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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:54 Golgotha wrote: can you tell me what sharia law is in your words? i never heard of it Sharia law = law from the Coran for muslim, it's used in Iran, Saoudia, Afganistan, Yemen, Somalia and maybe some others | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:54 Lanfire wrote: Dude, Do you really think that the North Korean people think that their leader is some kind of Deity? No, they are just afraid of the possibility to being send to a workcamp with their whole family if they do not obey the regime. They do not worship the regime. They just care about their family. If that means listening and doing everything the regimes says so be it. Some things are worth sacrificing for. The North Koreon people worry about food and health and therefore obey the regime. It has nothing to do with religion. Its a state controlled by fear and not by religion. rofl, the point is not whether they believe it or not. please think before you talk. the POINT is that THERE IS a religion in North Korea, Juche, with Kim Il Sung being the head of it's holy trinity. The question I answered was in regards to North Korea supposedly being without religion. Someone commented that to experience a world without religion, they should move to North Korea. And, I stated that this is simply wrong because North Korea is rife with religious issues, such as religious intolerance and a State sanctioned cult.  Again let me repeat for you, it does NOT matter if they believe in Kim Il Sung as a god or not, I am simply proving that religion exists within North Korea to you and the other gentleman who was unfortunately banned. Thank you. | ||
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ZeGzoR
Sweden307 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:38 Lanfire wrote: wait what? can you please explain? i think that Nkorea is fucked up because of commusism and dictatorship. The state of North Korea is a Cult of personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality). One can even say that Kim Il-sung ( The first "Leader") is their religion. They worship him and his son as gods, with big monuments and even church like places. The argument that a country without religion is like North Korea is wrong. Just look at my country , Sweden where the majority doesnt follow a big religion, i can say from personal experience that we are not like North Korea | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:39 aguy38 wrote: He didn't have to pray. He could have just sat there. If you read the second line of the article it makes it sound like he said the majority should be stopped on account of him. Did they overreact to him? Hell yea they did, but at some point he should have had the common sense to just not say anything. So Christians can do things because of their belief, while a atheist can't take action for something he believes in? Atheist= has no belief in god Atheist=/= has no belief The first two posts in this thread are quite pathetic. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:38 Lanfire wrote: wait what? can you please explain? i think that Nkorea is fucked up because of commusism and dictatorship. oh and this is irrelevant to your question, but do not be so naive as to think that North Korea is a communist state. I mean yeah they tried to create a communist state, but if anyone thinks that what they have now is worthy of the title of communism, is simply ignorant. It only carries tiny remnants of it's commie past. calling the north korean government communist is a euphemism. | ||
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Lanfire
Netherlands151 Posts
The argument that a country without religion is like North Korea is wrong. Just look at my country , Sweden where the majority doesnt follow a big religion, i can say from personal experience that we are not like North Korea I dont think that anyone said that a country without religion is like North Korea. A country where state/ and religion is seperate can work out well. Although there are often many problems within this concept. Like gay marriage/ abortion/ prayers in school etc. The seperation of church and state is tough to uphold. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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ZessiM
United Kingdom232 Posts
I hope you're listening Rosa Parks. | ||
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B1okHead
United States2 Posts
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Lanfire
Netherlands151 Posts
but do not be so naive as to think that North Korea is a communist state Im not naive calling it a communist state. Every country in the world is unique in itself and they ALL have different laws and value's. And imho i dont care how you label a country's goverment system. Maybe it follow's 98% communism maybe 73% i really dont care. Its about the universeal rights of every human in every country. simply proving that religion exists within North Korea And no you did not proove that the NK goverment system is a religion. It does have resemblems of a religion there is no denying that. I think you and i have just a different deffinition of a religion. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:21 ZessiM wrote: Wanting to protest something unconstitutional = insolent jackass. Wow, who knew. Thanks TL. I hope you're listening Rosa Parks. She wasn't even the first black woman to fight against the man. http://books.google.com/books?id=FFDjbNPyMY8C&pg=PA78&dq=Elizabeth Jennings Graham 1854&hl=en&ei=XApCTaeNCYvBccur3egN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Elizabeth Jennings Graham 1854&f=false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jennings_Graham http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/books/26colvin.html?_r=2&hphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:17 Lanfire wrote: I dont think that anyone said that a country without religion is like North Korea. A country where state/ and religion is seperate can work out well. Although there are often many problems within this concept. Like gay marriage/ abortion/ prayers in school etc. The seperation of church and state is tough to uphold. Uhuh, I think the countries where things like gay marriage and abortion are a problem are the countries with heavy influence of religion (pointing at US). When there is a clear separation ( as in religions have NO influence on policies at all), then these problems are never really problems..... | ||
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oBlade
United States6623 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:17 Lanfire wrote: I dont think that anyone said that a country without religion is like North Korea. A country where state/ and religion is seperate can work out well. Although there are often many problems within this concept. Like gay marriage/ abortion/ prayers in school etc. The seperation of church and state is tough to uphold. A guy posted such a statement a couple pages ago. The DPRK is a popular target, along with Nazi Germany and Stalinism as the result of unchecked atheism fulfilling its destiny. It might not be true that the personality cults in the DPRK ruined it (they might instead be just a symptom), but yes, that state has religion, and regularly employs one of its most powerful motivators, fear. Rather, as said before, the result of should be more like Sweden. The US is proof enough that secularism doesn't necessarily lead to or perpetuate nonbelief. Religious-inspired intolerance runs deep in our history, but secularism seems to fight against it. But it also seems to disappear anyway, as in the UK. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:28 johanngrunt wrote: She wasn't even the first black woman to fight against the man. http://books.google.com/books?id=FFDjbNPyMY8C&pg=PA78&dq=Elizabeth Jennings Graham 1854&hl=en&ei=XApCTaeNCYvBccur3egN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Elizabeth Jennings Graham 1854&f=false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jennings_Graham http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/books/26colvin.html?_r=2&hphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin I don't really think that was the point. | ||
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TwoPac
United States163 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On May 27 2011 18:40 Ryuu314 wrote: There's actually a justification for that. The phrase "in God we trust" doesn't actually specify which God. It can refer to Christian God or Ancient Greek God(s). As such, that phrase is more or less a loophole in the whole "religious freedom" clause. In all honesty, if the prayer at this school was an ambiguous non-denominational prayer, it'd probably be okay. Again such nonsense. Read the First Amendment, understand it, if you don't understand it get somebody to help you understand it. Legal issues aside, why doesn't it say "In fairies we trust", "In invisible pink unicorns we trust" or "In gay Irish leprechauns we trust" on the bills? Because "god" was the most popular fictitious character at the time of the vote? | ||
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Trident_
Denmark3 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:56 EmeraldSparks wrote: the constitution is really sort of overrated I might be from Europe, but what just happened | ||
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piegasm
United States266 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:58 atheistaphobe wrote: In America it reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; That does not mean freedom from religion. It means others are protected in their exercise of religion in public. Did you not notice the "make no law respecting an establishment of religion", part? It covers both sides of the fence. The government can't force anyone to practice a religion anymore than it can prevent them from practicing it. | ||
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Mulletarian
Norway101 Posts
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rawbertson
Canada95 Posts
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