EPT72 hours to end World's most senseless War! - Page 12
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
Thank you much, yes I believe that is it. | ||
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Kenderson
Canada280 Posts
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + you really think so? | ||
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Tegin
United States840 Posts
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On June 01 2011 10:57 Shigy wrote: more money for schools, less for prisons and law enforcement. please Less taxes for Prisons and Law Enforcement because I want my goddamn money back. End the Income Tax! If you want Government-Schools to have more money you are free to donate to them, just do not send an armed delegate (IRS) in your place to come rob me to pay for it. | ||
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Nanoko
Canada45 Posts
On June 01 2011 03:52 Parnage wrote: Ugh, how can any sane person support this? You can't legalize something and make it go away and everything will be better. So i heard that Alcohol was banned once, because you know people thought everyone was gonna turn into an alcoholic right? and what happened? I believe people just started to sell it illegally..... ohhh yeaaaah and then it was made Legal again and what fucking happened? did everyone turn into Alcoholics?...no..and what about the "criminals" who sold it?....well...No more fucking Profit for them cause you can just buy it from a fuckin store now right? why the fuck would you go up to someone whose more then likely going to rip you off, rob you, or overcharge whatever their selling you? If it worked for Alcohol the reason it can't work for drugs is...? you're telling me, you honestly believe, that Addicts Would STILL rather buy drugs from people who are more likely to kill, or rob them Then from a fucking Store, where it has a Set Fucking Price instead of being Over Fucking Charged. Are you serious? They are illegal because they are addicting to the point of wrecking your entire life and have serious health consequences Arthritis, Cancer, FAS, Kidney Disease, Liver Disease, Nervous Disorders, Depression, Insomnia, Anxiety. All health risks caused by ?? Alcohol Drunk Drivers wreck their lives as well as the lives of others, as does the drug trade, it's legal ? why? Because people were getting it illegally, they made it Legal and then they made laws about it and Help Centers for people who want to stop drinking. If you make drugs regulated, guess what? You Take out the money from the illegal drug trade, and hell who knows maybe people will be more willing to go into help centers, or a fucking hospital, if they don't have to worry about going in to do some long ass fucking prison term... /end rant | ||
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twiitar
Germany372 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:01 OminouS wrote: The title of this thread makes me sad/sick. Every war is senseless. It's just that the OP thinks this one's the most senseless since it's not even against people, I guess. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
its funny how in Africa, there is a country that didn't "ban" hunting a certain species of rhinos, despite their population being low, for their horns. They enacted seasons open to hunting them because it combats the black market and poachers from illegally going out and uncontrollably killing them. By opening the market it creates competition thus no reason for poachers to go out and kill illegal amount THUS the population actually gets saved. The point being from this is that, regulate this stuff and stop making it illegal so it doesn't give drug lords incentives to smuggle shit in. edit: well looking at the other posts...its not surprising people not looking at the result and using a bit of logic to see how pathetic this war is really. BTW a LOT LOT LOT of lives have been lost because of this retarded shit. I know police officers who think this is the most retarded thing to be ever enacted. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:10 heroyi wrote: Is it wrong to assume that there are people out there that ACTUALLY oppose this and actually believe that this "war" is actually accomplishing anything? its funny how in Africa, there is a country that didn't "ban" hunting a certain species of rhinos, despite their population being low, for their horns. They enacted seasons open to hunting them because it combats the black market and poachers from illegally going out and uncontrollably killing them. By opening the market it creates competition thus no reason for poachers to go out and kill illegal amount THUS the population actually gets saved. The point being from this is that, regulate this stuff and stop making it illegal so it doesn't give drug lords incentives to smuggle shit in. I don't know if you've seen louis theroux's documentary on poaching, he's wrong i feel most of the time in that episode (he's usually good in my book) but it does show some interesting things. Also, got to go now. Glad everyone so far has been keeping things civil! | ||
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`Forte
United States128 Posts
On June 01 2011 10:51 kenwoo wrote: its definitely a possibility, alot of my friends dont try drugs because they dont know where to get it but if its just over the counter holy crap everyone would be smoking I kind of agree with kenwoo. We can't definitively say the reason drug violence isn't as prevalent in some countries as it is here is because they have drugs legalized. Part of the reason is that they're raised differently and their society is different--their teenagers probably don't view it as some super-fun taboo that makes them hardcore rebels. Because teens have been raised to never do these things, it's illegal here, and many teenagers have bad relationships with their family/friends and self-control problems, it'd be more likely that a lot of people would suddenly do drugs if it was legalized here, at least at first. Granted I still think there are more benefits to ending the war on drugs in some form, but this is a possibility. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:01 Wegandi wrote: Less taxes for Prisons and Law Enforcement because I want my goddamn money back. End the Income Tax! If you want Government-Schools to have more money you are free to donate to them, just do not send an armed delegate (IRS) in your place to come rob me to pay for it. well see, now you're getting into something way beyond the scope of this thread, but that's cool. we appreciate the enthusiasm | ||
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OsoVega
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:11 PanN wrote: I don't know if you've seen louis theroux's documentary on poaching, he's wrong i feel most of the time in that episode (he's usually good in my book) but it does show some interesting things. Also, got to go now. Glad everyone so far has been keeping things civil! gonna have to look into that a lot of things that America do is pretty screwed up and bad with teen pregnancy/ sex education being one | ||
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
On June 01 2011 03:52 Parnage wrote: Ugh, how can any sane person support this? You can't legalize something and make it go away and everything will be better. They aren't trying to make it go away. They are accepting that while there is demand, someone will always step up to supply it. Why waste effort fighting a losing battle? It's a war that cannot be won so stop filling prisons needlessly. On June 01 2011 03:52 Parnage wrote: You can't say Meth is fine now and suddenly you'll stop seeing Meth lab explosion stories in the newspaper or the story of the guy full of PCP who tries to go on a rampage in public. Actually if you introduce standards into the production of drugs it means rednecks won't be manufacturing them while stoned in a trailer - the same rednecks who keep 50 gallons of explosive ingredients 3 feet away from open flames in badly ventilated areas. Investment could take place in production facilities with safety features. The guy full of PCP who is rampaging now, will do so whether it is legal or not. Making PCP legal won't create an army of violent stoners any more than banning alcohol will stop drunk driving. On June 01 2011 03:52 Parnage wrote: Instead of ending a War of Drugs, why not actually have a real drug enforcement policy. Users need to be treated, sellers need to be jailed, and producers need to realize it's not profitable for them. You do that by removing the userbase and making it too expensive to produce due to the risks involved. We have real enforcement policies. The point you seem to miss is that they are failing. As I stated elsewhere, if there is supply, people will always step in to fill it. It just raises the stakes to the extent where people are willing to kill to supply it. Imagine a supply chain where you can buy pot or w/e legally instead of from some shifty bloke whose idea of a work uniform is an ak47. Legalising it could turn efforts to education. Lets face it, many people try drugs because of the taboo related to them. Remove that taboo and you remove a lot of the allure. | ||
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Sixotanaka
Australia191 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 01 2011 10:51 PJA wrote: Uh, tripping can be absolutely terrifying and difficult, far more than being drunk. I've never met anyone who has gone from ecstatic to complete paranoia to complete ego death in a matter of minutes on alcohol, not have I seen people running around screaming and babbling incoherently while on alcohol. I haven't even been around people using hallucinogens very much, and I've seen some bizarre stuff. That being said, I don't see any reason why it should be illegal. It's temporary, and most people don't react negatively. I've also never seen anyone get into a fight or crash their car on LSD, whereas I know several people who routinely get into fights when they're drunk, and I've know a few people who have gotten drunk and totalled their car. Also, Travis, maybe you and your friends are smart enough not to drive on LSD, but one of my good friends does fairly often, despite me being like "wtf is wrong with you" every time. Some people are just irresponsible with drug use. You've not been around very many drunk people I guess. Conversely I've never really dealt with many people on LSD that beat their wives...which is an everyday occurrence with drunk people. From a Law Enforcement point of view...I'd like nothing more than to make at the very least Marijuana legal and really everything else if I had my way. I've never been a fan of the government trying to protect me from myself. It's much like wearing a seatbelt...if some asshole doesn't want to wear a seatbelt why the FUCK should we make them do so? The vast majority of violent crime I encounter can be directly contributed to the illicit selling of drugs. It's just so insanely profitable that people will fight over a street corner just to generate that extra income. The drug trade fuels a really stupid amount of violence, money, and annoyance. The reason I have to deal with gangs that have semi automatic/automatic weapons is primarily because a fingernail sized baggie of crack is worth 30 dollars around here. I believe that with regulation you wouldn't have to deal with that crap....also if Alcohol is legal...yea.... | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
legalizing pot would be fine. Heroin, crack cocaine and all that shit is terrible User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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