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OFCORPSE
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden355 Posts
June 21 2011 22:38 GMT
#241
On June 22 2011 07:31 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
maybe instead of robbing a bank he might get a job


Would you hire a 59 years old man with two ruptured discs, some type of "growth" on his chest and problems with his left foot? I think he need medical help before he can find a job, and how can he get medical help without insurance, which he would get if he had money? Did you just read the title or what?
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
June 21 2011 22:39 GMT
#242
On June 22 2011 07:25 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
I didn't say that the ideas are wrong, they are just insufficient. The pursuit of happiness if just colorful language, happiness isn't a pursuit, the real promise is "a pursuit that makes you happy" which is beautiful, but still not enough.


the right to pursue, uh, a pursuit that makes you happy isn't of vital importance?

that's so many freedoms rolled up into one that i disagree.

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I never said anything about working within the system as it stands, I never even said I was liberal, I just said that health care is a human right.


i didnt say you were a liberal either, i was just pointing out that nationalized healthcare may not be so conglomerate free

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If you do not believe that ideals and cultures have evolved since the constitution was written then we disagree and cannot come to agreeable terms. I believe that we are evolving constantly and our system no longer holds relevance in too many areas to serve us all equally, or correctly.


i disagree, i believe that the ideas in the declaration of independence, the preamble to the constitution, the bill of rights, and the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments speak to true human ideals in their political and legal relations with their government and fellow citizens.

and that they are just as necessary and important today as they were in 1776, 1787, 1865, and 1866.

i do believe that cultures and ideals evolve and that the constitution and its amendments have wonderfully expressed that while still emphasizing timeless and universal ideas of liberty and freedom

i dont think we need to look to the constitution at all to solve the health insurance problem in this country, reasonable legislation from the congress and state assemblies can do the trick i think

Show nested quote +
it's two totally different issues.


no no i meant that i think belgium has just as much belief in and respect for individual initiative and freedom as the united states

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I have no knowledge of the American healthcare other than that's it very bad )


is it?

stuff like this makes americans not want to listen to anyone else if our healthcare is very bad please stop coming to our mayo clinic and other facilities that rich foreigners are always coming to


I, no longer am satisfied with the promises of the constitution. Every single thing you mentioned is in fact, very important to me, I am not anti-american, I just know we can do better.

The system isn't sustainable. The checks and balances are too manipulable.

For 200 years, the constitution and the resulting institutions have been repeatedly raped by the truly rich. The government and its aims are the by-product of the constitution that is what needs an entire revamping.

Of course, human rights are not something I hold issue with, this entire thread is an issue of human rights, as far as I'm concerned.
Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
June 21 2011 22:47 GMT
#243
On June 22 2011 06:41 Irrelevant wrote:
So glad, I abuse the fuck out of the system and get free medical from welfare, this year alone my wife's medical bills would have been several hundred thousand dollars, but we haven't paid a dime out of pocket.


This can't be true. If your wife had a medical condition requiring several hundred thousand dollars to treat you would not be "glad". Unless you really hate your wife
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
June 21 2011 22:48 GMT
#244
For 200 years, the constitution and the resulting institutions have been repeatedly raped by the truly rich. The government and its aims are the by-product of the constitution that is what needs an entire revamping.


Well I must disagree, I'm pretty sure the last 200 years have seen the poor and the middle class lifted higher, faster, and with more solid foundation than ever in history in the countries that have made the greatest strides in development. And those are the countries that favor capitalism.

I suggest we allow the system that has produced so much be allowed to keep giving us the good life, and that the good life may spread to all of the world that does not have it yet.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
June 21 2011 22:49 GMT
#245
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 22 2011 07:33 Mauldo wrote:
1) Limit the amount of money that the Pharmaceutical companies can charge for a pill. I don't care if it took your 50 million dollars to design the pill, you don't have to make 50 million of those LIFESAVING PILLS and charge 100 bucks each. I'm a good American, and I love making a profit off of something I made, but profiting by making the dangerously ill sell their homes and an extra kidney is ludicrous.

2) Keep Obamacare, at least up to the part where Insurance companies are getting forced to not do that "pre-existing condition" bullshit. And they can't artificially raise premiums on people who have developed a chronic illness to force them from their plan. Don't tell me it didn't happen, I've seen the articles and the interviews. And that's what happens when you've allowed capitalism to infect the business of safeguarding life. People are killed to make a few bucks.

3) Allow people to buy into Tri-Care, the current form of insurance for the American military. I'm currently on it, and it's awesome. There's no dental, but fuck. When you get basically any major surgery for a simple 20 dollar co-pay, and every medicine you could ever need for either a 3 or 6 dollar co-pay, it's awesome. Once I'm out of undergraduate school, I could stay in Tri-Care if I agreed to a premium of $1,000 a quarter. That's a flat $4,000 a year to be on some pretty damned awesome insurance. If I had that money, and wasn't a poor ass college student, I wouldn't hesitate. If the government could offer that to me, and I'm the dependent of retired Air Force, then there's no reason why they can't offer similar to the American people at large.

4) Introduce Tort Reform. It's ridiculous how American "Sue and Counter-Sue" culture has become. Long gone are the days where if your neighbor broke a post in the fence he would fucking just repair the fence. Now you have to sue him to fix it (but, obviously, the plantiff has only given the defendant a month to fix it, but everyone's douches here apparently) and there's got to be a counter-claim about how the tree in their yard blocks light from some important room and BLAH BLAH BLAH.

This, of course, translates into a woman getting 50 million dollars because a doctor left a sponge in her stomach cavity. Nothing was harmed, and the hospital paid for the procedure to take it out, and obviously offered a settlement in line with her...you know..having to be cut open again...but no. The woman gets 50 million dollars. That's ludicrous. People should get money if they're damaged like that, but there's a reason why there's a doctor shortage. No small part of it is the 300,000 dollars in student loan debt followed by exorbitant malpractice insurance costs. Don't tell me that the doctors deserve to pay those outlandish costs, because they don't.

4) Make accepting Medicare and Medicaid easier. There was a report by the AP that talked about a study done in Illinois. Children who were on state insurance were forced to wait for life saving specialists up to a month or two months longer than those children with private insurance. When your child has a "Holy shit, heart tumor" problem and the cardiologist says "Sorry, I have to make you wait a month and a half" while he squeezes in the private insurance baby two weeks from when they called there's something wrong.

And no, it's not discrimination against the poor. It's the fact that going through all of the hoops for Medicare and Medicaid is fucking annoying and time consuming and completely unwarranted. There's all of that work and paperwork, and you're not even guaranteed to get all of your costs back.

I'm all for helping poor people, I promise. I grew up living pay check to pay check and learning how to eat Mustard/Ketchup sandwiches when we couldn't afford the two dollar lumps of "Ham and Cheese Loaf," which is as disgusting as it sounds. My mother went on WIC when she had my littlest brother, and she came off of it promptly when he turned one. She only ever took outright government assistance in Welfare when she cut up her hand in the glass factory she was working in and so couldn't work there or in the second job she had. She was on it for a year, and jumped right back off when she got a job with the school district.

I've never really known what it's like to have all of my expenses "cared for." It's just never worked out that way for me, especially now that I'm in college. I may have scholarships, which have saved me from ten thousands of dollars worth of debt, but I can't work when I'm taking a full course load of 18 hours. I'm constantly living with the idea of stretching out the 1,000 dollars I get from my scholarships to live on for 4 bloody months a semester. Yeah, I remember those London riots that the students had. They were over what, having to pay 5,000 dollars a year or a semester for schooling? Lulz, I would be paying $10,000 a semester ($20,000 an academic year) for schooling if I didn't have scholarships. And that's the normal thing around here in America.

I say all of that to shore up any claim that I'm just "out of touch" or "don't know what I'm talking about." No, I do. I know what it's like to not be able to get sick because your mom can't afford to take you to the hospital. I know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck for most of my life. I also know what it's like to have quality health insurance in Tricare, and I know the fear that's pulsing through me when I turn 22 and I'm thrown off of it. No one should have to be in constant fear of being sick.

Government subsidized healthcare would at least ease that pain. Give everyone a fucking 200 dollar tax credit for healthcare insurance, and be done with it. Give them that, give them the option to buy into TriCare, and do the other stuff I called for up above. All of that, and I'm only 21 years old. Damn. I should be a politician or something.


just for your first reason about the pill companies charging a bunch for their developed meds. Why shouldn't they? If people are willing to pay for the product then they should charge as much as they feel they can without the demand dropping.

The price could be reduced by more competition perhaps to help drive the cost lower.

But if a company has the only cure to brain cancer and no other company has it then yes, it will cost TONS. If 20 companies had an effect cure then the price would drop drastically. (unless of course they all work together to keep it high )
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 22:51:59
June 21 2011 22:50 GMT
#246
On June 22 2011 07:22 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 07:10 domovoi wrote:
On June 22 2011 07:02 Euronyme wrote:
The investment banker with no sence of worth in human life said that every European country has a worse debt / gdp than USA, which isn't true, and even if it was, we have less of a military producing a fuckton of useless GDP.
Making humvees contributes to the GDP, but not to the quality of living.

Well someone still needs to be paid to make them. That increases that person's quality of living for sure. Not to say that there aren't better uses of the money, but it's wrong to say it's "useless" GDP.


It's tax money paying for bogus jobs -.-'
If the government hired 200 million people to make airplanes that are too heavy to lift, then sure, you've just improved the quality of life for 200 million people, and your GDP is through the roof..
That's like the definition of useless lmao.

If all your country is doing is making useless planes, in fact your GDP is zero, as your currency is worthless. On the other hand, there are some stimulative effects of paying some people to dig up holes and fill them in, though again, I don't think this is the most efficient use of such money. And I would definitely agree that paying people to shoot other people is often more than useless. Making humvees alone is not useless GDP though.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
June 21 2011 22:51 GMT
#247
The world probably spends more money on the prison system then with the educational one.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 22:55:32
June 21 2011 22:52 GMT
#248
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 22 2011 07:33 Mauldo wrote:
1) Limit the amount of money that the Pharmaceutical companies can charge for a pill. I don't care if it took your 50 million dollars to design the pill, you don't have to make 50 million of those LIFESAVING PILLS and charge 100 bucks each. I'm a good American, and I love making a profit off of something I made, but profiting by making the dangerously ill sell their homes and an extra kidney is ludicrous.

2) Keep Obamacare, at least up to the part where Insurance companies are getting forced to not do that "pre-existing condition" bullshit. And they can't artificially raise premiums on people who have developed a chronic illness to force them from their plan. Don't tell me it didn't happen, I've seen the articles and the interviews. And that's what happens when you've allowed capitalism to infect the business of safeguarding life. People are killed to make a few bucks.

3) Allow people to buy into Tri-Care, the current form of insurance for the American military. I'm currently on it, and it's awesome. There's no dental, but fuck. When you get basically any major surgery for a simple 20 dollar co-pay, and every medicine you could ever need for either a 3 or 6 dollar co-pay, it's awesome. Once I'm out of undergraduate school, I could stay in Tri-Care if I agreed to a premium of $1,000 a quarter. That's a flat $4,000 a year to be on some pretty damned awesome insurance. If I had that money, and wasn't a poor ass college student, I wouldn't hesitate. If the government could offer that to me, and I'm the dependent of retired Air Force, then there's no reason why they can't offer similar to the American people at large.

4) Introduce Tort Reform. It's ridiculous how American "Sue and Counter-Sue" culture has become. Long gone are the days where if your neighbor broke a post in the fence he would fucking just repair the fence. Now you have to sue him to fix it (but, obviously, the plantiff has only given the defendant a month to fix it, but everyone's douches here apparently) and there's got to be a counter-claim about how the tree in their yard blocks light from some important room and BLAH BLAH BLAH.

This, of course, translates into a woman getting 50 million dollars because a doctor left a sponge in her stomach cavity. Nothing was harmed, and the hospital paid for the procedure to take it out, and obviously offered a settlement in line with her...you know..having to be cut open again...but no. The woman gets 50 million dollars. That's ludicrous. People should get money if they're damaged like that, but there's a reason why there's a doctor shortage. No small part of it is the 300,000 dollars in student loan debt followed by exorbitant malpractice insurance costs. Don't tell me that the doctors deserve to pay those outlandish costs, because they don't.

4) Make accepting Medicare and Medicaid easier. There was a report by the AP that talked about a study done in Illinois. Children who were on state insurance were forced to wait for life saving specialists up to a month or two months longer than those children with private insurance. When your child has a "Holy shit, heart tumor" problem and the cardiologist says "Sorry, I have to make you wait a month and a half" while he squeezes in the private insurance baby two weeks from when they called there's something wrong.

And no, it's not discrimination against the poor. It's the fact that going through all of the hoops for Medicare and Medicaid is fucking annoying and time consuming and completely unwarranted. There's all of that work and paperwork, and you're not even guaranteed to get all of your costs back.

I'm all for helping poor people, I promise. I grew up living pay check to pay check and learning how to eat Mustard/Ketchup sandwiches when we couldn't afford the two dollar lumps of "Ham and Cheese Loaf," which is as disgusting as it sounds. My mother went on WIC when she had my littlest brother, and she came off of it promptly when he turned one. She only ever took outright government assistance in Welfare when she cut up her hand in the glass factory she was working in and so couldn't work there or in the second job she had. She was on it for a year, and jumped right back off when she got a job with the school district.

I've never really known what it's like to have all of my expenses "cared for." It's just never worked out that way for me, especially now that I'm in college. I may have scholarships, which have saved me from ten thousands of dollars worth of debt, but I can't work when I'm taking a full course load of 18 hours. I'm constantly living with the idea of stretching out the 1,000 dollars I get from my scholarships to live on for 4 bloody months a semester. Yeah, I remember those London riots that the students had. They were over what, having to pay 5,000 dollars a year or a semester for schooling? Lulz, I would be paying $10,000 a semester ($20,000 an academic year) for schooling if I didn't have scholarships. And that's the normal thing around here in America.

I say all of that to shore up any claim that I'm just "out of touch" or "don't know what I'm talking about." No, I do. I know what it's like to not be able to get sick because your mom can't afford to take you to the hospital. I know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck for most of my life. I also know what it's like to have quality health insurance in Tricare, and I know the fear that's pulsing through me when I turn 22 and I'm thrown off of it. No one should have to be in constant fear of being sick.

Government subsidized healthcare would at least ease that pain. Give everyone a fucking 200 dollar tax credit for healthcare insurance, and be done with it. Give them that, give them the option to buy into TriCare, and do the other stuff I called for up above. All of that, and I'm only 21 years old. Damn. I should be a politician or something.


These things just make me realize how fundamentally different the countrys are.

Setting aside all the arguing now,in my eyes,a system that forces people to live in constant fear of debt because of things we take for granted here over sees is truly stomach turning.
I cant even begin to imagine how its possible for a kid to be in his early 20s and have a 5 to 6 figure debt hanging over his head because of basic things like health care and education.

I know its not my place to critique something that i do not fully understand and things are fucked up in my country as well,but all i can say is i feel sorry for every American that has to live like this.
Cackle™
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
June 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#249
On June 22 2011 07:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
For 200 years, the constitution and the resulting institutions have been repeatedly raped by the truly rich. The government and its aims are the by-product of the constitution that is what needs an entire revamping.


Well I must disagree, I'm pretty sure the last 200 years have seen the poor and the middle class lifted higher, faster, and with more solid foundation than ever in history in the countries that have made the greatest strides in development. And those are the countries that favor capitalism.

I suggest we allow the system that has produced so much be allowed to keep giving us the good life, and that the good life may spread to all of the world that does not have it yet.



I'm pretty sure that our government doesn't even own the dollars we use and pays to spend its own money.

MotorDouglas
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil66 Posts
June 21 2011 22:55 GMT
#250
instead of investing in fucking nuclear bombs, they should try investing in healtcare.......
i can't come up with something witty to put here (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
June 21 2011 22:56 GMT
#251
I heard this on the radio coming home from Wisconsin it's pretty funny story.
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
June 21 2011 22:57 GMT
#252
Every time I want to go to a doctor, I feel the need to shoot somebody in the face. One time I went just to get a SIGNATURE(to verify that I have had all my vaccines), and the lady up front told me it would cost $100 to have meet the doctor. I kindly told her it was just for a quick signature, and after I realized she was an utter moron, I left and forged it myself.

A capitalist health care system needs to be removed, only problem is that our country has had it for so long that creating a universal health care system would cost too much money and piss off too many people.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#253
On June 22 2011 07:49 Eben wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 22 2011 07:33 Mauldo wrote:
1) Limit the amount of money that the Pharmaceutical companies can charge for a pill. I don't care if it took your 50 million dollars to design the pill, you don't have to make 50 million of those LIFESAVING PILLS and charge 100 bucks each. I'm a good American, and I love making a profit off of something I made, but profiting by making the dangerously ill sell their homes and an extra kidney is ludicrous.

2) Keep Obamacare, at least up to the part where Insurance companies are getting forced to not do that "pre-existing condition" bullshit. And they can't artificially raise premiums on people who have developed a chronic illness to force them from their plan. Don't tell me it didn't happen, I've seen the articles and the interviews. And that's what happens when you've allowed capitalism to infect the business of safeguarding life. People are killed to make a few bucks.

3) Allow people to buy into Tri-Care, the current form of insurance for the American military. I'm currently on it, and it's awesome. There's no dental, but fuck. When you get basically any major surgery for a simple 20 dollar co-pay, and every medicine you could ever need for either a 3 or 6 dollar co-pay, it's awesome. Once I'm out of undergraduate school, I could stay in Tri-Care if I agreed to a premium of $1,000 a quarter. That's a flat $4,000 a year to be on some pretty damned awesome insurance. If I had that money, and wasn't a poor ass college student, I wouldn't hesitate. If the government could offer that to me, and I'm the dependent of retired Air Force, then there's no reason why they can't offer similar to the American people at large.

4) Introduce Tort Reform. It's ridiculous how American "Sue and Counter-Sue" culture has become. Long gone are the days where if your neighbor broke a post in the fence he would fucking just repair the fence. Now you have to sue him to fix it (but, obviously, the plantiff has only given the defendant a month to fix it, but everyone's douches here apparently) and there's got to be a counter-claim about how the tree in their yard blocks light from some important room and BLAH BLAH BLAH.

This, of course, translates into a woman getting 50 million dollars because a doctor left a sponge in her stomach cavity. Nothing was harmed, and the hospital paid for the procedure to take it out, and obviously offered a settlement in line with her...you know..having to be cut open again...but no. The woman gets 50 million dollars. That's ludicrous. People should get money if they're damaged like that, but there's a reason why there's a doctor shortage. No small part of it is the 300,000 dollars in student loan debt followed by exorbitant malpractice insurance costs. Don't tell me that the doctors deserve to pay those outlandish costs, because they don't.

4) Make accepting Medicare and Medicaid easier. There was a report by the AP that talked about a study done in Illinois. Children who were on state insurance were forced to wait for life saving specialists up to a month or two months longer than those children with private insurance. When your child has a "Holy shit, heart tumor" problem and the cardiologist says "Sorry, I have to make you wait a month and a half" while he squeezes in the private insurance baby two weeks from when they called there's something wrong.

And no, it's not discrimination against the poor. It's the fact that going through all of the hoops for Medicare and Medicaid is fucking annoying and time consuming and completely unwarranted. There's all of that work and paperwork, and you're not even guaranteed to get all of your costs back.

I'm all for helping poor people, I promise. I grew up living pay check to pay check and learning how to eat Mustard/Ketchup sandwiches when we couldn't afford the two dollar lumps of "Ham and Cheese Loaf," which is as disgusting as it sounds. My mother went on WIC when she had my littlest brother, and she came off of it promptly when he turned one. She only ever took outright government assistance in Welfare when she cut up her hand in the glass factory she was working in and so couldn't work there or in the second job she had. She was on it for a year, and jumped right back off when she got a job with the school district.

I've never really known what it's like to have all of my expenses "cared for." It's just never worked out that way for me, especially now that I'm in college. I may have scholarships, which have saved me from ten thousands of dollars worth of debt, but I can't work when I'm taking a full course load of 18 hours. I'm constantly living with the idea of stretching out the 1,000 dollars I get from my scholarships to live on for 4 bloody months a semester. Yeah, I remember those London riots that the students had. They were over what, having to pay 5,000 dollars a year or a semester for schooling? Lulz, I would be paying $10,000 a semester ($20,000 an academic year) for schooling if I didn't have scholarships. And that's the normal thing around here in America.

I say all of that to shore up any claim that I'm just "out of touch" or "don't know what I'm talking about." No, I do. I know what it's like to not be able to get sick because your mom can't afford to take you to the hospital. I know what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck for most of my life. I also know what it's like to have quality health insurance in Tricare, and I know the fear that's pulsing through me when I turn 22 and I'm thrown off of it. No one should have to be in constant fear of being sick.

Government subsidized healthcare would at least ease that pain. Give everyone a fucking 200 dollar tax credit for healthcare insurance, and be done with it. Give them that, give them the option to buy into TriCare, and do the other stuff I called for up above. All of that, and I'm only 21 years old. Damn. I should be a politician or something.


just for your first reason about the pill companies charging a bunch for their developed meds. Why shouldn't they? If people are willing to pay for the product then they should charge as much as they feel they can without the demand dropping.

The price could be reduced by more competition perhaps to help drive the cost lower.

But if a company has the only cure to brain cancer and no other company has it then yes, it will cost TONS. If 20 companies had an effect cure then the price would drop drastically. (unless of course they all work together to keep it high )

Do you understand how patents work?
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StrangrDangr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States291 Posts
June 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#254
1) Limit the amount of money that the Pharmaceutical companies can charge for a pill. I don't care if it took your 50 million dollars to design the pill, you don't have to make 50 million of those LIFESAVING PILLS and charge 100 bucks each.


What about the other 100 pills they spent $50 million on that turned out to be useless, should medical research be a pursuit that loses money? Maybe the cost is exorbitant, but how else will we puruade the best and the brightest to work for such an important goal.

4) Make accepting Medicare and Medicaid easier. There was a report by the AP that talked about a study done in Illinois. Children who were on state insurance were forced to wait for life saving specialists up to a month or two months longer than those children with private insurance. When your child has a "Holy shit, heart tumor" problem and the cardiologist says "Sorry, I have to make you wait a month and a half" while he squeezes in the private insurance baby two weeks from when they called there's something wrong.


Many doctors would not accept Medicare at all if they were allowed. They get paid much less than they would through other means. Of course when Doctors are working 110+ hour work weeks and get over $100,000 in debt from medical school I find it hard to blame them for wanting acceptable compensation.
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Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 21 2011 23:02 GMT
#255
On June 22 2011 07:38 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 07:31 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
maybe instead of robbing a bank he might get a job


Would you hire a 59 years old man with two ruptured discs, some type of "growth" on his chest and problems with his left foot? I think he need medical help before he can find a job, and how can he get medical help without insurance, which he would get if he had money? Did you just read the title or what?


Yet he can afford a condo when he leaves prison.
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LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
June 21 2011 23:09 GMT
#256
On June 22 2011 07:37 pirates wrote:
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On June 22 2011 07:31 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
maybe instead of robbing a bank he might get a job

maybe instead of robbing a bank he should actually read the OP.

i understand where this guy is coming from. i have never been to a doctor/dentist or any physician. it is outrageously expensive. a trip to the dentist can run you 2-6k EASILY, how do they expect you to be able to pay for this up front with no assistance?

point out the part of the OP you think i missed, please

also, you should get a job that provides insurance - that's what i did to remedy that situation

On June 22 2011 07:38 OFCORPSE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 07:31 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
maybe instead of robbing a bank he might get a job


Would you hire a 59 years old man with two ruptured discs, some type of "growth" on his chest and problems with his left foot? I think he need medical help before he can find a job, and how can he get medical help without insurance, which he would get if he had money? Did you just read the title or what?


i legally would not be able to turn him down for employment due to those issues unless they would literally prevent him from doing the work he applied for - plenty of handicapped old men work at wal-mart



what's with people not understanding that you need to do work to get anywhere in life?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 21 2011 23:13 GMT
#257
Wow, read about this briefly today in the morning, but didn't realize it was one dollar.

Still weird--this is probably the first news article related to my town posted on TL.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
June 21 2011 23:14 GMT
#258
good thing we dont have to pay for people like him
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#259
This guy didn't even do his research on how much money you have to demand in order for it to be robbery?

On the healthcare topic, people are really overstating how 'bad' it is in the states. Yes, insurance companies are messed up, and if you don't have insurance it's pretty bad. But people are pretending that every American is walking around diseased and injured with no one to save them.

Sorry, but no health care system is perfect. Not in Europe, not in Canada, not in South America.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 23:22:48
June 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#260
On June 22 2011 07:58 StrangrDangr wrote:
Show nested quote +
1) Limit the amount of money that the Pharmaceutical companies can charge for a pill. I don't care if it took your 50 million dollars to design the pill, you don't have to make 50 million of those LIFESAVING PILLS and charge 100 bucks each.


What about the other 100 pills they spent $50 million on that turned out to be useless, should medical research be a pursuit that loses money? Maybe the cost is exorbitant, but how else will we puruade the best and the brightest to work for such an important goal.

Show nested quote +
4) Make accepting Medicare and Medicaid easier. There was a report by the AP that talked about a study done in Illinois. Children who were on state insurance were forced to wait for life saving specialists up to a month or two months longer than those children with private insurance. When your child has a "Holy shit, heart tumor" problem and the cardiologist says "Sorry, I have to make you wait a month and a half" while he squeezes in the private insurance baby two weeks from when they called there's something wrong.


Many doctors would not accept Medicare at all if they were allowed. They get paid much less than they would through other means. Of course when Doctors are working 110+ hour work weeks and get over $100,000 in debt from medical school I find it hard to blame them for wanting acceptable compensation.


just wondering, what doctors work 22 hours a day? (and dont doctors get paid around 180,000 a year after a few years?)
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