a 16 year old girl (because she is a GIRL) and a 40+ year old man sleep in the same bed - doesn't matter how big the bed is. Even sleeping in the same room is borderline inappropriate unless they're relatives. That's just how I was raised I guess. A lot of this story doesn't make sense. Was he restraining her during his "sleepwalk sex"? How did she not manage to get out of the situation when she regained consciousness? I can't help but think the 40+ year old man is a pervert and got away with rape. Even if it was an "accident of sub-consciousness", then lets at least recognize the man has a crazy and untrustworthy subconscious, and maybe the court should put a restraining order on letting children (16 year-olds are children when it comes to emotional and mental maturity) sleep in his house. Could be a safe idea. Also if your country has no laws against 40 year-old men sleeping with 16 year-olds, well, that's kind of insane, and your country needs to change that ASAP. 16 is the age of consent in a lot of countries. Biologically/reproductively nothing really changes in females between 16-17-18. Infact, the vast majority of the world considers 16 to be the age of consent, the next majority considers 14-15 to be the age, and only a very small percent consider it to be higher (18) like your country. source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Age_of_Consent.png | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:45 Eleaven wrote: No, a legit rapist would use artificial lubricant, or spit usually(or the blood). As to your comment on it being "not strange" you seem to have disassociated from your previous sentence, you know she is dry, you know it takes a lot of force. We're not discussing the "slightest touch" waking someone up or not.. this is the discussion on how a 43 year old males erect penis ends up inside a dry 16 year old vagina. That's going to require an unreasonable amount of force. Thus the strangeness. Even if conditions were perfect, it takes a fair amount of positioning, movement and force to get a limp sleeping body into a required position 0_o. "nothing strange" indeed. Im not suggesting any blame onto anybody, but these conditions SURELY are strange, i mean if this isn't fucking strange, what is? In Canada a sexomniac put on a condom before sex, and was found to have been unconscious during the act, so the lack of lube thing isn't necessarily valid because, for all we know, he did use lube. And we don't know what the position was either. Posturing for missionary position might be difficult, but maybe that isn't what happened. | ||
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Eleaven
772 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:50 Gnial wrote: In Canada a sexomniac put on a condom before sex, and was found to have been unconscious during the act, so the lack of lube thing isn't necessarily valid because, for all we know, he did use lube. And we don't know what the position was either. Posturing for missionary position might be difficult, but maybe that isn't what happened. Which is why i stay steadfast in wishing shit like this either just wasn't reported.. or reported with some of the important facts.. but i guess if the facts were there there'd be no discussion and less hits on news sites.. Meh. This is why i stay out of tl general i guess (and the news in general.. its just full of shit and half truths at best) | ||
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Crossed9
50 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:11 Eleaven wrote: still not sure how he got her into position.. :O and unless she was sopping wet already how did he even penetrate.. I wish things like this either just weren't reported on, or if they are reported give the facts and details. If she woke up within 2 seconds of him getting the tip in, and runs away screaming that makes SOME (not much) sense, but the article paints the illusion that she woke up during full blown intercourse. The condition is real enough but im still baffled by the logistics of this after like 8 hours of thinking.. and.. media.. please.. get the facts before going to print Technically it's rape no matter if it's a few seconds or a couple of hours. I fail to see your point. On July 06 2011 05:54 Eleaven wrote: Which is why i stay steadfast in wishing shit like this either just wasn't reported.. or reported with some of the important facts.. but i guess if the facts were there there'd be no discussion and less hits on news sites.. Meh. This is why i stay out of tl general i guess (and the news in general.. its just full of shit and half truths at best) Yeah, lets just ignore every victim out there and print every single detail of a crime (or not write anything about it). Great idea... | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:57 Crossed9 wrote: Sexsomnia? Now that sounds like a pretty cool disease. Double edged sword, my friend. | ||
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Baeras
United States140 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:49 Eleaven wrote: Biologically/reproductively nothing really changes in females between 16-17-18. Consent has nothing to do with biological or reproductive maturity. Yes, 16 year-olds are biologically capable of sex. Some might even argue that a girl is fully capable of a sexual relationship by the time she's TWELVE, biologically speaking. Fully. It's about maturity of the MIND. In the States, we recognize that 16 year-olds, as a general whole, don't have nearly enough life-experience to be making life-changing decisions. And it's true. I was 16 once. And I was just smart and mature enough to think I knew what I was doing, but then you REALLY grow up and realize that you were actually an idiot. | ||
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EtohEtoh
Canada669 Posts
On July 06 2011 05:45 Eleaven wrote: No, a legit rapist would use artificial lubricant, or spit usually(or the blood). As to your comment on it being "not strange" you seem to have disassociated from your previous sentence, you know she is dry, you know it takes a lot of force. We're not discussing the "slightest touch" waking someone up or not.. this is the discussion on how a 43 year old males erect penis ends up inside a dry 16 year old vagina. That's going to require an unreasonable amount of force. Thus the strangeness. Even if conditions were perfect, it takes a fair amount of positioning, movement and force to get a limp sleeping body into a required position 0_o. "nothing strange" indeed. Im not suggesting any blame onto anybody, but these conditions SURELY are strange, i mean if this isn't fucking strange, what is? people have done far stranger in their sleep, like driving cars, and cooking food. even the simple act of getting to your feet in your sleep is pretty difficult when you think about it. | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
That's either the single most tragic or most hilarious thing I've heard in a while. | ||
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
yea yea was referring to the sleep rape, sorry for not being more clear | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:03 Leporello wrote: Consent has nothing to do with biological or reproductive maturity. Yes, 16 year-olds are biologically capable of sex. Some might even argue that a girl is fully capable of a sexual relationship by the time she's TWELVE, biologically speaking. Fully. It's about maturity of the MIND. In the States, we recognize that 16 year-olds, as a general whole, don't have nearly enough life-experience to be making life-changing decisions. And it's true. I was 16 once. And I was just smart and mature enough to think I knew what I was doing, but then you REALLY grow up and realize that you were actually an idiot. Yet in the states you also think 16 year-olds are mature enough to drive a car, which can lead not only to their own death, but also that of other motorists/cyclists/pedestrians. A 16 year old is also in most countries old enough (in a lot of countries 14 years is the limit) to be charged as an adult within the criminal system. So until you've sorted out your own countries morally inconsistent laws, perhaps you would refrain from commenting on other countries laws? Because you really haven't got any sort of moral highground. | ||
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