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Please read the topic before responding to the title. The film has been cut and given a rating, it is no longer banned. - KwarK |
On June 09 2011 12:26 Talack wrote:Alot of people in this thread didn't read why they banned it. It should be banned. There should be a line drawn somewhere where you're not just making a movie that's disgusting and violent for only that sake. The first film was a clever idea and a new twist on mad-scientist scenario, the second one is just disgusting sounding. It's just 3 people being mutilated and tortured while a guy jerks off while mutilating himself and performing some really sick sexual acts. I guess people will stick up for anything even if it doesn't deserve to be stuck up for...It's like advocating child porn is free-speech even though it's absolutley horrible and has no place in society 
You compare it to child porn, and another person compared it to snuff films.
Can't you see what's wrong with those comparisons?
The only thing I like about these movies, having never seen them, is that they apparently provoke people to support the notion of "thought-crimes". No one was actually hurt in the making of these movies, you can't claim otherwise. It's a bad enactment of the most twisted imagining, but it is just an enactment.
They're gross and pointless. I would agree with anyone who would want to not see these films. Other horror films are more intriguing, better written, better made. Sure. But it doesn't matter, what your tastes are or what your intellectual level is. Everyone should be allowed to have their entertainment if it doesn't hurt anyone else. No one is forced to watch this. If it doesn't have a place in your quasi-capitalist society, it will quickly just go away.
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On June 09 2011 10:47 gosuMalicE wrote:If you think this movie is bad go watch Cannibal Holocaust http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_Holocaust yeah beat that. (Yes I have seen it in theater and it is as disturbing/fascinating as it sounds)
I just read the whole plot section of that link and to be honest it doesn't even sound 1/2 as bad as human centipede. Anyone else agree?
Edit: Although I have to give you the fact that I've seen neither, just clips on the OP.
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As a pretty big horror film buff I've never been interested in seeing The Human Centipede, nor will I be interested in seeing the sequel. Something about it just seems... boring and unintriguing. However I disagree with the second film being banned. The "this shit is disgusting and gratuitous" argument just doesn't really hold water because you could apply it (often, mistakenly) to anything that you find disgusting and gratuitous. Maybe there's more artistic meaning. Maybe there isn't. One truth is that some people are simply entertained by disgusting gore. Maybe they get some vicarious thrill out of it. Maybe they're just morbidly curious. It doesn't make them bad people, nor does it indicate anything morally wrong with a society that allows such media to be accessible to people who want to experience it. It's just fake, stupid entertainment.
Oh, and since people are trying to draw comparisons in terms of pure disgust factor, I would urge people to read about the August Underground series. Haven't seen them, but I've heard some pretty insane things about them.
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just why..
why film this.. why would somebody watch this. humankind fail.
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The first movie was hilarious and I expect the second to be even more hilarious. The movie is just so ridiculous that I have no idea how people can actually take it seriously.
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If no crime was commited in the making of it why would there be a reason to ban it?
On June 09 2011 12:40 Leporello wrote:
The only thing I like about these movies, having never seen them, is that they apparently provoke people to support the notion of "thought-crimes".
Ahhhhh, cool.
Yea the british censor cinema a fair bit, A clockwork orange and straw dogs come to mind, but loads used to have to be cut to get past the British censors, I have no idea if it still goes on.
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On June 09 2011 13:23 anycolourfloyd wrote:
just why..
why film this.. why would somebody watch this. humankind fail.
They reason people watch most horror movies is to feel scared or even grossed out, but the movie shouldn't be judge by the vast amount of people as bad or stupid for the solo reason of it's content even if you don't enjoy a movie doesn't mean it's bad I've watched several horror films and been completely grossed out and would never watch them again, but that doesn't mean i thought the movies were bad some of them are really well done with a good (but sick) story the directing has really been out standing and made me go wow, just because i didn't enjoy the movie based on it's contents doesn't mean it's any worse than the next movie.
I don't believe this movie should be banned seems rather over the top there are plenty of movies that sound rather on scale with this movie in being brutal and disgusting,(i haven't watched it but i have read a fair bit about it) it comes down to my belief that people can simply not watch it, no one was hurt making this movie and if anyone hurts someone over a movie they must have something really wrong with them to start with, not watching this movie wouldn't stop a person so ill from acting out something would sooner or later make them act in a similar way.
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Raises interesting questions over what speech is free. How sick is too sick? What is the role of government in restraining/restricting what is made available to the public? If the film is profitable, what standard is being used to judge it to be unacceptable?
Or even, is this censorship of art no different from those that occurred in past eras for political or religious reasons?
and poses a real, as opposed to a fanciful, risk that harm is likely to be caused to potential viewers."
Dubious claim, I must say
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Tempted to watch... but I won't lol
thanks for the warning
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I find this interesting in that there recently have been discussions regarding the usage of taboo words in the community and the majority seemed to agree that there were behaviors that should not be tolerated. Obviously the difference here is that it's a government (or part of a government) that's doing the banning.
I personally love ostracism as a way for society to decide what's acceptable behavior without laws. Just because something isn't or shouldn't be illegal doesn't necessarily mean you should do it. Societies may be too diverse these days though to form cohesive opinions. It's very difficult to balance majority rule with minority rights.
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Hrm, i guess this is a good thing lol because that movie sounds like it is god awful. But i do think that people should have the right to see it.... but it does just sound like a glorified 2 girls 1 cup... So i would agree that it is not "good" to watch, but i don't think that means they should censor it.
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On June 09 2011 12:40 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 12:26 Talack wrote:Alot of people in this thread didn't read why they banned it. It should be banned. There should be a line drawn somewhere where you're not just making a movie that's disgusting and violent for only that sake. The first film was a clever idea and a new twist on mad-scientist scenario, the second one is just disgusting sounding. It's just 3 people being mutilated and tortured while a guy jerks off while mutilating himself and performing some really sick sexual acts. I guess people will stick up for anything even if it doesn't deserve to be stuck up for...It's like advocating child porn is free-speech even though it's absolutley horrible and has no place in society You compare it to child porn, and another person compared it to snuff films. Can't you see what's wrong with those comparisons? The only thing I like about these movies, having never seen them, is that they apparently provoke people to support the notion of "thought-crimes". No one was actually hurt in the making of these movies, you can't claim otherwise. It's a bad enactment of the most twisted imagining, but it is just an enactment. They're gross and pointless. I would agree with anyone who would want to not see these films. Other horror films are more intriguing, better written, better made. Sure. But it doesn't matter, what your tastes are or what your intellectual level is. Everyone should be allowed to have their entertainment if it doesn't hurt anyone else. No one is forced to watch this. If it doesn't have a place in your quasi-capitalist society, it will quickly just go away.
Does it matter? You can have a 4 hour marathon of faked child porn where the actresses are actually 18, or maybe fake snuff films and just pile 'em up.
The thing is the movie's idea is simply too fucking bad to be allowed to show on cinema. If you show this you might as well put up anything, and I've always seen cinema as something somewhat classy.
There's a line to be drawn on what should be shown there. If it's too disgusting without a purpose or reason and isn't well made, I don't see the point in showing it there.
You can still find it on the internet if you want to see it.
Truth be told not every film ever made has been showed on british cinema. I don't see the big deal.
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On June 09 2011 15:25 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 12:40 Leporello wrote:On June 09 2011 12:26 Talack wrote:Alot of people in this thread didn't read why they banned it. It should be banned. There should be a line drawn somewhere where you're not just making a movie that's disgusting and violent for only that sake. The first film was a clever idea and a new twist on mad-scientist scenario, the second one is just disgusting sounding. It's just 3 people being mutilated and tortured while a guy jerks off while mutilating himself and performing some really sick sexual acts. I guess people will stick up for anything even if it doesn't deserve to be stuck up for...It's like advocating child porn is free-speech even though it's absolutley horrible and has no place in society You compare it to child porn, and another person compared it to snuff films. Can't you see what's wrong with those comparisons? The only thing I like about these movies, having never seen them, is that they apparently provoke people to support the notion of "thought-crimes". No one was actually hurt in the making of these movies, you can't claim otherwise. It's a bad enactment of the most twisted imagining, but it is just an enactment. They're gross and pointless. I would agree with anyone who would want to not see these films. Other horror films are more intriguing, better written, better made. Sure. But it doesn't matter, what your tastes are or what your intellectual level is. Everyone should be allowed to have their entertainment if it doesn't hurt anyone else. No one is forced to watch this. If it doesn't have a place in your quasi-capitalist society, it will quickly just go away. Does it matter? You can have a 4 hour marathon of faked child porn where the actresses are actually 18, or maybe fake snuff films and just pile 'em up. The thing is the movie's idea is simply too fucking bad to be allowed to show on cinema. If you show this you might as well put up anything, and I've always seen cinema as something somewhat classy. There's a line to be drawn on what should be shown there. If it's too disgusting without a purpose or reason and isn't well made, I don't see the point in showing it there. You can still find it on the internet if you want to see it. Truth be told not every film ever made has been showed on british cinema. I don't see the big deal.
That's just your subjective and personal opinion though. Censorship and government involvement in people's personal lives serves no purpose but for them to exercise unnecessary power, that is far more abhorrent than any horror movie. If you don't want to watch it that's your choice, and in that case you're not exposed to it.
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Whoa. This certainly was one those movies I didn't expect to get a sequel.
Since it did however - I will most likely be watching it.
It can't be worse than "The Last Airbender" tho.
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Guys, have you even read the OP? This movie is going to be fake (but still real-looking I suppose) version of 2 Gils 1 Cup and 1 Guy 1 Jar combined.
I don't mind horrors, I understand freedom of speech, but there are things that should not be shown or viewed. And I believe that there's quite a few people who'll go to this movie without knowing what it is or will be tricked by their friends or something. I say that british government's move here is justified. Saving even 3 people from trauma of being exposed to this garbage on accident or through lack of knowledge is worth thousands of people disappointed that they're not going to see it in the cinema or blurting about free speech left and right.
Free speech should have its limits, especially when it's not trying to convey anything of value.
And the "thought crime" argument... Please, coming up with an idea for such a movie already IS a crime in my opinion. I have absolutely no idea how on earth this movie got its funding...
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Personally, Im fine with it being banned. Call me an optimist, but I dont think censoring some things will end the world lol.
But I think in general this disagreement of censorship actually creates a nice balance of censorship. I think most of us (or at least I) feel that an extreme on both sides would end up being a bad thing. Complete freedom or complete censorship.
On June 08 2011 18:47 JiYan wrote:
ugh this was a terrible thread to see before going off to bed. seriously.
I agree lol.
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I can't wait until it comes out. Not that I'm going to watch the film itself. I can't wait for the South Park episode covering it, HUMANCENTiPAD 2 would be great!
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On June 09 2011 07:40 Gnial wrote:
You can't have sex with a 12 year old that consented. (unless you live in Holland) Or watch a video of a 12 year old having sex that consented. (once again, Holland) Or have sex with animals even if Spot gives you the nod and a tail wag. Or assisted suicide. Or watch snuff films. Or... the list goes on.
Not sure what kind of image you have of Holland (the preferred English name for our country is The Netherlands btw, Holland only describes the 2 most populated provinces), but those things are definitely not allowed here. Consented sex is only legal from age 16.
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On June 08 2011 23:56 Cel.erity wrote:
If there is a movie in which nobody is hurt during the making of, and it provides entertainment for some, then it is a positive thing whether you like it or not. You are not forced or even encouraged to watch it, so why should you care whether it exists?
I'm going to watch the movie. Am I going to enjoy it? No. Am I going to be disgusted by it? Probably. That's the entire fucking point of watching the movie. Some of the people in this thread act like anyone who watches stuff like this is jacking off to it with sandpaper. That is not the case. Sometimes it feels good to be shocked or disgusted or terrified for a couple hours. Maybe not for everyone, but why should it be your job or the government's job to judge what others watch?
Personally, you know what I think should be banned? All those sites with real gore. People who committed suicide, having amputations, eating human flesh, etc. I think people who look at that stuff are messed up, because those are pictures of people getting really hurt, not fake blood and special effects. The world of fiction is a completely different animal.
Your argument does not apply to the publishing of suicide stories due to statistics showing a causative link between suicide stories and copycat suicides. Although I don't know who would want to copy shit-eating.
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