EPTThink about it , Afghanistan supplies 93% of the world opium and the USA has been there for over 10 years.They could have stopped supply pretty easily years ago if they wanted to , production is actually higher now than when the Taliban was in power...
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4409 Posts
Think about it , Afghanistan supplies 93% of the world opium and the USA has been there for over 10 years.They could have stopped supply pretty easily years ago if they wanted to , production is actually higher now than when the Taliban was in power... | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:06 Shiragaku wrote: Also, most of the Latin America's drug money does not come from marijuana. If I remember correctly from NPR, marijuana now makes up about .3 percent of the drug money because people over time discovered that it is rather easy to grow marijuana inside your own home. Cocaine, heroine, and guns are much more profitable. I'm fairly certain that you're way off with the .3 percent estimate. Marijuana has a significantly lower retail price than most other drugs, but it is by far the most consumed one. I don't know how reliable this source is but according to it weed makes up 60% of the Mexican drug cartels' income. Once again, congrats for this finally being considered but I think we can all agree that we should teach kids in health class that marijuana is bad for you and do not help corporations benefit from our death just like we do with cigarettes. Not that it has a major effect seeing how many kids smoke with ALL THE EVIDENCE provided that smoking is bad for you but still. I completely agree with you here. I believe that soft drugs should be legalized, but people (even at school) should also be informed that no matter how "harmless" a drug is, it still has a negative impact on a person's health. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Doubt it will happen , too much money in the drug trade. Think about it , Afghanistan supplies 93% of the world opium and the USA has been there for over 10 years.They could have stopped supply pretty easily years ago if they wanted to , production is actually higher now than when the Taliban was in power... Thats because the Taliban banned it... Which is probably to manipulate the market price and profit from there huge stockpile... Which obviously had no relation to our invasion... :D | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Doubt it will happen , too much money in the drug trade. Think about it , Afghanistan supplies 93% of the world opium and the USA has been there for over 10 years.They could have stopped supply pretty easily years ago if they wanted to , production is actually higher now than when the Taliban was in power... Money is allot bigger then drug trade. Think about how many inmates wouldn't be in prison, and how many jobs that is. how many lawyers/judges/cops would be out of job? Even the tobacco industry is probably against it because they think it would steal their customers. Lobbies (money) control everything i'm afraid but we can hope! I'm surprised some1 hasn't ridden the "War on Drug funds Terrorism" train yet honestly. To every1 saying the UN has no power: It's MORE then just the UN. In 72 hours, a global commission including former heads of state and foreign policy chiefs of the UN, EU, US, Brazil, Mexico and more will break the taboo and publicly call for new approaches including decriminalization and regulation of drugs Wonder when the deadline ends. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:34 Dwelf wrote: Clearly Netherlands wins at this, maybe someday others will realise as well. In the meantime I signed. Funny you say that. Our right wing goverment (geert wilders and his homo bunch) is going to change the whole system for smoking weed. you will need to register for weed soon, become a member of a weedhouse aka coffeeshop. What will happen? I for one will not let me be registered as a drugs consumer. You know dutch politics are evil. your 'im a user registration' will be passed to police, employer, insurance and all that. We all know that will happen. It will be hacked by someone who will resell the databases to insurance and all those evil bastards. I can imagine that as soon as this takes effect that 90+% of users of mature age (27+) will never get weed legally anymore. What will happen to those people (such as myself)? I know what. people will buy from street dealers who will not ask questions, they just want your money. what will happen? more crime, more murders, even more gangs in the major cities (amsterdam, rotterdam, utrecht, the hague etc.) I'm really afraid of our government nowadays. every other month or so a new law is passed to further limit personal freedom, one step at a time! This is not just the Netherlands, this happens all over the western world. POLICE STATE BRO. please PM me if you want to discuss this. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:26 Itachii wrote: Freedom my ass.They are banned for a reason.Drug and poison yourself if you want to, but don't make it easier for others. i think what you meant to say is, They are baned so ppl make more money off it regardless of any care for humanity. | ||
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GrimReefer
United States442 Posts
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
That site is stupid anyways, wheres the equally publicized "I am against stopping the war on drugs" petition? I want to sign that, and I'd probably do it 10 times like most other people did for this one. | ||
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pleskator
Czech Republic40 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Is it also your personal freedom to drive drunk or to steal from people? Drugs are just as harmful to those around you as they are to yourself. Unless you want to try and argue that using meth or heroin only affects the user? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:16 TheFrankOne wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-02-21-2221217072_x.htm http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2010/09/05/mexican-marijuana-fuels-drug-cartels/ That is just not true. Marijuana is the largest source of revenue for drug cartels. Please look things up before posting about things you think you heard one time. Pardon me, you are right about me being wrong, but here are the numbers. "With estimates of $100 billion to $110 billion for heroin, $110 billion to $130 billion for cocaine, $75 billion for cannabis and $60 billion for synthetic drugs, the probable global figure for the total illicit drug industry would be approximately $360 billion. Given the conservative bias in some of the estimates for individual substances, a turnover of around $400 billion per annum is considered realistic. This figure can be compared to estimates of more than $500 billion which are based solely on the average of minimum and maximum prices in the United States." http://www.drugwardistortions.org/distortion19.htm So I am wrong about the amount of money used to fund drug cartels and you are wrong about marijuana being the number once source of drug money. Yes, we both had our facts wrong and probably should do research but I think we have a good compromise on this small debate. But yes, perhaps legalizing marijuana is going to harm the drug cartels big time. Or they can move onto a legal corporate lifestyle just like some of our alcohol mafia did after Prohibition. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:26 Itachii wrote: Freedom my ass.They are banned for a reason.Drug and poison yourself if you want to, but don't make it easier for others. If your mommy told you that chocolate was bad and should not eat it, would you listen to her? | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 01 2011 05:06 Valeranth wrote: Do you happen to live in america? We are not a part of the UN so what they can do to us is very limited and thus their power seems little to us. Either way it would be a start and help many a country save some money by not having so many people in jail / out of work over petty crimes that harmed no one. Maybe if they set some better guidelines on what should make a drug illegal we in the States will follow. NOTE: I do believe there are some drugs that should not be legal, but those drugs should be proven beyond a doubt to cause bodily harm and / or insight rage in the user. Uh yeah, the US is a part of the UN. The UN headquarters is in fucking New York for christ sakes. You just don't pay the membership fees.. but you're still in it... somehow. The problem in question also mainly revolve around the US, as in most other countries, possession's not a felony. 25% of all prisoners in the world are Americans, even though you only have 5% of the world population. If I were you I'd rather look at the legal system in general rather than drug regulations. Drugs don't do you any good, so I don't see the point in legalizing. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:42 Deadlyfish wrote: Is it also your personal freedom to drive drunk or to steal from people? Drugs are just as harmful to those around you as they are to yourself. Unless you want to try and argue that using meth or heroin only affects the user? ye, i usually get 2nd hand high from people using meth and heroin. fuckers Sarcasm aside i can't believe the comparison your trying to make.. its unfathomable. | ||
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Grettin
42384 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:26 Itachii wrote: Freedom my ass.They are banned for a reason.Drug and poison yourself if you want to, but don't make it easier for others. I guess its gonna be hard for you now, since drugs are 'decriminalized' in Poland. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:42 Deadlyfish wrote: Is it also your personal freedom to drive drunk or to steal from people? Drugs are just as harmful to those around you as they are to yourself. Unless you want to try and argue that using meth or heroin only affects the user? What about Salvia or Cannabis or LSD? What about using drugs in the privacy of your own home? What about that? | ||
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Szordrin
Switzerland151 Posts
And if those people are seriously saying kokain & heroin should be unbanned... The free heroin in switzerland is only given to heavy addicts who would otherwise be forced into poverty and criminality due to their addiction. Reasonable solution, it is only given by governmental institutions, people are controlled and registred. Can't compare this to what is going on in Mexico, the problems now are resulting of a lack of action earlier. Saying "well, since they own half the country by now anyway lets give them the other half, too" seems wrong to me... And hi to all conspiracy lovers... | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:58 Szordrin wrote: I don't see how legalizing marihuana stops the drug war in mexico... And if those people are seriously saying kokain & heroin should be unbanned... The free heroin in switzerland is only given to heavy addicts who would otherwise be forced into poverty and criminality due to their addiction. Reasonable solution, it is only given by governmental institutions, people are controlled and registred. Can't compare this to what is going on in Mexico, the problems now are resulting of a lack of action earlier. Saying "well, since they own half the country by now anyway lets give them the other half, too" seems wrong to me... And hi to all conspiracy lovers... It would have a profound effect on the drug war in mexico. A huge amount of the drugs these cartels are selling go to the U.S., and the money comes back to Mexico. If the U.S. had legal, registered shops - people would stop buying the drugs from Mexico. Duh  | ||
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