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On June 30 2011 15:47 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:41 OsoVega wrote:On June 30 2011 15:32 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 15:23 Gheed wrote:On June 30 2011 15:20 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 15:12 nemo14 wrote:On June 30 2011 14:55 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 14:44 nemo14 wrote:On June 30 2011 14:26 MozzarellaL wrote:On June 30 2011 14:22 Hekisui wrote:
This is where proportionality applies. You can't irrationally assume a person is out to kill or rape you. If a person is deemed a threat, you can respond in a certain manner. If a person is violent, you can respond with violence.
Burglars are almost never armed. So how is killing unarmed people with lethal weapons proportional?
Tell me what is irrational about assuming an intruder into your home is there to kill or rape you when it's the middle of the night. I'm really interested in knowing your reasoning. I would not confront any intruder with anything less than deadly force. It's either that, or I hide in a closet and call the police. there is no middle ground, because you don't know, in fact, it is impossible to know, without putting yourself in grave danger, what the intruder is carrying or intends to do. Exactly. What is the homeowner supposed to do, turn the lights on and ask the intruder what his intentions are and whether he has any weapons? When it's two in the morning and a stranger is creeping through your house, it is time to shoot first and ask questions later. No law should restrict a person's right to defend their last place of refuge. What about incapacitating the intruder? Are the only options for you hide or kill? Is there nothing in between? Just give him a nice little smack with a frying pan or whatever blunt object you have ready and then call the police and the ambulance. Deadly force should always be the last option after every other option fails and someone who considers it his first and only option and a natural right needs some psychological assistance imho. Have you ever tried to "incapacitate" someone? It is a hell of a lot less reliable than the movies make it look. A gun, however, requires considerably less finesse/luck to remove a threat from the equation. Yes, but that potential thread has a high chance of being dead after that. Well, maybe it's really the country as the poster before you suggests, but i would never, ever use force that has the potential of being deadly. When in doubt, i'd rather die and let the murderer rot in prison later than risk killing someone who never was a threat in the first place. You'd rather die then kill someone that was trying to kill you? That's some pretty hardcore turning of the other cheek. Do you have kids? Family? People who like you? I'm pretty sure they'd value your life more than that of some asshole burglar. If i'd kill someone only to later find out that he never was a threat (i.e. was unarmed), i couldn't live with it anyways and probably end up killing myself because of that. Unless the person is actively shooting at me or trying to stab me (in which case i'd probably already be dead), deadly force is not an option for me, no matter who the other person is. Criminals don't just become criminals because they are born evil, they have a life too. Some of them even have a wife and children. Their life is in no way worth less than mine just because they got on the wrong path somewhere. There are lots of options to scare intruders away or incapacitate them. What if someone was holding a fake gun to your family. Would you feel bad over killing them? That is no different than someone who breaks into your house. They are putting themselves into a threatening position in which they have the potential to kill and it is not up to you to take the risk of assuming that they don't. The typical strawman argument... No, i still wouldn't use deadly force. Anyways, that situation is totally unrelated to this thread as a burglary usually doesn't turn into an hostage situation. If it does, give him what he wants and later call the police and get your stuff back and that guy into prison. If your property is worth more than a human life, your priorities are really messed up.
I've never talked about property. I don't get how you get that from my posts. I think I've made it very clear that I am not willing to take the risk that the person who has chosen to put themselves in a threatening position against me and my family, is not intending to kill. I'm talking about human lives and the human lives that matter most in the situation of a burglary are mine and my family. I'm not going to risk those lives on the chance that the person who is putting themselves in a threatening position isn't intending to harm or kill. Burglar is simply someone who is breaking into your house to commit a felony, maybe that is why you are misunderstanding me.
Also, I never said a burglary would turn into a hostage situation. I only described a separate situation that is morally identical but clearer. It is not even a hostage situation. It is a person who may simply be intending to kill your family with a gun that you don't know is real or fake. In both cases the person may or may not be intending to kill, may or may not be armed (the gun may be fake) and they are putting themselves in a threatening position. Yes, you could risk it and hope that they are only after possessions but there is no reason for you to take that risk if you don't have to.
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On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off.
Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution.
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On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution.
If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis.
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Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:33 vetinari wrote:On June 30 2011 15:29 teekesselchen wrote:
With no doubt it is for almost every person a very scary situation to meet a burglar in their home. But I think that generally legalising to go as far as stabbing them goes too far.
Let's just take a totally extreme example: A professional heavy weight martial artist catches two young kids (who don't even match his weight combined) in his house and stabs them. Seriously necessary?
I don't mean to say that this was a normal case, but there have to be exeptions to still punish exceeded self defense. The nice thing about blades and guns, is that they, in whole or in part, negate size and skill differences... Not really. They magnify skill difference. But it always gives the underdog a chance, even if the other person is far more skilled. If I went hand to hand with Travis Haley he would win 100% of the time. If we went with guns, i would have 1 chance out of 10,000.
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I was refering to one person being armed, and the other unarmed. A 5 year old with a hand gun, and all that.
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On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution.
I would definitely attempt to harm, though not kill (unless the situation escallated to that level) anyone attempting to take my property.
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On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis.
It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight.
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On June 30 2011 16:03 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:47 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 15:41 OsoVega wrote:On June 30 2011 15:32 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 15:23 Gheed wrote:On June 30 2011 15:20 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 15:12 nemo14 wrote:On June 30 2011 14:55 Morfildur wrote:On June 30 2011 14:44 nemo14 wrote:On June 30 2011 14:26 MozzarellaL wrote:
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Tell me what is irrational about assuming an intruder into your home is there to kill or rape you when it's the middle of the night. I'm really interested in knowing your reasoning. I would not confront any intruder with anything less than deadly force. It's either that, or I hide in a closet and call the police. there is no middle ground, because you don't know, in fact, it is impossible to know, without putting yourself in grave danger, what the intruder is carrying or intends to do. Exactly. What is the homeowner supposed to do, turn the lights on and ask the intruder what his intentions are and whether he has any weapons? When it's two in the morning and a stranger is creeping through your house, it is time to shoot first and ask questions later. No law should restrict a person's right to defend their last place of refuge. What about incapacitating the intruder? Are the only options for you hide or kill? Is there nothing in between? Just give him a nice little smack with a frying pan or whatever blunt object you have ready and then call the police and the ambulance. Deadly force should always be the last option after every other option fails and someone who considers it his first and only option and a natural right needs some psychological assistance imho. Have you ever tried to "incapacitate" someone? It is a hell of a lot less reliable than the movies make it look. A gun, however, requires considerably less finesse/luck to remove a threat from the equation. Yes, but that potential thread has a high chance of being dead after that. Well, maybe it's really the country as the poster before you suggests, but i would never, ever use force that has the potential of being deadly. When in doubt, i'd rather die and let the murderer rot in prison later than risk killing someone who never was a threat in the first place. You'd rather die then kill someone that was trying to kill you? That's some pretty hardcore turning of the other cheek. Do you have kids? Family? People who like you? I'm pretty sure they'd value your life more than that of some asshole burglar. If i'd kill someone only to later find out that he never was a threat (i.e. was unarmed), i couldn't live with it anyways and probably end up killing myself because of that. Unless the person is actively shooting at me or trying to stab me (in which case i'd probably already be dead), deadly force is not an option for me, no matter who the other person is. Criminals don't just become criminals because they are born evil, they have a life too. Some of them even have a wife and children. Their life is in no way worth less than mine just because they got on the wrong path somewhere. There are lots of options to scare intruders away or incapacitate them. What if someone was holding a fake gun to your family. Would you feel bad over killing them? That is no different than someone who breaks into your house. They are putting themselves into a threatening position in which they have the potential to kill and it is not up to you to take the risk of assuming that they don't. The typical strawman argument... No, i still wouldn't use deadly force. Anyways, that situation is totally unrelated to this thread as a burglary usually doesn't turn into an hostage situation. If it does, give him what he wants and later call the police and get your stuff back and that guy into prison. If your property is worth more than a human life, your priorities are really messed up. I've never talked about property. I don't get how you get that from my posts. I think I've made it very clear that I am not willing to take the risk that the person who has chosen to put themselves in a threatening position against me and my family, is not intending to kill. I'm talking about human lives and the human lives that matter most in the situation of a burglary are mine and my family. I'm not going to risk those lives on the chance that the person who is putting themselves in a threatening position isn't intending to harm or kill. Burglar is simply someone who is breaking into your house to commit a felony, maybe that is why you are misunderstanding me. Also, I never said a burglary would turn into a hostage situation. I only described a separate situation that is morally identical but clearer. It is not even a hostage situation. It is a person who may simply be intending to kill your family with a gun that you don't know is real or fake. In both cases the person may or may not be intending to kill, may or may not be armed (the gun may be fake) and they are putting themselves in a threatening position. Yes, you could risk it and hope that they are only after possessions but there is no reason for you to take that risk if you don't have to.
If he would intend to kill, he wouldn't hold a gun to the head but simply shoot. If he holds a gun to the head he doesn't intead to kill but instead wants something else, usually your property.
I guess that about 1 in 1000 (if not less) burglaries happen because the intruder wants to kill, so assuming that every burglar wants to kill you is simply wrong.
Well, maybe there is just less violence in germany so we are not as scared as you are.
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On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight.
and what's more scary than being shot at with a firearm, or being stabbed?
there are quite a few things but none are realistic.
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On June 30 2011 16:01 dogabutila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 15:16 OsoVega wrote:On June 30 2011 15:05 exog wrote:
Ive thought a bit about house defence. I think knife is a bad option because if you bring it to a chaotic fight in darkness with a stranger it is very possible to have two unfavourable outcomes:
1. He takes the knife and kills you/hurt you bad.
2. You kill him when he stole a bread and go to prison for using excessive force. (A bit dumb example for this thread, but a relevant point in basically every civilized country).
Gun also has many disadvantages, with bullets hurting others through the walls, also see point 2 above. Guns and knives have little "in-between" options, maim or kill is basically random with a stab/shot.
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I concluded that some form of metal-club should be the best, where you can maintain distance, but be able to bash him bad without killing him. Buckshot generally, won't penetrate a wall but it depends. I would not use FMJ pistol rounds, rifle rounds or slugs to defend my home. You should also train yourself never to shoot without being completely aware of your target and what's behind it, even in stressful situations. Guns do have an in between, the sound of a round being racked into the chamber and your voice. If they aren't running at that point, it is foolish not to shoot to kill them. To me, not killing the person is hardly a concern when my life may be in imminent danger as he is the one who chose to put himself in a threatening position and it is not up to me to take the risk. Your scenario with a bat has an unfavorable outcome too. 1. He kills you. Are we talking about standard fare drywall? Buckshot will go through 6 normal sized sheets easily. If it won't go though drywall it probably shouldnt be relied on to stop a person....
#6 buck can be relied on to incapacitate and never kill through two sheets of normal dry wall.
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I remeber that there was in Czech republic one case, when a man killed burglar who broke into his farm for like 20th time. He was sentenced to like 10 years. Fortunately, our president removed his sentence, but I mean. This is pretty retarded justice.
I completely support this, UK! 
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Um, I think this can be summarized as some people think victims should be legally obligated to be at the mercy of intruders and others don't.
You could also say some people think victims must risk their lives by being unable to defend themselves with deadly force for the sake of the criminal being safer, others don't think the victim has that obligation.
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On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight.
Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really.
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On June 30 2011 16:28 ComusLoM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight. Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really.
So lets just kill every criminal. I believe that human life still has value even if they make mistakes.
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On June 30 2011 16:36 Usul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:28 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight. Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really. So lets just kill every criminal. I believe that human life still has value even if they make mistakes.
So virtuous. I wonder if you can say the same thing after some really horrible shit happens to you, or worse, your family/spouse/partner.
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On June 30 2011 16:28 ComusLoM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight. Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really.
I have neighbors in my house all the time, the potential circumstances are numerous. I'm going to be damn sure before I let lead fly.
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On June 30 2011 16:52 poorbeggarman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:36 Usul wrote:On June 30 2011 16:28 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight. Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really. So lets just kill every criminal. I believe that human life still has value even if they make mistakes. So virtuous. I wonder if you can say the same thing after some really horrible shit happens to you, or worse, your family/spouse/partner.
Like if my cousin was a burglar who got shot?
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Glad to see this.
I knew that "too-big-to-be-practical" £60 butcher knife I have would become useful 1 day...
On a more serious note, this is great as a prevention. Now the fucking chavs will think twice before breaking into a house.
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On June 30 2011 16:54 Usul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 16:52 poorbeggarman wrote:On June 30 2011 16:36 Usul wrote:On June 30 2011 16:28 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:17 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 16:07 ComusLoM wrote:On June 30 2011 16:03 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On June 30 2011 15:54 Usul wrote:
Wow, its sad to see how few people here value human life. Or think that killing is the appropiate answer for stealing. Yes, stealing is wrong, but stabbing is way off. Woa, no one here would just randomly stab someone robbing their house. All this has to do with is the law acknowledging someone's right to defend themselves. If my house was being burglarized I would confront the criminal with a gun. Not with the intention of shooting them though. I would bring it for intimidation, and for my safety just in case they are hostile. In %99 percent of cases they will just run off. But if they turn out to be dangerous, and I feel compelled to defend myself, Its nice to know I will be safe from prosecution. If there was an intruder in my house and I had access to a firearm I would shoot him regardless of how threatening he was. Burglaries are terrifying violating experiences regardless of whether you're at home or not. They deserve to die and should be shot on sight. Imagine if people knew they had the right to do that in Britain, we would never have had to endure Oasis. It just seems like that's how you end up shooting a neighbor, or a family member getting a late night snack. Besides, most burglars are just punk kids who need a good scare to set them straight. Why would a neighbour be in my house? And you can't commit more crime if you're dead so it's a win win really. So lets just kill every criminal. I believe that human life still has value even if they make mistakes. So virtuous. I wonder if you can say the same thing after some really horrible shit happens to you, or worse, your family/spouse/partner. You like if my cousin was a burglar who got shot?
I don't quite understand your sentence, but i mean like a burglar/burglars breaking into your home, steal stuff and rape the female(or even male, lol) members of your family/spouse/partner, right in front of you, taunting you while they do it; will you still believe they just made a "mistake"?
I suppose its no good asking you now, coz you'll just give some sweet, disney-like reply in your comfortable state in front of the pc.
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On June 30 2011 12:05 coZen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 12:01 Arishok wrote:
In the US it is legal to shoot intruders un-invited on our property if they are deemed a threat, AFAIK
Personally if someone broke into my house I wouldn't get close enough to them to use a knife, regardless of what was legal or not. no it is not. you are only allowed to use equal force that they are using upon you. If they pull out a gun, then you are allowed to open fire. I wouldnt want to be on your property on accident!
Wrong. Most states have castle laws, that mean you do not have to use proportionate force if you believe your life and/or property is at risk.
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Looks like every american TeamLiquidan owns a gun!
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