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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
May 05 2014 08:09 GMT
#1761
Ok, actually a real question from me for once.

I don't care for going to the gym, and I do virtually no exercise outside of lifting the occasional heavy box once in a while. Sitting is my favorite pastime. However, I wish I were stronger, I've just never had the motivation to get stronger for any reason. I kind of want to now for self-improvement though, but I still don't want to go to the gym. I also see myself with a lot of downtime during this summer either playing video games or watching netflix, depending on if my parents need my help working for them during the summer.

Are push-ups a good way to get stronger? I haven't lifted weights since high-school during physical conditioning class, but I remember the highest I benched was probably a little low for the average person (I believe it was 115). If I set up a schedule of, like, do 30 pushups for every hour I spend playing video games or watching netflix, would I expect to see any increase in strength over the summer or eventually?

Oh yeah, what about planking? I was the best in my class at planking for whatever reason! What exactly does planking help with again, and should I do that too?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Encdalf
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany66 Posts
May 05 2014 08:54 GMT
#1762
It does not matter what you do, what matters most is that you do it. push ups are good, but will only train a few muscles. In the long run you would need to vary the exercises to balance it out. But it won't hurt if you start with only push ups and get yourself to change your habit and build in a small exercise into your daily routine. If you manage to do that (which is the actual hard part) for a couple of weeks, you can start thinking about different exercises.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
May 05 2014 09:13 GMT
#1763
On May 05 2014 17:09 Epishade wrote:
Ok, actually a real question from me for once.

I don't care for going to the gym, and I do virtually no exercise outside of lifting the occasional heavy box once in a while. Sitting is my favorite pastime. However, I wish I were stronger, I've just never had the motivation to get stronger for any reason. I kind of want to now for self-improvement though, but I still don't want to go to the gym. I also see myself with a lot of downtime during this summer either playing video games or watching netflix, depending on if my parents need my help working for them during the summer.

Are push-ups a good way to get stronger? I haven't lifted weights since high-school during physical conditioning class, but I remember the highest I benched was probably a little low for the average person (I believe it was 115). If I set up a schedule of, like, do 30 pushups for every hour I spend playing video games or watching netflix, would I expect to see any increase in strength over the summer or eventually?

Oh yeah, what about planking? I was the best in my class at planking for whatever reason! What exactly does planking help with again, and should I do that too?


Pushups have their limit, but given that you don't want to go to a gym they're solid and will make you stronger, yes. You can do pullups in various places around a house, and dips as well, good, basic upper body movements.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
May 05 2014 09:21 GMT
#1764
On May 05 2014 17:09 Epishade wrote:
Ok, actually a real question from me for once.

I don't care for going to the gym, and I do virtually no exercise outside of lifting the occasional heavy box once in a while. Sitting is my favorite pastime. However, I wish I were stronger, I've just never had the motivation to get stronger for any reason. I kind of want to now for self-improvement though, but I still don't want to go to the gym. I also see myself with a lot of downtime during this summer either playing video games or watching netflix, depending on if my parents need my help working for them during the summer.

Are push-ups a good way to get stronger? I haven't lifted weights since high-school during physical conditioning class, but I remember the highest I benched was probably a little low for the average person (I believe it was 115). If I set up a schedule of, like, do 30 pushups for every hour I spend playing video games or watching netflix, would I expect to see any increase in strength over the summer or eventually?

Oh yeah, what about planking? I was the best in my class at planking for whatever reason! What exactly does planking help with again, and should I do that too?


I would recommend do pushups, and then start to put your feet on elevated surfaces as well while doing pushups, eventually hopefully achieving handstand pushups. Insure you vary your push ups, do some with close grip which work on your triceps more, and also do wide grip pushups which will work your chest more.

Pull ups are very good as well, and doing variations of it like close grip chin ups and wide grip pull ups as well as everything I mentioned in the previous paragraph would hit most muscles in your upper body. Obviously not as perfect as going to the gym with a very structured program where you can stimulate your muscles as you desire, but it will be a significant improvement in your physical ability.

Also, don't just do push ups or planking or something, you'll most likely be wasting your time. Do some research on the internet to find a good work out routine, asking here for the basics is not ideal because it's difficult for us to cover an exact routine for you. Such as how many reps, sets, frequency, which ones, on which day, etc etc.

TLDR: Yes, do push ups.
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xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
May 05 2014 12:14 GMT
#1765
quick question for anyone from Denmark.

how easy is for companies to fire workers?

is really company favorable your labour law?

regards
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
May 05 2014 14:05 GMT
#1766
On May 05 2014 17:09 Epishade wrote:
Ok, actually a real question from me for once.

I don't care for going to the gym, and I do virtually no exercise outside of lifting the occasional heavy box once in a while. Sitting is my favorite pastime. However, I wish I were stronger, I've just never had the motivation to get stronger for any reason. I kind of want to now for self-improvement though, but I still don't want to go to the gym. I also see myself with a lot of downtime during this summer either playing video games or watching netflix, depending on if my parents need my help working for them during the summer.

Are push-ups a good way to get stronger? I haven't lifted weights since high-school during physical conditioning class, but I remember the highest I benched was probably a little low for the average person (I believe it was 115). If I set up a schedule of, like, do 30 pushups for every hour I spend playing video games or watching netflix, would I expect to see any increase in strength over the summer or eventually?

Oh yeah, what about planking? I was the best in my class at planking for whatever reason! What exactly does planking help with again, and should I do that too?


If you do a lot of pushups, you will get better at doing a lot of pushups. If you want to build strength, you generally should be doing exercises in the 1-8 repetition range (or a 8-20 second hold such-as one of the steps of the plache progression). This means you need to be doing exercises where you can either increase the weight or decrease the leverage in order to effectively increase the load. There are options to do strength routines at home with just a pullup bar, but in my opinion it requires more willpower to stick to the specific routine especially because your body will automatically try to compensate when you are getting tired, whereas with lifting weights, you either lift it or you don't (but still keep good form).

Resource for bodyweight training:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/03/the-fundamentals-of-bodyweight-strength-training/

Resource for barbell training:
http://stronglifts.com/5x5/

There are other options for barbell training but all the information is packed nicely onto that page with a good beginner routine so it's better to just link that than to overwhelm with information imo.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
May 05 2014 15:32 GMT
#1767
Why isn't Net Neutrality taught in K-12 education?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 15:33:46
May 05 2014 15:33 GMT
#1768
On May 06 2014 00:32 3FFA wrote:
Why isn't Net Neutrality taught in K-12 education?

Because even the Law itself hasn't figured out how to regard net neutrality.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 05 2014 15:47 GMT
#1769
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 05 2014 16:22 GMT
#1770
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
May 05 2014 16:31 GMT
#1771
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 05 2014 16:46 GMT
#1772
On May 06 2014 01:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.


There are MANY forms of writing. Restricting yourself to just a few of them is like cutting off the non-dominant hand just because you prefer the dominant one.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
May 05 2014 19:47 GMT
#1773
On May 06 2014 01:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.


There are MANY forms of writing. Restricting yourself to just a few of them is like cutting off the non-dominant hand just because you prefer the dominant one.

I'm not even sure what you're argument here is. I was making a reference to Plato's anti-rhetoric dialogue and his many reproaches against sophists, who did not care about truth but about manipulating the crowd. Making people write about subjects they don't care and don't know much about so that they can learn to argue about anything and " present their ideas in a way that even those who hate them can't refute" sounds like learning to write the worst kind of sophistry to me.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 05 2014 20:38 GMT
#1774
On May 05 2014 17:09 Epishade wrote:
Ok, actually a real question from me for once.

I don't care for going to the gym, and I do virtually no exercise outside of lifting the occasional heavy box once in a while. Sitting is my favorite pastime. However, I wish I were stronger, I've just never had the motivation to get stronger for any reason. I kind of want to now for self-improvement though, but I still don't want to go to the gym. I also see myself with a lot of downtime during this summer either playing video games or watching netflix, depending on if my parents need my help working for them during the summer.

Are push-ups a good way to get stronger? I haven't lifted weights since high-school during physical conditioning class, but I remember the highest I benched was probably a little low for the average person (I believe it was 115). If I set up a schedule of, like, do 30 pushups for every hour I spend playing video games or watching netflix, would I expect to see any increase in strength over the summer or eventually?

Oh yeah, what about planking? I was the best in my class at planking for whatever reason! What exactly does planking help with again, and should I do that too?

Planking is for the core. But if you want abs, start with your diet first. Abs are made in the kitchen, not in the gym.

If you really want to get stronger and have no intention of going to the gym, at least get a weight set. You can get a decent one for under $100 and use it for 1-2 years for pretty much any exercise; there's nothing more versatile and useful for strength training than a bar and a set of plates. Even a full year of Planet Fitness's ridiculously low rates for ridiculously low weights comes out to $120 a year.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 05 2014 21:16 GMT
#1775
On May 06 2014 04:47 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.


There are MANY forms of writing. Restricting yourself to just a few of them is like cutting off the non-dominant hand just because you prefer the dominant one.

I'm not even sure what you're argument here is. I was making a reference to Plato's anti-rhetoric dialogue and his many reproaches against sophists, who did not care about truth but about manipulating the crowd. Making people write about subjects they don't care and don't know much about so that they can learn to argue about anything and " present their ideas in a way that even those who hate them can't refute" sounds like learning to write the worst kind of sophistry to me.


Just because one believes what one perceives as true, one knows not truly if his truth is more true than the truth of others. To find truth one must discuss and search by peering and dialectical with the observations and perceived truths of others. Blanking one's self to the opinions of others just because its, as you said, "about subjects they don't care and don't know much about" is more a perversion of truth than anything else in existence.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
May 05 2014 21:30 GMT
#1776
On May 06 2014 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:47 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.


There are MANY forms of writing. Restricting yourself to just a few of them is like cutting off the non-dominant hand just because you prefer the dominant one.

I'm not even sure what you're argument here is. I was making a reference to Plato's anti-rhetoric dialogue and his many reproaches against sophists, who did not care about truth but about manipulating the crowd. Making people write about subjects they don't care and don't know much about so that they can learn to argue about anything and " present their ideas in a way that even those who hate them can't refute" sounds like learning to write the worst kind of sophistry to me.


Just because one believes what one perceives as true, one knows not truly if his truth is more true than the truth of others. To find truth one must discuss and search by peering and dialectical with the observations and perceived truths of others. Blanking one's self to the opinions of others just because its, as you said, "about subjects they don't care and don't know much about" is more a perversion of truth than anything else in existence.

See, you seem to be taking precisely Protagoras' position. On the other hand you completely misunderstand mine. I've never said one should agree with others because they don't know much about it, on the contrary...
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 05 2014 21:34 GMT
#1777
yeah but with math its easier to construct an argument someone can't refuse; and you can also construct other things like bridges and medicine.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 05 2014 21:37 GMT
#1778
On May 06 2014 06:34 ComaDose wrote:
yeah but with math its easier to construct an argument someone can't refuse; and you can also construct other things like bridges and medicine.


Yeah, but with writing and literacy, you can teach your decedents math and build bridges for the rest of human existence.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 05 2014 21:39 GMT
#1779
Anyway, Thieving Magpie since we got away from what I originally said, I never meant that I thought that writing is a waste of time. I enjoy writing and expressing my thoughts. That being said, I find the stuff that I have to write about this year to be dreadfully uninteresting and honestly pretty pointless. I don't see any point in writing about something that I'm not passionate about or want to tell other people about. That's like the purpose of writing -- to convey one's beliefs, ideas, thoughts, and passions. Presenting an argument of some kind happens to be a popular form of writing, but I don't see why writing about any of those topics would be beneficial to the people given the assignment. They don't require evidence or research and, to be completely frank, they're mostly just practice for grammar and describing personal feelings. Seems like it's mostly geared towards prepping us for college applications, but it just seems like a waste of time to write about stuff that I'm not passionate about.

Sorry if you thought that I meant writing is pointless. I do not believe that and enjoy reading and writing immensely.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 05 2014 21:41 GMT
#1780
On May 06 2014 06:30 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 04:47 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:31 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:47 ComaDose wrote:
On May 05 2014 08:23 phar wrote:
Writing is probably the single most (academic) important thing you can learn in high school.

This was definitely calculus for me. Writing is important too tho.


The goal of writing is learning how to both argue ideas, as well as share them, in a way that best disperses and interrogates the knowledge so that the greater whole can partake in the knowledge each individual person accrues. The point of writing classes such as English is to show you how you can present your ideas in a way that even those who hate you can't refute.

When I read that sort of stuff, I feel closer to Plato/Sokrates than ever.
Writing should teach you to think, and I think neither the anglo-saxon essay nor the french dissertation achieve anything close.


There are MANY forms of writing. Restricting yourself to just a few of them is like cutting off the non-dominant hand just because you prefer the dominant one.

I'm not even sure what you're argument here is. I was making a reference to Plato's anti-rhetoric dialogue and his many reproaches against sophists, who did not care about truth but about manipulating the crowd. Making people write about subjects they don't care and don't know much about so that they can learn to argue about anything and " present their ideas in a way that even those who hate them can't refute" sounds like learning to write the worst kind of sophistry to me.


Just because one believes what one perceives as true, one knows not truly if his truth is more true than the truth of others. To find truth one must discuss and search by peering and dialectical with the observations and perceived truths of others. Blanking one's self to the opinions of others just because its, as you said, "about subjects they don't care and don't know much about" is more a perversion of truth than anything else in existence.

See, you seem to be taking precisely Protagoras' position. On the other hand you completely misunderstand mine. I've never said one should agree with others because they don't know much about it, on the contrary...


The point of good argumentation and good discourse is knowing how to communicate. The rules of communication remains the same whether you write about things you care about or things you don't care about. The only way to know how to communicate well is to practice to write. In which case, it doesn't matter whether you're writing about things you care about, or things you don't care about.

Being against the practice and learning of rhetoric is being against the practice of communication and discourse. You should always be willing to talk about things you don't care about since that is the only way to learn and push forward things that matter.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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