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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-13 16:51:30
November 13 2019 16:35 GMT
#14921
On November 14 2019 01:08 Harris1st wrote:
So it is better again to do less charge cycles? I know this was the case with old batteries.
But with more recent batteries, I remember reading that it's better for batteries to be full'ish all the time in the long term. That's why I charge my phone even when it's at 60-70%


Most more modern devices (certainly phones, unless you keep trying to boot with a dead battery) prevent you from overdrawing/charging so from what I know you'll get the same amount of overall energy out of the battery regardless of charging patterns. The exception being that staying plugged in while at 100% trickles those cycles away (talking weeks/months of charging while already at 100% to have an appreciable effect).

Heat is bad for lithium batteries lifespans though, so leaving them in a hot car (like over 170 degrees F) can cause more rapid degradation as well.

EDIT: Danger's right about not wanting to be under 50% for extended periods either for maximum lifespan.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-13 16:37:31
November 13 2019 16:36 GMT
#14922
The former recommended loading and unloading only applied to really old batteries. Battery technology has changed about 5 years ago. For newer batteries, that sort of full load and unload cycle is harmful to them and should be charged at whatever the manufacturer recommends, usually at 50% and never left at 100% for too long. Batteries from laptops and phones made in the last 5 years should never be left at 0% or 100% for longevity
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
November 13 2019 18:11 GMT
#14923
On November 14 2019 01:36 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The former recommended loading and unloading only applied to really old batteries. Battery technology has changed about 5 years ago. For newer batteries, that sort of full load and unload cycle is harmful to them and should be charged at whatever the manufacturer recommends, usually at 50% and never left at 100% for too long. Batteries from laptops and phones made in the last 5 years should never be left at 0% or 100% for longevity
to play devils advocate.
Can the advise of manufacturers be trusted when its in their own best interest to have your battery fail sooner rather then later?

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
November 13 2019 18:24 GMT
#14924
I don't know if that is in the manufacturers interest, though. If your battery fails very soon, you might buy from a different manufacturer instead under the assumption that the first one clearly produced low quality batteries.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 13 2019 18:32 GMT
#14925
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
November 13 2019 18:51 GMT
#14926
On November 14 2019 03:24 Simberto wrote:
I don't know if that is in the manufacturers interest, though. If your battery fails very soon, you might buy from a different manufacturer instead under the assumption that the first one clearly produced low quality batteries.
ofcourse there is a point of 'to soon' but the point where your ok with it and willing to buy the same brand may well be sooner then the battery life expectancy under ideal treatment, at which point a manufacturer might want you to slightly mistreat it so it fails sooner.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6924 Posts
November 15 2019 12:15 GMT
#14927
Isn't a modern phones lifecycle pretty much just about a bit longer than 2 years? Cause I faintly remember studies that show that most people buy new phones every 2 years. This is also forced by carrier companies with contracts over 24 month
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-15 13:44:51
November 15 2019 12:23 GMT
#14928
Do people actually buy replacement batteries for their phones? The previous phone I owned, I had for 6 years before replacing the phone and I never had cause to replace the phone battery.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6924 Posts
November 18 2019 10:34 GMT
#14929
On November 15 2019 21:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Do people actually buy replacement batteries for their phones? The previous phone I owned, I had for 6 years before replacing the phone and I never had cause to replace the phone battery.


AFAIK in most modern phones you can't change the batteries anymore cause it is built in.

Personally, my phones don't survive much more than 2 years anyway and if it does I use it as a backup which is nice to have on some occasions (for example a bachelor weekend in Prague ^^)
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
November 18 2019 16:23 GMT
#14930
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
November 18 2019 16:28 GMT
#14931
On November 19 2019 01:23 redlightdistrict wrote:
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Your still the driver and required to be able to take control if needed right? Which you can't because your drunk.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
November 18 2019 16:39 GMT
#14932
On November 19 2019 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2019 01:23 redlightdistrict wrote:
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Your still the driver and required to be able to take control if needed right? Which you can't because your drunk.

Do you first have to experience a heart attack in order to become an effective cardiologist? If the data has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a car can drive itself effectively without human interference, and a human never interfered with the autopilot, wouldn't it be plausible deniability?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 18 2019 16:41 GMT
#14933
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-18 17:07:26
November 18 2019 16:56 GMT
#14934
On November 18 2019 19:34 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2019 21:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Do people actually buy replacement batteries for their phones? The previous phone I owned, I had for 6 years before replacing the phone and I never had cause to replace the phone battery.


AFAIK in most modern phones you can't change the batteries anymore cause it is built in.

Personally, my phones don't survive much more than 2 years anyway and if it does I use it as a backup which is nice to have on some occasions (for example a bachelor weekend in Prague ^^)

Huh ok, I just checked and I can't replace my phone battery. I guess it's the downside for an IP rating.

On November 19 2019 01:39 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2019 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 19 2019 01:23 redlightdistrict wrote:
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Your still the driver and required to be able to take control if needed right? Which you can't because your drunk.

Do you first have to experience a heart attack in order to become an effective cardiologist? If the data has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a car can drive itself effectively without human interference, and a human never interfered with the autopilot, wouldn't it be plausible deniability?
There is no data for what you have written yet. Even if there was, the law will have to change in turn with technology, and that point hasn't been reached anyways. So called self driving cars basically drive as if visually impaired right now.

In any case, you don't seem to understand how plausible deniability works. You can't plausibly deny you was driving irresponsibly by turning on a tesla autopilot when drunk, because admitting to that is admitting to irresponsibly driving. You can't plasuibly deny something you are doing by admitting you did that action.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 18 2019 17:00 GMT
#14935
On November 19 2019 01:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2019 19:34 Harris1st wrote:
On November 15 2019 21:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Do people actually buy replacement batteries for their phones? The previous phone I owned, I had for 6 years before replacing the phone and I never had cause to replace the phone battery.


AFAIK in most modern phones you can't change the batteries anymore cause it is built in.

Personally, my phones don't survive much more than 2 years anyway and if it does I use it as a backup which is nice to have on some occasions (for example a bachelor weekend in Prague ^^)

Huh ok, I just checked and I can't replace my phone battery. I guess it's the downside for an IP rating.


What do you mean you can’t? You mean it voids the warranty?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 18 2019 17:09 GMT
#14936
I just tried to open the case and I can't figure out how to open the damn case. It's tight like it's glued together.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-18 17:34:44
November 18 2019 17:34 GMT
#14937
On November 19 2019 01:39 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2019 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 19 2019 01:23 redlightdistrict wrote:
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Your still the driver and required to be able to take control if needed right? Which you can't because your drunk.

Do you first have to experience a heart attack in order to become an effective cardiologist? If the data has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a car can drive itself effectively without human interference, and a human never interfered with the autopilot, wouldn't it be plausible deniability?
I don't think we are at the point of cars driving themselves perfectly in complex situations yet to the point where we can fully remove the driver are we? Its been a while since I looked into the state of automated driving but its mostly 'advised' to be limited to highways?

Also before you get to this situation there is a MASSIVE legal battle that needs to be fought. If your car is fully self driving and the driver has no responsibility, so you can get in your car while drunk, who becomes responsible in the case of an accident?
You? impossible since your not driving.
The team of programmers that created it? Do they go to jail if your car runs over someone?

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-18 18:32:42
November 18 2019 18:31 GMT
#14938
On November 19 2019 02:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I just tried to open the case and I can't figure out how to open the damn case. It's tight like it's glued together.


what kind of phone do you have? if it’s made by a major manufacturer like samsung or apple it can be opened. you might need some tools like a pick and a suction cup to do it safely though

undoubtedly you could just youtube “how to replace [your phone] battery” and there would be multiple videos
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 18 2019 18:34 GMT
#14939
On November 19 2019 01:39 redlightdistrict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2019 01:28 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 19 2019 01:23 redlightdistrict wrote:
Could u fight a DUI arrest if u had your Tesla in autopilot? ...asking for a friend
Your still the driver and required to be able to take control if needed right? Which you can't because your drunk.

Do you first have to experience a heart attack in order to become an effective cardiologist? If the data has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a car can drive itself effectively without human interference, and a human never interfered with the autopilot, wouldn't it be plausible deniability?


the more important question is how do you get arrested for a DUI if your car is autodriving so perfectly
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 18 2019 22:23 GMT
#14940
The dumb thing about major phones is just the tiny tools you need for screws, and how much manual dexterity it takes to not clip something fragile in the process. To my knowledge, the worst offender is the iPhone, that requires a very peculiar tip for some of its fasteners. So pay an extra 2-5$ for tools, get a clean flat surface, and try not to break anything.

I sent a 1.2 or 0.8 mm screw across the room accidentally and it took a half hour to find it in carpet.
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