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On February 20 2015 13:36 Parametric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 13:13 DepressedOne wrote:
A Canadian person I met online said he puts slabs of meat on his floor randomly all over the place. He says this is Canadian tradition and when guests come over they can pick a slab of meat they like. It's also handy if you want a snack. Just pick a slab of meat sitting by your chair and yum yum. I'm not sure if he's trolling or not. I'm not to judge another culture's traditions. It doesn't seem hygienic to me. Is this guy telling the truth? Is this actually Canadian tradition? He lives in an igloo. Water runs it. He has a computer. What. He says he pays a guy to shoot electricity into the water that runs the electronics in his house. Igloos. He lives in an igloo. His family built it. It takes a very long time to build these igloos. Completely not true, Canadians don't have running water in their igloos.
Lol, no, def no running water in canadian igloos. Or well, very few as I understand. He probably get's his water by drilling a hole in the ice in the lake like everyone else. They do start with running water in the igloos in scandinavia, but not really widespread there either as far as I know. So electricity through the water is clearly not true as well (is that even possible, lol?). Again, he is probably just hooked up to the grid (legally or otherwise...) through a hole in the igloo like everyone else.
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On February 20 2015 13:36 Parametric wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 13:13 DepressedOne wrote:
A Canadian person I met online said he puts slabs of meat on his floor randomly all over the place. He says this is Canadian tradition and when guests come over they can pick a slab of meat they like. It's also handy if you want a snack. Just pick a slab of meat sitting by your chair and yum yum. I'm not sure if he's trolling or not. I'm not to judge another culture's traditions. It doesn't seem hygienic to me. Is this guy telling the truth? Is this actually Canadian tradition? He lives in an igloo. Water runs it. He has a computer. What. He says he pays a guy to shoot electricity into the water that runs the electronics in his house. Igloos. He lives in an igloo. His family built it. It takes a very long time to build these igloos. Completely not true, Canadians don't have running water in their igloos.
Indeed, do you even know science? An igloo is made from frozen water. If he had running water in there, it would need to pass through the igloo and also freeze.
But the rest is actually true. If you live in an igloo, it is utterly retarded to buy a fridge, because you are already living in one. Thus you can just have meat and vegetables and other fridge stuff just lying all over the place, and it is just as sanitary as having it in a fridge would be for another person. However, i would still recommend barbecuing the meat you grab, it is not healthy to eat raw meat unless you know where it is from.
Regarding the electricity through water, that is not actually possible. What he probably means is that he has a small water generator beside his igloo (can't have running water in an igloo, remember), and generates electricity that way, like in one of the big dams.
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On February 20 2015 18:47 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 13:36 Parametric wrote:On February 20 2015 13:13 DepressedOne wrote:
A Canadian person I met online said he puts slabs of meat on his floor randomly all over the place. He says this is Canadian tradition and when guests come over they can pick a slab of meat they like. It's also handy if you want a snack. Just pick a slab of meat sitting by your chair and yum yum. I'm not sure if he's trolling or not. I'm not to judge another culture's traditions. It doesn't seem hygienic to me. Is this guy telling the truth? Is this actually Canadian tradition? He lives in an igloo. Water runs it. He has a computer. What. He says he pays a guy to shoot electricity into the water that runs the electronics in his house. Igloos. He lives in an igloo. His family built it. It takes a very long time to build these igloos. Completely not true, Canadians don't have running water in their igloos. Indeed, do you even know science? An igloo is made from frozen water. If he had running water in there, it would need to pass through the igloo and also freeze. But the rest is actually true. If you live in an igloo, it is utterly retarded to buy a fridge, because you are already living in one. Thus you can just have meat and vegetables and other fridge stuff just lying all over the place, and it is just as sanitary as having it in a fridge would be for another person. However, i would still recommend barbecuing the meat you grab, it is not healthy to eat raw meat unless you know where it is from. Regarding the electricity through water, that is not actually possible. What he probably means is that he has a small water generator beside his igloo (can't have running water in an igloo, remember), and generates electricity that way, like in one of the big dams.
Moving water would not freeze. It would erode the ice around it.
Having a refrigerator is a good idea, 'cos it stops things from freezing. The heat generated from the motor and compressor will keep the temp high enough.
There is nothing wrong with eating raw meat.
Electricity will run through water if there is an electrolytic dissolved in it, ie salt.
Our society is soo fucked up about being free of germ and being clean, it ruins our immune systems and destroys the good bacteria that destroy odours and the beneficial germs that actually fight the harmful germs.
(RANT) "Kills 99% of Germs" says the advert. "Oh! That must be good for my household" say the ignorant, who is being brainwashed by corporate greed.
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Ok, i have to get semi-serious now and lay some science down.
Moving water will freeze if it is cold enough.
Electricity will run through water. However, water even with large amounts of electrolytes is a much worse conductor than, for example, copper wires. ( I did a calculation here, and assuming your are getting sea water through a 1 inch diameter pipe, that would have a resistance of 40 mOhm/m. Less salt makes the conductivity even worse. Smaller pipes, same thing. I am having trouble finding info about copper cables, but apparently 6mm² is the area some of them sometimes have. Those have a resistance of ~2.8mOhm/m.) Thus, conducting electricity through your water pipes is probably not a good idea. And your water pipes are probably grounded, too, making the whole thing work even less.
Eating raw meat is fine, if it is very fresh. The less fresh it is, the more you should really cook it.
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On February 20 2015 20:01 MutantGenepool wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 18:47 Simberto wrote:On February 20 2015 13:36 Parametric wrote:On February 20 2015 13:13 DepressedOne wrote:
A Canadian person I met online said he puts slabs of meat on his floor randomly all over the place. He says this is Canadian tradition and when guests come over they can pick a slab of meat they like. It's also handy if you want a snack. Just pick a slab of meat sitting by your chair and yum yum. I'm not sure if he's trolling or not. I'm not to judge another culture's traditions. It doesn't seem hygienic to me. Is this guy telling the truth? Is this actually Canadian tradition? He lives in an igloo. Water runs it. He has a computer. What. He says he pays a guy to shoot electricity into the water that runs the electronics in his house. Igloos. He lives in an igloo. His family built it. It takes a very long time to build these igloos. Completely not true, Canadians don't have running water in their igloos. Indeed, do you even know science? An igloo is made from frozen water. If he had running water in there, it would need to pass through the igloo and also freeze. But the rest is actually true. If you live in an igloo, it is utterly retarded to buy a fridge, because you are already living in one. Thus you can just have meat and vegetables and other fridge stuff just lying all over the place, and it is just as sanitary as having it in a fridge would be for another person. However, i would still recommend barbecuing the meat you grab, it is not healthy to eat raw meat unless you know where it is from. Regarding the electricity through water, that is not actually possible. What he probably means is that he has a small water generator beside his igloo (can't have running water in an igloo, remember), and generates electricity that way, like in one of the big dams. Moving water would not freeze. It would erode the ice around it. Having a refrigerator is a good idea, 'cos it stops things from freezing. The heat generated from the motor and compressor will keep the temp high enough. There is nothing wrong with eating raw meat. Electricity will run through water if there is an electrolytic dissolved in it, ie salt. Our society is soo fucked up about being free of germ and being clean, it ruins our immune systems and destroys the good bacteria that destroy odours and the beneficial germs that actually fight the harmful germs. (RANT) "Kills 99% of Germs" says the advert. "Oh! That must be good for my household" say the ignorant, who is being brainwashed by corporate greed.
Yeah, as I said, they do the running water thing in Scandinavia, but I don't think they put salt in the water, wtf? >_> Have you drunk salt water?? I think they put a bit of alcohol in it to lower the freezing point, and with pressure and moving or so it stays liquid long enough, but not sure about the details... I know a friend in Kiruna though (north Sweden) that lives in one of the new igloos, and he tried to extract the alcohol, lol! Let me just tell you that it didn't end well.  Electricity must be an illegal plug to nearby grid, or the water generator ofc.
Specially in an igloo germs is really no problem. Little known fact is that the beneficial germs survive much better during freezing, which is why northern countries in general are healthier. Or well, a big factor at least.
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On February 20 2015 21:24 Simberto wrote:
Electricity will run through water. However, water even with large amounts of electrolytes is a much worse conductor than, for example, copper wires. ( I did a calculation here, and assuming your are getting sea water through a 1 inch diameter pipe, that would have a resistance of 40 mOhm/m. Less salt makes the conductivity even worse. Smaller pipes, same thing. I am having trouble finding info about copper cables, but apparently 6mm² is the area some of them sometimes have. Those have a resistance of ~2.8mOhm/m.) Thus, conducting electricity through your water pipes is probably not a good idea. And your water pipes are probably grounded, too, making the whole thing work even less.
Yep. water being a poor conductor is also the reason why there is not millions of dead everytime a lightning hit the ocean ^^
If the ocean was made of copper or gold, thunder would be a very serious problem ^^
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I think sailing/fishing/bathing would be a serious issue...
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Can you lose the ability to feel certain feelings, by not feeling them for a long time or hiding them?
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On February 20 2015 22:55 waffelz wrote:
Can you lose the ability to feel certain feelings, by not feeling them for a long time or hiding them?
Unlikely, unless there is a neurological cause, like trauma or a highly improbable random rewiring.
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On February 20 2015 23:11 nepeta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 22:55 waffelz wrote:
Can you lose the ability to feel certain feelings, by not feeling them for a long time or hiding them? Unlikely, unless there is a neurological cause, like trauma or a highly improbable random rewiring.
Is it sociopaths that are unable to feel guilt or remorse or am I confusing that with a true psychopath? I mean this in the strictest psychological sense rather than the TV/Move psychological sense.
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On February 20 2015 21:55 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 21:24 Simberto wrote:
Electricity will run through water. However, water even with large amounts of electrolytes is a much worse conductor than, for example, copper wires. ( I did a calculation here, and assuming your are getting sea water through a 1 inch diameter pipe, that would have a resistance of 40 mOhm/m. Less salt makes the conductivity even worse. Smaller pipes, same thing. I am having trouble finding info about copper cables, but apparently 6mm² is the area some of them sometimes have. Those have a resistance of ~2.8mOhm/m.) Thus, conducting electricity through your water pipes is probably not a good idea. And your water pipes are probably grounded, too, making the whole thing work even less.
Yep. water being a poor conductor is also the reason why there is not millions of dead everytime a lightning hit the ocean ^^ If the ocean was made of copper or gold, thunder would be a very serious problem ^^
That is not how electricity works. There are two main problems with electricity for humans. One is that we ourselves employ electric signals in our nerves, and thus random electricity messes stuff up and, for example, makes muscles contract and your heart go out of rhythm. The second is that when a current runs through something, it usually heats the object, and it is bad if random parts of your body get fried. The first is usually the larger problem.
Both of those require electricity to actually go through your body. Electrical current generally take the path of smallest resistance to equalize a potential difference. This can mean splitting up onto multiple paths.
Now, there are multiple facets to that. The main is the following: Even if oceans were perfect conductors, the electrical charge from the lightning strike would still ride the potential gradient to equalize itself with an opposed charge (simply speaking). This probably means going for the ocean floor. Furthermore, if the ocean was perfectly conducting, there would be no reason for the current to take any other path to that place. For example, a path through a human, who would have higher resistance. Thus, you could even swim in that perfectly conducting ocean right between the lightning strike and the place the current wants to go to, and it would just pass around you, since you would be a path of higher resistance than the ocean. You would probably get slightly charged, but that should not hurt you in any way.
Furthermore, there is A LOT of ocean. There is a limited amount of electrical charge in a lightning strike. This charge would very quickly spread out over the whole prefectly conducting ocean and be utterly irrelevant to anything.
Really the only situation where you have a problem is when you are the path of least resistance. For example, grabbing a high voltage wire makes you the path of smallest resistance for the electrical current to equalize the potential difference between the wire and the ground. That is not good for you, since now all of the current runs through you, leading to the problems mentioned above.
(I assume lightning is what you were talking about, since i don't really see how the material of the ocean would really effect thunder a lot)
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Hopefully the right place to ask this question: What is the deal with prayers, that supposedly yielded answers?
Why do people still accept arguments from "divine guidance" (i.e. someone prayed to something, and tells others he got an answer)?
That whole mechanism baffles me. It came up in the US politics thread, about a doctor praying to god and then not treating the child of a lesbian couple. And people act like if the prayer played any part in the decision process....
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On February 21 2015 00:47 puerk wrote:
Hopefully the right place to ask this question: What is the deal with prayers, that supposedly yielded answers?
Why do people still accept arguments from "divine guidance" (i.e. someone prayed to something, and tells others he got an answer)?
That whole mechanism baffles me. It came up in the US politics thread, about a doctor praying to god and then not treating the child of a lesbian couple. And people act like if the prayer played any part in the decision process....
People talk to themselves all the time. And manage to reason things out for themselves.
Either that, or there is, in fact, a God, who has chosen a few people, including that doctor, to talk to.
You choose which one is more likely.
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On February 21 2015 00:37 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 21:55 oGoZenob wrote:On February 20 2015 21:24 Simberto wrote:
Electricity will run through water. However, water even with large amounts of electrolytes is a much worse conductor than, for example, copper wires. ( I did a calculation here, and assuming your are getting sea water through a 1 inch diameter pipe, that would have a resistance of 40 mOhm/m. Less salt makes the conductivity even worse. Smaller pipes, same thing. I am having trouble finding info about copper cables, but apparently 6mm² is the area some of them sometimes have. Those have a resistance of ~2.8mOhm/m.) Thus, conducting electricity through your water pipes is probably not a good idea. And your water pipes are probably grounded, too, making the whole thing work even less.
Yep. water being a poor conductor is also the reason why there is not millions of dead everytime a lightning hit the ocean ^^ If the ocean was made of copper or gold, thunder would be a very serious problem ^^ That is not how electricity works. There are two main problems with electricity for humans. One is that we ourselves employ electric signals in our nerves, and thus random electricity messes stuff up and, for example, makes muscles contract and your heart go out of rhythm. The second is that when a current runs through something, it usually heats the object, and it is bad if random parts of your body get fried. The first is usually the larger problem. Both of those require electricity to actually go through your body. Electrical current generally take the path of smallest resistance to equalize a potential difference. This can mean splitting up onto multiple paths. Now, there are multiple facets to that. The main is the following: Even if oceans were perfect conductors, the electrical charge from the lightning strike would still ride the potential gradient to equalize itself with an opposed charge (simply speaking). This probably means going for the ocean floor. Furthermore, if the ocean was perfectly conducting, there would be no reason for the current to take any other path to that place. For example, a path through a human, who would have higher resistance. Thus, you could even swim in that perfectly conducting ocean right between the lightning strike and the place the current wants to go to, and it would just pass around you, since you would be a path of higher resistance than the ocean. You would probably get slightly charged, but that should not hurt you in any way. Furthermore, there is A LOT of ocean. There is a limited amount of electrical charge in a lightning strike. This charge would very quickly spread out over the whole prefectly conducting ocean and be utterly irrelevant to anything. Really the only situation where you have a problem is when you are the path of least resistance. For example, grabbing a high voltage wire makes you the path of smallest resistance for the electrical current to equalize the potential difference between the wire and the ground. That is not good for you, since now all of the current runs through you, leading to the problems mentioned above. (I assume lightning is what you were talking about, since i don't really see how the material of the ocean would really effect thunder a lot)
yes you're totally right, i was just reasoning in terms of distance of propagation how-far-do-I-have-to-be-to-not-die 
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On February 21 2015 00:47 puerk wrote:
Hopefully the right place to ask this question: What is the deal with prayers, that supposedly yielded answers?
Why do people still accept arguments from "divine guidance" (i.e. someone prayed to something, and tells others he got an answer)?
That whole mechanism baffles me. It came up in the US politics thread, about a doctor praying to god and then not treating the child of a lesbian couple. And people act like if the prayer played any part in the decision process....
Prayer is a ritual to do regular contemplation of one's place in the universe. It's fine to have whatever parallel you want for this (meditation, just blocking out some time each day to think, whatever), but it's a ritual with a noble purpose. The concept is to try to strip away the layers of individual particularity and try to reach the truth, the divine, Reason, if you will.
Even if people sometimes come up with incorrect answers, as in the above case.
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This question has to do with the movie Predestination, so I'll put it in a spoiler. Don't even read the question if you don't want the movie spoiled for you:
+ Show Spoiler +What would really happen if a hermaphrodite were able to impregnate itself? Would the child be a genetic copy of the parent? Like a twin, just one generation apart?
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On February 21 2015 04:39 jetburger wrote:This question has to do with the movie Predestination, so I'll put it in a spoiler. Don't even read the question if you don't want the movie spoiled for you: + Show Spoiler +What would really happen if a hermaphrodite were able to impregnate itself? Would the child be a genetic copy of the parent? Like a twin, just one generation apart?
I have no idea about that movie, so i am going to answer your question in a spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
From my understanding of biology, no. The whole point of sexual reproduction is that it mixes the genes of both parents, and there is a random element involved, too, otherwise all children of the same two people would be genetically identical. Thus, there could be many different results for the doublechild of a hermaphrodite, based on which part of the parents genome is in the sperm, and which is in the egg.
For example, if a hermaphrodite has genes AaBBddEe (a letter symbolizes a type of gene, capitalised/noncapitalised a different variant of that gene) could produce both sperm and eggs with something like ABdE, aBde, ABdE, aBdE. The child could have any combination thereof, for example AABBddEE, aaBBddee, or whatever. Many different combinations possible.
Disclaimer: This is very simplified and based on my highschool biology lessons, i am not a biologist by trade.
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On February 21 2015 05:04 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 04:39 jetburger wrote:This question has to do with the movie Predestination, so I'll put it in a spoiler. Don't even read the question if you don't want the movie spoiled for you: + Show Spoiler +What would really happen if a hermaphrodite were able to impregnate itself? Would the child be a genetic copy of the parent? Like a twin, just one generation apart? I have no idea about that movie, so i am going to answer your question in a spoiler + Show Spoiler +
From my understanding of biology, no. The whole point of sexual reproduction is that it mixes the genes of both parents, and there is a random element involved, too, otherwise all children of the same two people would be genetically identical. Thus, there could be many different results for the doublechild of a hermaphrodite, based on which part of the parents genome is in the sperm, and which is in the egg.
For example, if a hermaphrodite has genes AaBBddEe (a letter symbolizes a type of gene, capitalised/noncapitalised a different variant of that gene) could produce both sperm and eggs with something like ABdE, aBde, ABdE, aBdE. The child could have any combination thereof, for example AABBddEE, aaBBddee, or whatever. Many different combinations possible.
Disclaimer: This is very simplified and based on my highschool biology lessons, i am not a biologist by trade.
+ Show Spoiler +Thanks, that makes sense. So hermaphrodite and child are about as genetically similar as two siblings of the same parents would be.
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On February 21 2015 01:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 00:47 puerk wrote:
Hopefully the right place to ask this question: What is the deal with prayers, that supposedly yielded answers?
Why do people still accept arguments from "divine guidance" (i.e. someone prayed to something, and tells others he got an answer)?
That whole mechanism baffles me. It came up in the US politics thread, about a doctor praying to god and then not treating the child of a lesbian couple. And people act like if the prayer played any part in the decision process.... People talk to themselves all the time. And manage to reason things out for themselves. Either that, or there is, in fact, a God, who has chosen a few people, including that doctor, to talk to. You choose which one is more likely.
Idk about prayer, but talking to yourself can be a very effective way of reflecting on things. Based on Vygotsky's research around 100 years ago, I think it was hypothesized that thought crystallizes in language; it's all a bloody mess being all impulses in neurons, language forces the brain to put out something concrete. If you're interested I think Vygotsky might be a good place to start.
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On February 20 2015 23:58 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 23:11 nepeta wrote:On February 20 2015 22:55 waffelz wrote:
Can you lose the ability to feel certain feelings, by not feeling them for a long time or hiding them? Unlikely, unless there is a neurological cause, like trauma or a highly improbable random rewiring. Is it sociopaths that are unable to feel guilt or remorse or am I confusing that with a true psychopath? I mean this in the strictest psychological sense rather than the TV/Move psychological sense.
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