EPTMan Robs Bank to get Healthcare. - Page 23
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GGitsJack
New Zealand426 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On June 22 2011 16:50 partisan wrote: That's a theory based entirely on the Laffer Curve (which itself is debatable), the thing is that current tax rates in the US are no where near the point where they reduce revenue or stifle innovation. Taxes are at historic lows Tax "rates" are not at historic lows. Tax revenues to the government may be, but that's only because the economy is in the shitter, and less income means less taxes. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Chibithor
Brazil514 Posts
On June 22 2011 18:01 seiferoth10 wrote: While the American hate is pretty hilarious, let me just point out the following: our system allows for more medical innovation than any other country. The best metric I could find for this was the number of nobel laureates in medicine per country: 85 for the US, second best being Britain at 24. So we're basically screwing over the people who can't afford health insurance in favor of advancing medicine. Is that good? Depends on your perspective. I don't know, I always thought it had something to do with the US population being relatively large. Quick look at wikipedia claims that the US has five times the population of Britain, therefore for me it would make sense that they would have more nobel laureates as well. Obviously it doesn't directly translate over, but it looks like considering the population the US and Britain are pretty even there, don't you think? But even if it was otherwise true, I don't think that's a very good way to go about it. Screwing the people or a part of it over a greater good doesn't usually work out in the end. You could compare it to slavery, but I'm not sure if that'd be a bit much. After all, I don't know that much about american health care, other than that it's bad. | ||
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Svartstol
Sweden171 Posts
On June 22 2011 04:51 Zealotdriver wrote: This was more than just a bank robbery to get into jail in order to receive health care. He made it a political protest as well, which brings attention to the ridiculous healthcare clusterfuck that we have in the USA. The man understands that the healthcare problem is bigger than himself. This x1000. You have to appreciate the symbolism of his actions. Clearly something is wrong over the pond when people been to go to jail in order to be treated for health problems. Isn't bank robbery considered a fed offence? Even with the small ammunt he can expect a harsh punishment. | ||
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Geolich
Australia375 Posts
On June 22 2011 18:12 Ocedic wrote: So, why doesn't every citizen in your country get free food? What if people starve? What about housing? Do you provide free housing? I'm not claiming America is the greatest country in the world, but your logic astounds me. So where exactly is the line you draw between how much 'we should pay for those less fortunate?' Because no matter what you think it is, it's rather arbitrary and definitely subjective. So how about you save your judgmental attitude? What if someone said you were a selfish, self-centered person because you don't volunteer 20 hours a week at the homeless shelter, or donate all of your savings to charity? Yes, our government does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Australia Nice try though. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On June 22 2011 15:58 recklessfire wrote: dude just calling the ambulance in the US costs around 5,000 dollars,what a joke. My friend's mom broke her arm and after calling 911 they got slapped with a 5,000 dollar bill. America's healthcare system is pretty broken atm. What the fuck? Are you serious? 5.000 for an ambulance??? | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
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Deleted User 45971
533 Posts
All modern Governments spends huge amounts of money subsidizing farmers and have provided them with industrial technology, which in turn is developed in universities by heavy public funding, which allows the huge food production. Industrial countries also only subsidize their own farmers so their farmers have a huge competitive advantage compared to non-industrial/third world farmers. Those are the reasons why food is cheap and accessible to everyone living in a modern industrial society, not some entrepreneur struggling to provide food to the people despite the oppression of government taxes. | ||
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Stroggoz
New Zealand79 Posts
look at brazil, one of the strongest growing economies. They pay people to go to school so poor kids actually get the ability to be able to earn real money for the government instead of just being stuck in the cycle of poverty. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 22 2011 19:11 Potatisodlaren wrote: Too many pages to read through so I don't know if anyone commented on it yet but to the people that try to sound smart with the whole "food is a great and competitive market" or whatever are completely clueless. All modern Governments spends huge amounts of money subsidizing farmers and have provided them with industrial technology, which in turn is developed in universities by heavy public funding, which allows the huge food production. Industrial countries also only subsidize their own farmers so their farmers have a huge competitive advantage compared to non-industrial/third world farmers. Those are the reasons why food is cheap and accessible to everyone living in a modern industrial society, not some entrepreneur struggling to provide food to the people despite the oppression of government taxes. This, and not only this but food might be a great and competitive market but healthcare isn't. When such a large amount of people can't afford such an essential thing, it's not fucking working. There are only two arguments in this thread I've seen to prop up America's shite system; 'why should I pay for other people' and 'socialised healthcare is just involuntary insurance'. Both of which have been shat all over by everyone else like the rubbish they are. I've yet to see anyone make even a vaguely convincing point supporting the idea that healthcare should be a service provided by private companies. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On June 22 2011 17:55 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: i have no idea.. i don't really know much about politics unless it involves me... i pay $48/month for 100% coverage with a $10 copay for anything (dental, medical, vision) and i am happy with that... Are you a student or something ? Otherwise I highly doubt 48/month is 100% coverage(what do you mean by that anyway), what is your cap, in general wtf ? Average premiums for employer-provided insurance seems to be around 4000 annually. And I highly doubt even those are without caps and a lot of small print. With 48/month it would be actually as cheap as minimum wage workers pay here for insurance, and our spending per capita is 4-5 times lower than US. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Solution ? No more free medi care in jails, anyone agrees :o ? On a serious note, i think a medi care system powered by tax payer money would be to expensive to USA right now altho they could set up some free hospitals..etc to treat ppl who can't afford it but not under the top-notch conditions many clinics in the USA have right now. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On June 22 2011 18:01 seiferoth10 wrote: While the American hate is pretty hilarious, let me just point out the following: our system allows for more medical innovation than any other country. The best metric I could find for this was the number of nobel laureates in medicine per country: 85 for the US, second best being Britain at 24. So we're basically screwing over the people who can't afford health insurance in favor of advancing medicine. Is that good? Depends on your perspective. There might be some point in your argument, but note cca 50 mln people in Britain, 300 in US, so per capita Britain is actually better. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On June 22 2011 18:12 Ocedic wrote: So, why doesn't every citizen in your country get free food? What if people starve? What about housing? Do you provide free housing? I'm not claiming America is the greatest country in the world, but your logic astounds me. So where exactly is the line you draw between how much 'we should pay for those less fortunate?' Because no matter what you think it is, it's rather arbitrary and definitely subjective. So how about you save your judgmental attitude? What if someone said you were a selfish, self-centered person because you don't volunteer 20 hours a week at the homeless shelter, or donate all of your savings to charity? Actually food and housing is dealt with by welfare system, so. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
Yeah, its the poors fault for being poor, we shouldn't help them or pay any money for them. How Christian. If Jesus did exist and was alive today, they'd call him a communist and anti-American. | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On June 22 2011 21:46 Vore210 wrote: It's funny that a country whose people wear their christian religions as a political popularity gimmick, fail at even the basic teachings and compassion that Christianity is supposed to have (but rarely shows). Yeah, its the poors fault for being poor, we shouldn't help them or pay any money for them. How Christian. If Jesus did exist and was alive today, they'd call him a communist and anti-American. This thread was bad enough, and now you bring religion into it? You are quite brave sir. | ||
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Vore210
Ireland256 Posts
On June 22 2011 21:51 seiferoth10 wrote: This thread was bad enough, and now you bring religion into it? You are quite brave sir. It's not so much that im trying to bring religion into it (as there's no religious debate that can be had from what I said, after all, since what I said is simply true) but when you see hypocrisy in something, what else can you say? I even kept a fairly agnostic standpoint so neither theists nor atheists would jump onto it. Religion is a big aspect of getting elected in the states, lets not beat around the bush. I'm just saying they surely talk the talk but they're nowhere near walking the walk as far as professing their faith and christian values are concerned. It's just so hypocritical. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On June 22 2011 04:39 Carras wrote: many "third" world countries do too.. if he had enough money to travel , he should just gone to cuba and got great health care.. also here in Argentina croatia is hardly "first world country", and has free health care. we're talking about a country that was in a huge war 10 years ago. lol@usa | ||
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