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WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 16:01:41
April 29 2011 16:00 GMT
#41
What? Jinro is supposed to be pronounced "Jinlo"? O_O

Sweden you make me proud <3.

Edit: They mention his 30k posts here on TL.net.
Kamille
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Monaco1035 Posts
April 29 2011 16:02 GMT
#42
But does it have HSY?

Priphea
Ewli
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden326 Posts
April 29 2011 16:07 GMT
#43
This is so awesome, I really wish we can get televised matches on SVT. It would be so sweet to spread the ESPORTS to the rest of sweden and hopefully the world.

<3<3
Twitter - @Ewli <3 EG <3 Liquid
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 16:09:16
April 29 2011 16:07 GMT
#44
great documentary by svt. No dumbing down or talking down esports or computer gaming in general. Had quite alot of known faces as well and the host was good. Too bad it isnt in english but someone will probably put up subs or something eventually.

Really looking forward to future episodes.
Do you really want chat rooms?
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
April 29 2011 16:13 GMT
#45
Dear Swedes, if you provide subs I will love Sweden forever!
Demozerg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden18 Posts
April 29 2011 16:17 GMT
#46
just so ppl know this is not a show about starcraft its about esports and so its only this 1 episode that they are focusing on sc for abit next one is about battlefield 4 or something
Sobba
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden576 Posts
April 29 2011 16:20 GMT
#47
Amazing. I encourage every swede here on TeamLiquid to send SVT a support mail telling them how wonderful their e-sport coverage is. I am , for the first time, glad i pay TV-license.
ReactoR
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden72 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 16:37:24
April 29 2011 16:29 GMT
#48
On April 30 2011 00:57 legatus legionis wrote:
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To help with any subbing initiatives people would want to undertake. I will qoute a post I made which I think is very empowering for those looking to contribute or set something up.


"Coordinating translations:"
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On April 11 2011 21:09 legatus legionis wrote:
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On April 10 2011 21:28 laughingsdk wrote:
I have just finished watching Boxer's Wing Ep 2 in Chinese subtitles and it was as awesome as first (despite last 2 minutes of the video was corrupted...)

I'm wondering how's the English translation team doing? If progress are still far from complete, I am happy to do a transcript of Chinese to English translation. I'm no good with video manipulation so it'll just be a text file with time stamps and rough translations in English... would anyone be interested by it?? I'll do it if there's demands for it.


If you have access to the Chinese subtitles or the transcript what I've seen sub groups do is they take the Chinese subtitles in that form. I think they take Chinese because it get's translated faster there, more people active in subbing or something? Could by any language I guess, and then they run it through a software translator that will do the bulk of the translations. Think you can use an online translator if you can input the text nicely. I've never done it so I'm just speculating on the actual method.

What you get after translating it through software still has all the timings hopefully, if that didn't get messed up with the software translation and then it becomes "easy" to share it with people who can each take a part of say 5 - 10 minutes, depending on if you are able to split and combine the workload in such small fragments efficiently, and they can easily "fix" the terrible software translations like: "Micro good show very Boxer, legend he be" to "Boxer shows good micro, he is a legend."

And then the final stage of quality control has a person comfortable with the korean language watch the fixed software subtitles and can apply final adjust in context that have gotten lost in translation: "Here Boxer shows us crazy sick micro skills, he is a real legend after all." To something like that.

The method discribed above is taken from darksmurfsubs, who I think "invented" the method, and where he made an online "Web Subtitle Editor". Its main use is for allowing anyone to contribute and edit lines of the translation in a similar fashion to how the wikipedia system works.
An "admin" or someone with privileges can then "lock" changes in or choose user made changes who you should see more as "suggestions" since they aren't final otherwise one could easily sabotage all the work.

An example of what the Web Editor looks like (Large picture):
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[image loading]
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9804/overviewwwwwldtrzzm.jpg

Or at:
http://www.darksmurfsub.com/public/subtitle_list.php?tid=QS.Crime.Squad.2011
Somewhere.

I think one thing to keep in mind is that with translations, if you have 3 people translate you get 3 different translations. Some groups sub in more of a telegram style, some leave out tiny popups on screen the production put in like two people are talking and one person looks confused, they put "He looks confused" on it, others try and do it really methodical at the expense of time.
What I'm trying to say with this last paragraph is that it really doesn't matter that much if the translation is perfect and I think you can come a really long way with implementing a system like discribed above, if anything it appears to be an efficient way to sub and as we all know, it takes a lot of time.

I'm not sure anymore why I wrote this but I'm not gonna delete it. Time for some coffee, Enjoy
[TL Subs] fighting! :D


I'm not exactly sure how it should work in this case, but I feel the method has been proven worthy and highly effective even without the system of the site linked. But it could be an option to check with the Darksmurf guy to see if we can make use of it for this purpose, or something.
Hope this can help in anyway if there is enough desire to undertake something like that. So that we can watch these awesome movies and know what it going on

Also, I felt that during the DH Invitational, many people translated the interviews, I just thought it would've been super cool if someone actually timed them to the videos. I couldn't get the video embed from the page but if I did it probably wouldve played around a little and tried to put someones translations on. Depending on how far you take it, if you settle for the minimum roughness it shouldn't take the most time, if you sub every little thing, color it, time it to the frames perfectly etc it will so, it doesn't have to be a huge chore.

To add to this, should anyone make the effort of writing up a translation, please include the times at which people say things and something like : to indicate lines and what not. I'm not exactly sure how it works but there are a few ways of formatting it so that it can be imported very easily and almost instantly is pretty decently timed. Makes it a lot easier and more doable to adjust the lines rather then figuring out what is being said when and doing each line individually. Also for those who cannot understand swedish, the time will be a good enough indication to tell when a line should appear.

To finish, I noticed I missed out a link to a crucial step, the actual timing. I think the most used program for this is Aegisub. It's not that difficult and has a ton of amazing features. For example for timing lines, you have multiple hotkeys so you can micro start and end points in rapid succession, as well as a audio segment, like a heartrate monitor? with waves and peaks of audio? and that helps insanely well because you can literally see the audio and thus get a much better feel for where you want the line to be visible on screen.
http://www.aegisub.org/


It's a bit of a wall of text but I really hope some of it can be put to good use. I feel that is the case and I would like to wish everyone best of luck, here's to a succesful endavour.

Edit: it's probably worthy to note that for the Boxer's Wings Episode 2 they used google documents to allow anyone to contribute. I'm not sure exactly how it was setup but it did provide some security against vandalism by being able to roll back or having a lot of saves or something. And I believe you can also set up priviliges there for established contributors etc.


Thanks for the info. I might look into this a bit more closely after the weekend. Not sure if it is worth subbing entire episodes though. The only really interesting part in ep1 is the Jinro interview which is him talking about his life-long dream about playing in S.Korea. Perhaps just transcribing the sc2 part would be sufficient.

Judging from the sneak peak of the next episode it won't be starcraft related .
Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
April 29 2011 16:45 GMT
#49
That show was really cool! SVT is really trying to get this big in sweden now, hope they start to send these shows on the television channel too and not just on their site!
Tornado Terran Fighting!
Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
April 29 2011 16:47 GMT
#50
On April 30 2011 01:20 Sobba wrote:
I am , for the first time, glad i pay TV-license.

Exactly my thought =P
The show was good, better then expected. Excited for more episodes. This is a big year for e-sports, especially in sweden. And if Battlefield 3 is as good as i think its gonna be, its gonna be an even better year.
"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
Sameno
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden37 Posts
April 29 2011 16:55 GMT
#51
This was a great show Good to see swedish media acknowledge E-Sport. I learned some new things and I'm gonna keep watching this show for sure.
Amatures practice until they can get it right. Pros practice until the can't get it wrong
tjosan
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden120 Posts
April 29 2011 17:05 GMT
#52
On April 30 2011 00:13 FreddYCooL wrote:
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On April 30 2011 00:11 Robinsa wrote:
Sounds interesting. SVT should be great when it comes to the documentary part. Not so sure about the E-sports coverage judging from my previous experiance with their "staff" when theyve streamed from dreamhack etc. I hope theyve hired some guys that actually know something about e-sport this time. There is no point in making a program if the narrator/commentator isnt updated.


The streaming from Dreamhack was by aftonbladet which is Swedens biggest newspaper. SVT is the national television channel and is funded by tax money.


It's not funded through taxes, it's funded through the TV- and radio license which everyone who owns a TV or radio needs to pay, and is payed to a foundation with only partial government influence (a minority post in the board). A very important distinction!
etJUSTICE
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 17:33:23
April 29 2011 17:26 GMT
#53
Looks like sweden are doing it right this time with known faces, i remember aftonbladet(swedens biggest newsite) once, there was this 13year old kid who had wrote in and lied about him being the best player in the world in counter-strike and winning tournaments so they made an article with him with interviews and everything, everyone was like whaaat? best troll ever

i thought it was funny
Dee-Kej
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden191 Posts
April 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#54
I dunno if they'll respond to it, but I sent in an email to SVT telling them about all you non-swedes wanting english subtitles on the show. Worth a shot at least.

Think this a great thing though, and I was wondering when those interviews where going to be broadcasted! x) (was at the DH invitational and saw glimpses of SVT-crews interviewing players)

Going progame(make)r!!
Kragx
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark236 Posts
April 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#55
Decent show! Glad I understand swedish to some degree. Was worth watching!
jobe83
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany4 Posts
April 29 2011 17:40 GMT
#56
Just echoing preemptive thanks to the Swedish people standing up for us living in countries with a media landscape still trapped in the stone age and delivering english subtitles :p
"I hate reality but it's still the best place to get a good steak." — Woody Allen
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
April 29 2011 17:43 GMT
#57
Gj Sverige ! Keep supporting eSport on national level. Feel proud for Sweden!
youtube.com/N0rthernL1ght
John Acton
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden13 Posts
April 29 2011 17:53 GMT
#58
If it would be possible to get a swedish transcript of this without having to go through the whole thing pausing/unpausing to write it down I could start translating some of it. I bet we could get alot of swedes who are fluent enough in english to do the same. Then someone with the time and neccesary skills can just sub the whole thing.

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Hellspawnl
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden103 Posts
April 29 2011 18:05 GMT
#59
Just for information. The production company behind this is Press2play which ain't the same that have done SVT coverage from DreamHack before. The ones who had the license before is Amok Studios and they did the Aftonbladet Stream at DreamHack Stockholm Invitational.

Can say what that mean in production value or so but there is a new crew that will cover DreamHack Summer for SVT.
@Hellspawnlord - hellspawn@rakaka.se - Editor of Rakaka.se - Head Admin of Dreamhack Starcraft 2
psychosis
Profile Joined November 2006
Sweden107 Posts
April 29 2011 18:10 GMT
#60
On April 30 2011 02:33 Dee-Kej wrote:
I dunno if they'll respond to it, but I sent in an email to SVT telling them about all you non-swedes wanting english subtitles on the show. Worth a shot at least.




I was thinking about mailing them as well pointing out there are a lot of foreign people wanting english subs on the show.

If I knew how to I would just rip it and sub it myself tho, then upload it to YouTube or something.

I hope that later in the show, they come back to Starcraft, and go more in depths about it. Also very cool they mentioned TeamLiquid in the first show
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