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Don't worry supamang, you know you're right. The video you posted is hardly racist, but it's still more racist than the topic at hand.
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On June 01 2011 21:45 FrogOfWar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 20:17 funk100 wrote:
... even though Cadburys probably didn't know that name "chocolate bar" name calling had been happening.
The interesting question is that should Cadburys be considered responsible for the advert having implications they did not make the ad for?...? How do you know that? If you want to get people's opinions, don't make such a biased representation of the story plz? Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 20:19 Jayme wrote:SO it's racist now to point out that someone has the same color skin as a chocolate bar?  Nope, but calling them one is. "Pointing out" is a ridiculous choice of words. They're not "pointing out" anything, they're making fun of her based on her skin color. Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 20:20 Megatronn wrote:
This is just dumb, chocolate bar is now a racial slur?... According to the article and the OP, it's not "now" a racial slur but has been one for some time. But you're right, it's dumb for the company to use it. Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 21:22 Cyba wrote:
... At any rate it's nowhere near your link imo, since chocolate has no demeaning conotations as cracker does.
... No, none at all, except the minor implication that you're a cute lifeless object for others to fool around with. So funny. In pretty much all Western societies there are ethnic minorities who are disadvantaged and discriminated against in all manners possible. They have a harder time finding a flat and a job, they're underrepresented in higher positions, they're poorer, they're imprisoned more, they're frequently treated like shit by some people for no reason other than their looks. And yet, here are our right-wingers claiming that anti-racism has gone too far. And they never notice anything. But at least the name "Bliss" is appropriate, as we know what they say about ignorance.
Only making fun of her part was calling joining her name in the same phrase as diva. Your entire post is the quintessence of overreacting to something innocent.
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She'll have to prove racist intent and that's going to be a tough sell here.
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On the one hand I don't really agree that there's anything to take offense over...
On the other hand, Cadburry should have seen that coming a million miles away. As much as we like to think we're beyond racism in this country people are still very sensitive to anything that could possibly be construed as being racially motivated. We're also spectacularly litigious and unnaturally obsessed with political correctness.
So yeah...get over yourself Naomi but at the same time...Cadburry = derp.
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It's got nothing to do with the colour of the chocolate bar. She's completely missed the point and then taken it beyond far. Holy fuck are people stupid.
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On June 01 2011 22:24 Albrithe wrote:
Don't worry supamang, you know you're right. The video you posted is hardly racist, but it's still more racist than the topic at hand.
Thank you...finally someone gets my original post. And it took someone on the same continent to do so.
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On June 01 2011 22:15 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 21:54 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 21:26 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 21:22 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 21:09 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 21:05 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 20:56 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 20:45 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 20:37 Supamang wrote:Uhhh, imma let you in on something Naomi Campbell...theres way worse commercials than that jpeg youre crying over: + Show Spoiler +and this is one of the more mild ones This one is extremely mild,, as in not racist at all.. It's just a guy dancing while eating chicken... *sigh* Its pretty interesting actually. Things that dont seem like insults will become insults when 90% of people around you are making fun of you because of it. Eating rice for most of my meals never seemed like a bad thing until most of the kids around me started pointing out that difference in culture in a not so nice way. but let me guess, youre a white guy living in a predominantly white country. you would never understand what its like having the people around you making fun of your culture and drawing out stereotypes Hm,, i would say my neighbourhood is 80% people from Pakistan, Somalia, Turkey and such places.. And it has happened that i've been taunted for eating meat from swine,,because they don't. Growing up me and my fellow ¨white¨ people were always called potatoes(for reasons i still don't understand). In school there has always been atleast a 40-60% ratio of people originally from where i live and people from other places, so i've spent most of my life in a place where i've racially been part of a minority,, and i have no issues with that. And there you have it. Youve been made fun of for things like that too. So how do you not understand that the "black people eating fried chicken" stereotype is not a flattering thing to see on TV? Edit: oh and 40-60 is barely a minority. im talking about youre 1 of 5 people of that particular race so when all of the other people make fun of you for being what you are, you have no one to turn to for support. What you're talking about is bullying,, the type of people that would circle around one person and fuck with him are the kind of people who will turn anything into a negative to get to someone. When you have no one to turn to the issue is not culture being used to taunt someone,, the issue is the people and the ones who. No matter who you are, if you're alone you can always become a victim is the wrong people see you as one. If these people didnt have chicken or rice to make fun of,,then they would find something else about a persons appearance, or his family,, his style,, his music,, his eyes,, hair,,skin. People need to realize this,,culture is not racist,, it's the people that twist culture who are the racist ones. Fair enough man. And when people pick out black people eating fried chicken as the stereotype to use to bully someone, thats a problem right? Im gonna give you some slack since youre not from the US and you might not know about the "black people love fried chicken" stereotype. The thing is,, most stereotypes have some truth to them. For example, dancing is and has always been a part of the many african cultures, african americans have it in them because many of them ar part of a family that was once shipped over from africa to be slaves. So a sterotypical african loves to dance when they're happy. Now i've traveled around africa a bit and so many of them dance when they're happy, and it is honestly one of the greatest things i've seen. But if i twist it,, i can say,,africans dance like savages, they talk like monkeys and they are all beneath me. I know about the ¨black people love fried chicken¨ stereotype. Now answer me this: Do many black people like fried chicken? Is there some truth to this stereotype? Most likely. Do all black people like fried chicken? No, but most if not all stereotypes are exaggerated versions of a fact. It's important to separate stereotypes from prejudice. The stereotype that says ¨all black people love fried chicken¨ Really only means that many black people like to eat fried chicken, and that is most likely true for many areas in the united states. But when you hear the stereotypical phrase and think that it is an absolute fact,, it becomes prejudice, and from there it becomes racist. The real issue is in the way people think about the stereotypes, not the stereotypes themselves. Stereotypes are there to say,, oh hey,, these people tend to have that in common,, they are not meant to point out all sorts of things as fact, that is what prejudice does. EDIT: Im gonna disagree with something you said. I think stereotypes in and of themselves are not good. It dehumanizes a group of people by slightly suggesting that they lack individualism. Its demeaning when people think they know a lot about you just because youre a certain race. Its best to get to know people on a case by case basis.
That's not realistic. Every day-to-day interaction you have with people you don't actually know is driven and based upon experiences with other people as well as stereotypes. Say that I did a major demo yesterday to upper-management. I will have used many stereotypes of upper-management as a process for determining the content and target audience of my demo. I am not directly familiar with my CEO, but I know that CEOs are likely going to want to see things that provide value to the business. I'm stereotyping my CEO as someone who doesn't understand or care about technical stuff. I do that because it's all I got to go off of.
You send your new girlfriend flowers. Women liking flowers is a stereotype. You might ask her friends, but you don't know if they'd spoil the surprise. My wife actually doesn't much care for flowers ( prefers other stuff ).
Social interaction is driven by stereotypes - the problem with a stereotype is when someone uses a stereotype as if it were a justification of a subjective point of view (Black people like dancing, so they're dumb!) or when someone incorrectly assigns a stereotype to a group of people and believes it to be fact (I got mugged by an Italian; therefore, all Italians are thugs!). Stereotypes in and of themselves are a social mechanism for survival. Like all tools, there are people who abuse and misuse stereotypes.
In short, categorically stating that all stereotypes are bad is equally bad.
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By that logic Blizzard Entertainment is racist because people use one of its Portaits in-game purely to intimidate other players, implying that Blizzard had knowledge of this beforehand. Can you guess which one?
+ Show Spoiler +
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My first thought on the matter was something along the lines of "choclate is delicious", so what is she complaining about? At best, it could be positive discrimination, as in "black people are good dancers" or the infamous "Latino lover".
However, my opinion doesn't matter here. I'm white, so I can afford to neglect possible issues of discrimination against black people. That's why I need those at stake to tell me what's wrong... same as for discrimination vs. migrants, homosexuals, women, elderly, etc.
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Why is everything now taken as rascist? I mean, people have become WAY too sensitive to stuff like this that isn't really even close to rascisim...
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I think generally its wrong to throw someones name into an advertisement without consulting them. No opinion on the racism of calling someone a chocolate bar, or a diva...
(8)a diva is the female version of a hustla(8)
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Shes blowing this out of porportion. The advert was comparing her to a diva - which is exactly what she is (and is acting like).
However, anytime people throw around the "racism" word - companies start thinking about their bottom line and I am sure they will retract and issue a statement.
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On June 01 2011 22:36 ShadowWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 22:15 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 21:54 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 21:26 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 21:22 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 21:09 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 21:05 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 20:56 Supamang wrote:On June 01 2011 20:45 Sebzou wrote:On June 01 2011 20:37 Supamang wrote:Uhhh, imma let you in on something Naomi Campbell...theres way worse commercials than that jpeg youre crying over: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYCT77YNHsk&feature=related and this is one of the more mild ones This one is extremely mild,, as in not racist at all.. It's just a guy dancing while eating chicken... *sigh* Its pretty interesting actually. Things that dont seem like insults will become insults when 90% of people around you are making fun of you because of it. Eating rice for most of my meals never seemed like a bad thing until most of the kids around me started pointing out that difference in culture in a not so nice way. but let me guess, youre a white guy living in a predominantly white country. you would never understand what its like having the people around you making fun of your culture and drawing out stereotypes Hm,, i would say my neighbourhood is 80% people from Pakistan, Somalia, Turkey and such places.. And it has happened that i've been taunted for eating meat from swine,,because they don't. Growing up me and my fellow ¨white¨ people were always called potatoes(for reasons i still don't understand). In school there has always been atleast a 40-60% ratio of people originally from where i live and people from other places, so i've spent most of my life in a place where i've racially been part of a minority,, and i have no issues with that. And there you have it. Youve been made fun of for things like that too. So how do you not understand that the "black people eating fried chicken" stereotype is not a flattering thing to see on TV? Edit: oh and 40-60 is barely a minority. im talking about youre 1 of 5 people of that particular race so when all of the other people make fun of you for being what you are, you have no one to turn to for support. What you're talking about is bullying,, the type of people that would circle around one person and fuck with him are the kind of people who will turn anything into a negative to get to someone. When you have no one to turn to the issue is not culture being used to taunt someone,, the issue is the people and the ones who. No matter who you are, if you're alone you can always become a victim is the wrong people see you as one. If these people didnt have chicken or rice to make fun of,,then they would find something else about a persons appearance, or his family,, his style,, his music,, his eyes,, hair,,skin. People need to realize this,,culture is not racist,, it's the people that twist culture who are the racist ones. Fair enough man. And when people pick out black people eating fried chicken as the stereotype to use to bully someone, thats a problem right? Im gonna give you some slack since youre not from the US and you might not know about the "black people love fried chicken" stereotype. The thing is,, most stereotypes have some truth to them. For example, dancing is and has always been a part of the many african cultures, african americans have it in them because many of them ar part of a family that was once shipped over from africa to be slaves. So a sterotypical african loves to dance when they're happy. Now i've traveled around africa a bit and so many of them dance when they're happy, and it is honestly one of the greatest things i've seen. But if i twist it,, i can say,,africans dance like savages, they talk like monkeys and they are all beneath me. I know about the ¨black people love fried chicken¨ stereotype. Now answer me this: Do many black people like fried chicken? Is there some truth to this stereotype? Most likely. Do all black people like fried chicken? No, but most if not all stereotypes are exaggerated versions of a fact. It's important to separate stereotypes from prejudice. The stereotype that says ¨all black people love fried chicken¨ Really only means that many black people like to eat fried chicken, and that is most likely true for many areas in the united states. But when you hear the stereotypical phrase and think that it is an absolute fact,, it becomes prejudice, and from there it becomes racist. The real issue is in the way people think about the stereotypes, not the stereotypes themselves. Stereotypes are there to say,, oh hey,, these people tend to have that in common,, they are not meant to point out all sorts of things as fact, that is what prejudice does. EDIT: Im gonna disagree with something you said. I think stereotypes in and of themselves are not good. It dehumanizes a group of people by slightly suggesting that they lack individualism. Its demeaning when people think they know a lot about you just because youre a certain race. Its best to get to know people on a case by case basis. That's not realistic. Every day-to-day interaction you have with people you don't actually know is driven and based upon experiences with other people as well as stereotypes. Say that I did a major demo yesterday to upper-management. I will have used many stereotypes of upper-management as a process for determining the content and target audience of my demo. I am not directly familiar with my CEO, but I know that CEOs are likely going to want to see things that provide value to the business. I'm stereotyping my CEO as someone who doesn't understand or care about technical stuff. I do that because it's all I got to go off of. You send your new girlfriend flowers. Women liking flowers is a stereotype. You might ask her friends, but you don't know if they'd spoil the surprise. My wife actually doesn't much care for flowers ( prefers other stuff ). Social interaction is driven by stereotypes - the problem with a stereotype is when someone uses a stereotype as if it were a justification of a subjective point of view (Black people like dancing, so they're dumb!) or when someone incorrectly assigns a stereotype to a group of people and believes it to be fact (I got mugged by an Italian; therefore, all Italians are thugs!). Stereotypes in and of themselves are a social mechanism for survival. Like all tools, there are people who abuse and misuse stereotypes. In short, categorically stating that all stereotypes are bad is equally bad.
Ugh, I really dont feel like getting into this discussion right now but i honestly dont think that me disliking stereotypes is "equally as bad as" someone disliking or stereotyping a particular race. Maybe i should have specified what stereotypes im referring to, namely stereotypes of things people cant change (women, Mexicans, homosexuals, etc)
Yea stereotyping is a natural human mechanism. People like to use their experiences to learn lessons and prepare themselves better for the future. When it comes to learning from your past mistakes, you can "stereotype" situations, objects, or whatever to try to better prepare yourself. Im going to argue that people are complex enough that stereotyping personality traits based on superficial things like race or gender isnt realistic either. You can try, but you will inevitably be wrong many times and offend many people by suggesting that they mindlessly follow an arbitrary trend because they were born as a *fill in the blank*.
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I think generally its wrong to throw someones name into an advertisement without consulting them.
It's just the first name. Cadbury could mean Naomi Watts, and she's white as a ghost.
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Absolutely disgusting that a celebrity can pull shit like this out of their ass and get taken seriously about it, causing a huge stir over nothing.
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On June 01 2011 23:02 TheGiz wrote:Show nested quote +
I think generally its wrong to throw someones name into an advertisement without consulting them.
It's just the first name. Cadbury could mean Naomi Watts, and she's white as a ghost.
Lol my friend Naomi should sue ;p
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I've never once heard chocolate bar used as a racial slur, i've heard some pretty nasty ones but never that......
This is clearly them calling her a diva, nothing racial about that...... plenty of white diva's too.
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Seems like bullshaz. I half get the impression that she's stirring the race issue because it's 'hot-button' and will make cadbury pull the ad or risk damaging their image. When really she's suing because she's a bitch and doesn't want them to so obviously yet indirectly refer to her as a diva without her getting a cut, or at all.
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In other news, there is now nothing you can compare 'insert current socially acceptable term for people from an african decent' to in fear of rasism comments.
This would all be fine, if they also didn't complain about 'insert current socially acceptable term for people from an african decent' not being in commercials or other media.
Its a lose lose situation really. Rasism is a really strong word, but its getting abused to hell in these last years. Its going to lose power if people just start using it for everything they can get an advantage out of.
The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.
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In my opinion, racism involves HATRED... Which is why it's so insulting to people. Hatred for being of a specific class or background but still a human being.
Racism has been broadened to include things like stereotypical jokes, color specific jokes.
Too me, I just laugh at this. I'm French okay, I lived in ontario for 7 years, You would be suprised how many Europeans just love those french racist Jokes. Let me say, at first I didn't even get the point of those jokes, but it didn't phase me... But let's be honest, if you feel insulted and call it "Racism" Not only are you actually wrong because there only one "race" of human beings.
You're wasting your time bottomg line.
I really have no idea how she or anyone could get offended, or feel that being called a chocolate bar is fucking racist.
If someone called me a Cadbury Egg. I would streight chuckle.
LAME!
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