EPTBanning halal/kosher butchering - Page 12
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RealQ
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
On June 29 2011 03:58 Zorgaz wrote: Religion is only acceptable if it doesn't interfere with the law or humane ethics. Cutting the animals throat isn't humane, of course the animal feels the pain. It's just a bunch of bull*#&! you mean, your human ethics. | ||
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SpearWrit
United States300 Posts
On June 29 2011 03:58 emythrel wrote: It is based on religious beliefs, if thats you're only reason for doing it.... its stupid. I did edit my post to say that if it is equally quick and painless then its fine, even if the reasoning behind it is stupid. Religious beliefs, then, are stupid? That's rather arrogant. I will not continue a discussion with you, if by the get go my reasoning is already condemned to be "stupid." | ||
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RealQ
1120 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:02 SpearWrit wrote: Religious beliefs, then, are stupid? That's rather arrogant. I will not continue a discussion with you, if by the get go my reasoning is already condemned to be "stupid." Religion itself is stupid User was warned for this post | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
oh well, history will always repeat itself because people dont pay attention to the past. | ||
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ScrubS
Netherlands436 Posts
Religion and animal welfare are both stupid. So far it hasn't been scientifically proven that animals suffer more when they are butchered halal/kosher. Therefore, it is just way easier and better to allow it (eventho its bs, as i agree with u) | ||
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SpearWrit
United States300 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:04 RealQ wrote: Religion itself is stupid You must be the life of the party, bro. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
This is all an irrelevant red herring. If the method of slaughter does not induce pain or does not induce any more pain as "conventional" methods do, then there is no reason for the practice to be banned. Seeing as no one in this entire goddamned thread has given one credible source that shows that kosher and halal practices induce more pain than conventional methods and is inhumane, I find no reason to oppose it. | ||
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SpearWrit
United States300 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:08 koreasilver wrote: This is all an irrelevant red herring. If the method of slaughter does not induce pain or does not induce any more pain as "conventional" methods do, then there is no reason for the practice to be banned. Seeing as no one in this entire goddamned thread has given one credible source that shows that kosher and halal practices induce more pain than conventional methods and is inhumane, I find no reason to oppose it. Yup. It already is. The law has ALREADY PASSED. And it just limits the "inhumane slaughter" of an animal. And Kosher/Halal done right is already humane. So it doesn't violate the law anyway. And if a Rabbi or Imam is poor in their judgement and declares an actual inhumane slaughter as humane, the state will enforce. All of the anti-Semites/anti-Religious people in this thread already lost. | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
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Sultan
United States52 Posts
AND how much "shock" is going to be delivered? Cows are freakin' huge, I can't imagine the voltage being a small one, or the duration being short to "fully" and "humanely" make one unconscious. | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
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Sultan
United States52 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:16 Deadlyhazard wrote: Yeah I saw this halal thing in the Zimmern show the other day. It took the animal about 10 minutes to die from bleeding out of the throat. And it was a camel ( I thought camels were restricted against this tradition....). It most certainly is NOT a humane way of killing animals, especially now that modern civilization has ways to kill them instantly. This is not an instant kill. The animal has already been dead. Its just bleeding out. The blood has to go somewhere, ya know. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:19 Sultan wrote: The animal has already been dead. Its just bleeding out. The blood has to go somewhere, ya know. No, it was kicking around for awhile and running. It wasn't dead for quite a while. Bleeding out doesn't give instant death, though sometimes it kills the animal quickly. I still say it isn't a humane way of killing animals, because much pain is involved compared to other methods. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:20 Destro wrote: I must have missed the statements of people pro animal wellfare in this thread in which they state that they were fine with animals being locked up their whole life wandering in their own feces.I like how we hold ourselves on such a high pedestal. We keep animals locked up their entire life, fed garbage food and have little space to wander in their own feces. They live this way their entire life and treated like any other resource. BUT DEAR GOD IF THEY DIE IN 2 SECONDS INSTEAD OF 1... UN-HUMANE! | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
I believe that animal welfare IS more important than any religion's laws. But after reading up on it a bit, I think Halal and Kosher animal slaughtering are quite humane and shouldn't be banned. | ||
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huun
Turkey58 Posts
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Sultan
United States52 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:20 Deadlyhazard wrote: No, it was kicking around for awhile and running. It wasn't dead for quite a while. Bleeding out doesn't give instant death, though sometimes it kills the animal quickly. I still say it isn't a humane way of killing animals, because much pain is involved compared to other methods. Running?? After having its jugular and carotid arteries cut? Are you sure?...I can't find the video. | ||
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SpearWrit
United States300 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:25 Gak2 wrote: I voted for "Animal Welfare" in the obviously biased poll but I feel like I need to clarify my opinion: I believe that animal welfare IS more important than any religion's laws. But after reading up on it a bit, I think Halal and Kosher animal slaughtering are quite humane and shouldn't be banned. Thank goodness for rational people like you. You have brightened up my day. | ||
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