EPTIs the disappearance of drug crime worth having half your society turn into potheads, crackheads, meth-heads, and et cetera? Figure that one out for yourself.
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nemo14
United States425 Posts
Is the disappearance of drug crime worth having half your society turn into potheads, crackheads, meth-heads, and et cetera? Figure that one out for yourself. | ||
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
On June 01 2011 13:57 nemo14 wrote: If you want violent drug-trafficking crime to end, all you have to do is legalize and subsidize the production and consumption of every drug people want. There is a reason why the mob stopped shooting people as much after Prohibition ended, and there is also a reason for the complete lack of violent crime at tobacco deals gone wrong. Is the disappearance of drug crime worth having half your society turn into potheads, crackheads, meth-heads, and et cetera? Figure that one out for yourself. Decriminalization = More people using hard drugs? I beg to differ. About Portugal's decriminalization: Five years later, the number of deaths from street drug overdoses dropped from around 400 to 290 annually, and the number of new HIV cases caused by using dirty needles to inject heroin, cocaine and other illegal substances plummeted from nearly 1,400 in 2000 to about 400 in 2006, according to a report released recently by the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C, libertarian think tank. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On June 01 2011 03:52 Parnage wrote: Ugh, how can any sane person support this? You can't legalize something and make it go away and everything will be better. You can't say Meth is fine now and suddenly you'll stop seeing Meth lab explosion stories in the newspaper or the story of the guy full of PCP who tries to go on a rampage in public. . You would stop seeing Meth Lab explosion stories because the Meth wouldn't be produced in some rednecks basement. It would be produced in a facility built with safety precautions specifically tailored to the creation of Meth and similar drugs. That guy on PCP who goes on a rampage in public is going to do that with or without legalization, but he's one guy. The next guy to do it is also one guy. For each of these guys, there are probably 10 PCP users who never go on a rampage (i'll be back with some statistics soon). By keeping it illegal, you are punishing 10 innocent people for an idiots mistake. Throw that one guy in jail. Throw the next guy in jail. Leave the 10 guys alone. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On June 01 2011 17:21 ryanAnger wrote: You would stop seeing Meth Lab explosion stories because the Meth wouldn't be produced in some rednecks basement. It would be produced in a facility built with safety precautions specifically tailored to the creation of Meth and similar drugs. That guy on PCP who goes on a rampage in public is going to do that with or without legalization, but he's one guy. The next guy to do it is also one guy. For each of these guys, there are probably 10 PCP users who never go on a rampage (i'll be back with some statistics soon). By keeping it illegal, you are punishing 10 innocent people for an idiots mistake. Throw that one guy in jail. Throw the next guy in jail. Leave the 10 guys alone. Parnage I agree with ya wholeheartedly. I do not understand why people think legalizing these drugs will make everything better...it will only serve as a catalyst for a world in a downward spiral. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On June 01 2011 17:24 Golgotha wrote: I for one am against this. I feel like the war on drugs is a necessary evil and a better option than legalizing narcotics. Parnage I agree with ya wholeheartedly. I do not understand why people think legalizing these drugs will make everything better...it will only serve as a catalyst for a world in a downward spiral. I like how you quoted me quoting Parnage, but completely neglected to comment on my realistic response. In addition, I gave reasons, and arguments in favor of my position. I gave you a reason to "understand why people think legalizing these drugs will make everything better..." Thus far, you have provided no argument, and to me, and probably many more, your way of thought doesn't appear to be thought at all. It's just regurgitation of someone else's opinion. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
1) We cannot win war on drugs with violence, this is an ever-going struggle as long as there are people desperate enough to work in illegal drug trade. 2) There is absolutely no way illegal trade could compete with legal trade, thus it's a guaranteed win against the illegal business. 3) Examples have shown that decriminalisation do not increase the number of addicts. It also becomes easier to reach addicts to help them, when their doings are not illegal. Control who gets hands on drugs (no minors, for example) also becomes easier. Illegal dealers can't be forced to obey age restrictions, legal companies can. 4) There will be way less drug victims when the dose is reliable, and when there are no dangerous cuts to it. 5) Amongst both addicts and non-addicts there are hilarious sentences for drug abuse, even when it was a purely private matter and nobody came to harm. 6) With the number of addicts not rising in decriminalised countries, it is not likely that stuff like drug induced car crashes will increase, either. Obviously driving under drug influence will still be illegal, and obviously coming to work drugged will still cost one his job. 7) Instead of spending on the war on drugs, we'ld rather have income from taxes. The severe monetary difference could be used to fight addiction much better than it is done now, for example. On June 01 2011 16:54 zizou21 wrote: can we just legalize weed? i don't think legalizing crack and heroin is a good idea LOL Everyone knows how dangerous this stuff is. The treshhold of "I really shouldn't take this stuff" is the same, whether it is purchased legally or not. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
EDIT: Thanks for posting this btw. | ||
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PandaBlunt
United States292 Posts
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On June 01 2011 19:18 TheSwamp wrote: It's sickening that people would rather sit back and let people die, then let drugs be legal and as safe as possible. This would end not only drugs wars, but also would end all the pointless killings over one crack rock or the dime bag of weed. I love how brainwashed people are. There are just as many legal drugs that are utterly terrible for your health and just as addictive. If you deny that fact, then you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on this subject. Would you care to name a few? I would like to see a limited area trial legalisation of such drugs to see the practical consequences. Originally thought that it would be referring to the war in Iraq... sigh | ||
Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
good stuff though. | ||
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methematics
United States392 Posts
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Pigsquirrel
United States615 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:40 methematics wrote: i signed, but i dont like the idea of the UN dictating policy . . . better them then lobbies aka government. They're not dictating anything either merely suggesting. On June 01 2011 20:14 JFKWT wrote: Would you care to name a few? I would like to see a limited area trial legalisation of such drugs to see the practical consequences. Originally thought that it would be referring to the war in Iraq... sigh ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg) Tobacco, Alcohol and Benzodiazepines (anti-depressants: Zanax etc..) are worse then allot of the street drugs. We don't need localized trials, we have already seen it work in Switzerland, the Netherlands and other places. I also originally tought it was about Iraq but i agree with OP that war on drugs is even more senseless. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On June 01 2011 20:52 Nizaris wrote: better them then lobbies aka government. They're not dictating anything either merely suggesting. Tobacco, Alcohol and Benzodiazepines (anti-depressants: Zanax etc..) are worse then allot of the street drugs. We don't need localized trials, we have already seen it work in Switzerland, the Netherlands and other places. I also originally tought it was about Iraq but i agree with OP that war on drugs is even more senseless. Hmm, you got a source of that graph? I'd like to know what the numbers are based on. Saying that tobacco is more dangerous than ecstasy is just... I dont know, plain wrong? Actually even though i'm not a doctor or anything, i KNOW that isnt true. Would you be more willing to use ecstasy than to smoke? Do you think it would be better for your health? | ||
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GGitsJack
New Zealand426 Posts
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