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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 06:32 GMT
#101
It's just another element of sound. Whether or not you like it has nothing to do with it is an "art" or not. This idea that the validity of music is somehow directly proportional to the skill it took to produce is pretty absurd.

I'm indifferent to autotune. Most "bad" songs with autotune would be garbage without it as well so does it really matter? It's just a vocal effect and a way of manipulating sound. That's what music is, the manipulation of sound for the purpose of expression.
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zingmars
Profile Joined April 2010
Latvia189 Posts
April 10 2011 06:34 GMT
#102
To be honest, there are some cases when autotune sounds actually better than the original singers voice, but in most cases no - Autotune ruins everything.
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 10 2011 06:37 GMT
#103
On April 10 2011 15:30 CursedRich wrote:
There is not one song that will be listened to in 10 years time that is auto-tuned and will be considered classic, its a tool for bad pop music

Vocoders are much cooler for using the voice as a synthesized sound, think Daft Punk and you should understand the difference

Vocoder and autotune is the same thing, more or less.
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 10 2011 06:42 GMT
#104
On April 10 2011 15:30 Parsistamon wrote:
It depends on the manner in which it's done--I think Kanye's autotune is pretty good, but others like Tpain are pretty bad. I think it's as legitimate as any vocoder or synth though. Again: it depends on the performer.

Tpain is famous for the talkbox style. He has some good stuff and some bad stuff. He's not too bad as a mixer in general.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
April 10 2011 06:45 GMT
#105
On April 10 2011 15:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's just another element of sound. Whether or not you like it has nothing to do with it is an "art" or not. This idea that the validity of music is somehow directly proportional to the skill it took to produce is pretty absurd.

I'm indifferent to autotune. Most "bad" songs with autotune would be garbage without it as well so does it really matter? It's just a vocal effect and a way of manipulating sound. That's what music is, the manipulation of sound for the purpose of expression.


Totally agree with this. Very well put.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 10 2011 08:12 GMT
#106
I just downloaded autotune to play around with. Shit is FUN hahahaha.
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WyghtWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Israel145 Posts
April 10 2011 08:39 GMT
#107
I think that auto tuning should be considered an art form, because you can use it to make some really awesome effects in rap and music in general, but using it to make someone sound terribly bad instead of ear-bleeding-ly(now I'm making up words =/) terrible is just wrong.
and violates the ear drums in ways I'm scared to describe...
"You don't think, threfore I exist."
NiTenIchiRyu
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom273 Posts
April 10 2011 08:57 GMT
#108
This video pretty much sums it up:

Autotune pretty much killed modern pop music, but hey at least it is still better than K-pop.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
April 10 2011 09:15 GMT
#109
I hate the word "art".
It's MUSIC. And yes, autotuning is music. It's totally subjective whether you like it or not. Personally, I don't like autotune - I just think it sounds horrible. If it's only to fix vocals then obviously that person shouldn't sing in the first place.
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vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
April 10 2011 09:17 GMT
#110
On April 10 2011 15:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's just another element of sound. Whether or not you like it has nothing to do with it is an "art" or not. This idea that the validity of music is somehow directly proportional to the skill it took to produce is pretty absurd.

I'm indifferent to autotune. Most "bad" songs with autotune would be garbage without it as well so does it really matter? It's just a vocal effect and a way of manipulating sound. That's what music is, the manipulation of sound for the purpose of expression.


Sums up how I feel perfectly. People had the same complaints about synthesisers and "electronic instruments" in the 70s and 80s. Both are pretty widely accepted these days. Autotune is just another new tool for artists to make use of.

I don't care if its autotune, vocaloid or some guy tapping his fingers on a desk. If it sounds good I'll enjoy it.
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
April 10 2011 09:29 GMT
#111
You look good, cant actually sing or have any real talent, but with $$$ we'll make you into a star.
You look like something a donkey rode in on, have tremendous talen but the makeup budget to get you out there would be enough to feed an african nation: Go the old long road to fame where you'll never earn a tenth of what the mixandthrowaway artists of today make, bonus; Some will remember your name 10 and 20 years from now.

I do not think autotune as a tool for artists to draw on is bad. But making an artist based entirely on autotune and sex appeal? Cultural worth of a dead rat. Nice $$$, which is all that matters short term. That said theres some great originality in electric music, but todays mainstream is a shamefull reflection of our society and what it values.

Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
April 10 2011 09:38 GMT
#112
On April 10 2011 18:17 vek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 15:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's just another element of sound. Whether or not you like it has nothing to do with it is an "art" or not. This idea that the validity of music is somehow directly proportional to the skill it took to produce is pretty absurd.

I'm indifferent to autotune. Most "bad" songs with autotune would be garbage without it as well so does it really matter? It's just a vocal effect and a way of manipulating sound. That's what music is, the manipulation of sound for the purpose of expression.


Sums up how I feel perfectly. People had the same complaints about synthesisers and "electronic instruments" in the 70s and 80s. Both are pretty widely accepted these days. Autotune is just another new tool for artists to make use of.

I don't care if its autotune, vocaloid or some guy tapping his fingers on a desk. If it sounds good I'll enjoy it.


And what if I take a record of an obscure 80's band and I release it as if it's my own music. Is that an art? It still sounds good and that's all what counts, right?
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
April 10 2011 09:45 GMT
#113
Your question is "should it be considered art", and yet your yes answer states "Yes - I find autotune to show skill within the artform of music." Skill != Art. You don't need any sort of vocal talent if you have auto-tune, but auto-tuned songs can still be artistic works.
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
April 10 2011 09:47 GMT
#114
On April 10 2011 18:38 Navane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 18:17 vek wrote:
On April 10 2011 15:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's just another element of sound. Whether or not you like it has nothing to do with it is an "art" or not. This idea that the validity of music is somehow directly proportional to the skill it took to produce is pretty absurd.

I'm indifferent to autotune. Most "bad" songs with autotune would be garbage without it as well so does it really matter? It's just a vocal effect and a way of manipulating sound. That's what music is, the manipulation of sound for the purpose of expression.


Sums up how I feel perfectly. People had the same complaints about synthesisers and "electronic instruments" in the 70s and 80s. Both are pretty widely accepted these days. Autotune is just another new tool for artists to make use of.

I don't care if its autotune, vocaloid or some guy tapping his fingers on a desk. If it sounds good I'll enjoy it.


And what if I take a record of an obscure 80's band and I release it as if it's my own music. Is that an art? It still sounds good and that's all what counts, right?


I don't really understand what your argument is, sorry.

I'm pretty sure what you are talking about is just plagiarism. Autotune is just another tool artists have access to that they can create new/different sounds with.
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 10 2011 09:48 GMT
#115
On April 10 2011 18:15 XsebT wrote:
I hate the word "art".
It's MUSIC. And yes, autotuning is music. It's totally subjective whether you like it or not. Personally, I don't like autotune - I just think it sounds horrible. If it's only to fix vocals then obviously that person shouldn't sing in the first place.

It fits with some stuff. The way it's used in most pop I'm not very fond of.
Stroggoz
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand79 Posts
April 10 2011 10:00 GMT
#116
ummm. shouldn't the question be: should it be considered good art or bad art?
it is art without question.

JoFritzMD
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia163 Posts
April 10 2011 10:05 GMT
#117
Autotune can be done well as shown in this song by imogen heaps
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Rotcod
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom138 Posts
April 10 2011 10:12 GMT
#118
I think there are better examples of autotune as art, take imogen heap or bon iver, of course some auto tune stuff is trash but sometimes its used really well



Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
April 10 2011 10:13 GMT
#119
On April 10 2011 18:29 Ceril wrote:
You look good, cant actually sing or have any real talent, but with $$$ we'll make you into a star.
You look like something a donkey rode in on, have tremendous talen but the makeup budget to get you out there would be enough to feed an african nation: Go the old long road to fame where you'll never earn a tenth of what the mixandthrowaway artists of today make, bonus; Some will remember your name 10 and 20 years from now.

I do not think autotune as a tool for artists to draw on is bad. But making an artist based entirely on autotune and sex appeal? Cultural worth of a dead rat. Nice $$$, which is all that matters short term. That said theres some great originality in electric music, but todays mainstream is a shamefull reflection of our society and what it values.


Well said. I completely agree.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
April 10 2011 10:14 GMT
#120
On April 10 2011 10:52 Jombozeus wrote:
Some rappers just cant sing, and they need to autotune their voice to sound remotely listenable. Plus, it sounds good, so why not.

It can be just as good as a normal song or just as bad as a normal song.

Why do people who can't sing should do rap ? Is it only because music industry can't find young talents fast enough to satisfy the demand? So the autotune will be the quickest way arround? Dunno, it feels wrong to me, i couldn't like autotune songs no matter how much i tried. It's so robotic and out of soul.
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