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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:18:11
November 01 2019 17:15 GMT
#14901
There already are basic parenting classes in some schools. There was one at my high school, and it included a test that revolved around care for an infant-like doll that tracked how the student cared for it.

Classes like that, however, are the first to go during budget crises, which is likely a big part of why they are not as prevalent as they should be.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:19:55
November 01 2019 17:18 GMT
#14902
How does that work? Does a loud alarm go off at random times when you try to sleep and you have to feed it regularily then it defecates itself and you have to clean it up? How does it track anything? Is there a camera or motion sensor built in? I'm guessing you don't have to educate it or teach it not to steal or ask how school is going either.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:22:21
November 01 2019 17:21 GMT
#14903
I didn’t take the class, but I know it had a gyroscope to sense the doll’s positioning and it would cry at regular feeding intervals and all that jazz. One girl I knew failed because her doll basically has shaking baby syndrome.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:45:26
November 01 2019 17:39 GMT
#14904
Wow really? I was just joking, but that's a lot more sophisticated than I thought it would be. Also creepy. If you want to pass, you have to wrap it up and carry it around with you.

Huh I looked over some websites about these baby simulators. I can't beleive it's a real thing. Also I can't understand the point of these lessons. Is there a need to teach people that babies need to be fed when crying and are delicate and shouldn't be shaken?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:49:13
November 01 2019 17:45 GMT
#14905
Yeah it was a well known phenomena at my school because, one week a year, some people would bring baby carriers into class and one could hear the robo cries throughout the school. And yeah, the dolls themselves were rather creepy lol

As for the utility of the class, I cannot say objectively, but as the son of an expert on infant death, spreading seemingly basic knowledge regarding not shaking a baby to make it stop crying definitely has its merits. Sudden infant death is a notable problem around my corner of the US, particularly relative to the lower class. Cosleeping deaths, for example, are a way bigger problem than many would think.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:53:00
November 01 2019 17:52 GMT
#14906
Is the class voluntary since you didn't take it? Or is it enforced for only "at risk" people? I'm seriously wrapping my head around that this is a thing somewhere in the world.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
November 01 2019 17:56 GMT
#14907
It was an elective class, though I think some kids were directed towards it. Very few guys took the class iirc.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 01 2019 18:09 GMT
#14908
Thank farvacola. Still can't beleive this is actually a thing.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 22:40:18
November 01 2019 21:49 GMT
#14909
On November 02 2019 01:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2019 13:25 thePunGun wrote:but actually raising and educating kids properly.
And what would that entail? What do YOU think such an education should be? Everyone has different opinions. Every family is different, even individual parents would have different opinions.
.

Child psychology and 'what not to do' mainly. I'd prefer a scientific approach, to give students a general understanding of the "young mind" and how they can avoid screwing up their kids.

On November 02 2019 01:47 Danglars wrote:
This would get tied up in politics so fast your head would spin.

Only if we keep playing the blame game, which funnily enough is a direct product of bad parenting.
Keeping the upper hand by reminding the other party of their wrongdoing is a behavior pattern, people with low self esteem cling to and can be seen in politics around the globe. Most politicians or people aspiring to power have a basic desire for validation from others, to boost their self esteem, to find a purpose.
They've never learned that true happiness comes from self acceptance, not validation. Because only by self acceptance you can find a real fulfilling purpose in life.
But that's just another example how bad parenting can result in bad/(self-)abusive behavior patterns.
Teaching child psychology and child education to future parents might lead to breaking those abusive patterns and hopefully a better society. But that might just be wishful thinking on my part.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 21:57:39
November 01 2019 21:55 GMT
#14910
On November 02 2019 03:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Thank farvacola. Still can't beleive this is actually a thing.


I took the class and it doubled as a sex ed class for kids who had missed it otherwise (Sex ed is not required or expected to be fact based in many states).

As to it's effectiveness I can't say, a girl who put her baby sim in the trunk to hangout and drink turned out to be one of the better moms of my class and a girl who aced it lost all her kids in a custody battle.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 01 2019 23:13 GMT
#14911
On November 02 2019 06:49 thePunGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 01:47 Danglars wrote:
This would get tied up in politics so fast your head would spin.

Only if we keep playing the blame game, which funnily enough is a direct product of bad parenting.
Keeping the upper hand by reminding the other party of their wrongdoing is a behavior pattern, people with low self esteem cling to and can be seen in politics around the globe. Most politicians or people aspiring to power have a basic desire for validation from others, to boost their self esteem, to find a purpose.
They've never learned that true happiness comes from self acceptance, not validation. Because only by self acceptance you can find a real fulfilling purpose in life.
But that's just another example how bad parenting can result in bad/(self-)abusive behavior patterns.
Teaching child psychology and child education to future parents might lead to breaking those abusive patterns and hopefully a better society. But that might just be wishful thinking on my part.

I’m pretty jaded on this. It’s a very pretty thing to campaign for better education, and blame the entry of politics into it as some result of bad parenting of others. We don’t live in that utopia, where infallible scientists dictate fact-based child rearing norms to teenage children. You’ll have to argue it out with your fellow citizens. Maybe first it’s “who are you to think you can teach my kids how to raise their kids” and second “if scientists now regret parenting norms from scientific studies even a fucking decade ago, how are you so sure the results of this experiment won’t be called a disaster a decade later?”

Im all on board for vaccination awareness, care for a fake baby for a week, impress the responsibility and cost of children in teens. I’ll add teaching about relationships, abuse, and addiction to that list. The child psych and early childhood education? Leave it to parenting books in the library and teaching the importance of community bonds and family. Make it available in low-cost community colleges.

I don’t think the societal problems are solved if only teens heard about good child rearing in high school. No shit, involved parents that spend time on playing and talking with their kids. People won’t know about that unless some public school teacher pounds it into a teens head?

I’m getting the vibes from the last time I read a thread all about shaming parents (or anyone supportive) for spanking their young children for rebellion.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 15:24:02
November 02 2019 00:34 GMT
#14912
On November 02 2019 08:13 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2019 06:49 thePunGun wrote:
On November 02 2019 01:47 Danglars wrote:
This would get tied up in politics so fast your head would spin.

Only if we keep playing the blame game, which funnily enough is a direct product of bad parenting.
Keeping the upper hand by reminding the other party of their wrongdoing is a behavior pattern, people with low self esteem cling to and can be seen in politics around the globe. Most politicians or people aspiring to power have a basic desire for validation from others, to boost their self esteem, to find a purpose.
They've never learned that true happiness comes from self acceptance, not validation. Because only by self acceptance you can find a real fulfilling purpose in life.
But that's just another example how bad parenting can result in bad/(self-)abusive behavior patterns.
Teaching child psychology and child education to future parents might lead to breaking those abusive patterns and hopefully a better society. But that might just be wishful thinking on my part.
... “if scientists now regret parenting norms from scientific studies even a fucking decade ago, how are you so sure the results of this experiment won’t be called a disaster a decade later?”...

Hence the "wishful thinking on my part". Lots of things taught in schools turned out out to be false and were corrected and updated later on. Lots of scientific thesis have turned out to be false and were disproven, too. We can only teach, what's been proven to be the best scientific method to date.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 12 2019 23:25 GMT
#14913
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23464 Posts
November 12 2019 23:34 GMT
#14914
Cell phone batteries are rated for ~500-1000 charge cycles. Battery ratings are typically based on ~80% capacity. So after a couple years (more or less depending on usage) the battery reading at 100% charge is actually only at about 75% capacity.

Lithium batteries also store best at ~50% charge otherwise they'll degrade over time even unused.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 12 2019 23:43 GMT
#14915
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23464 Posts
November 13 2019 00:03 GMT
#14916
On November 13 2019 08:43 JimmiC wrote:
good to know, does it continue to degrade at mostly a straight line?


It's a slow steady decay for the first 500-1000 (for cell phones) then it's a pretty precipitous decline

These aren't specifically cell phone batteries, but the pattern is the same.

[image loading]

There's other factors that can cause quicker or slower degradation but they rate them to 80% because of the steep fall off in performance after it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 13 2019 01:08 GMT
#14917
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11629 Posts
November 13 2019 09:59 GMT
#14918
It is important to note that that graph doesn't show total power storage in relation to amount of charges, but instead shows the voltage over time (at i assume some constant power draw?) of a single charge cycle.

If we take that and just look at how long it takes until a certain voltage is reached, then even the 2000 cycle battery still lasts at least 80% as long as the totally new one. Really hard to read, but if we take at the point of total collapse, it is after about 3450s in cycle 0, and at about 2900s at cycle 2000. Which is a drop of only 16%. If we take any other point, like the 3.5V point, that happens after maybe 2000s in cycle 0, and 1700s in cycle 2000, which once again is a drop of about 15%.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6994 Posts
November 13 2019 16:08 GMT
#14919
So it is better again to do less charge cycles? I know this was the case with old batteries.
But with more recent batteries, I remember reading that it's better for batteries to be full'ish all the time in the long term. That's why I charge my phone even when it's at 60-70%
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11629 Posts
November 13 2019 16:31 GMT
#14920
My guess is that that data is from some test where they fully charged and then fully unloaded a bunch of batteries, but i honestly don't know if it is better to always keep them topped off, or to load and unload fully.
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