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Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
April 25 2011 04:47 GMT
#81
Can I be the first to say that it would be really REALLY cool to have LaTeX integrated into the forums so we didnt have to look at crappy text formula's?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
Ssin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States88 Posts
April 25 2011 06:01 GMT
#82
On April 25 2011 13:47 Dave[9] wrote:
Can I be the first to say that it would be really REALLY cool to have LaTeX integrated into the forums so we didnt have to look at crappy text formula's?


That would be oh so very awesome. We could have some nice nerdly mathspeak conversations.

On a side note, I completely endorse this thread. Relativity is a very interesting subject to get into, and its applications are very fun. Good on you micronesia!
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 25 2011 08:36 GMT
#83
bday thread in disguise happy birthday!
Hi.
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
April 25 2011 08:43 GMT
#84
On April 25 2011 07:23 MiniRoman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 02:57 Nuttyguy wrote:
On April 25 2011 02:36 MiniRoman wrote:
On April 25 2011 02:29 Nuttyguy wrote:
E is x10^y
so E8
x10^8

its like on the calculator (EXE) or whatever brand you have


so "damn fast" was right?

Yes

light can travel 7.4 times around the earth in 1 second to put things into context.

How would they measure the speed of light?
And mass increase with speeds near speed of light, so a light photon's mass would increase. Does the photon slow down with the maximum speed being speed of light?
EDIT unless you treat it as a wave because of its wave-particle duality?



Holy god damn, thats fast, thanks for putting it into context. My brain when it thinks of how fast its been told light is, recalls something like "takes like from the sun like 4-7 days to reach earth"

more like 8-9 minutes ;D
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
April 25 2011 08:43 GMT
#85
On April 25 2011 12:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
quick question:

does time slow down for the light traveling at the speed of light? the speed of light changes in certain mediums so does time speed up for light when it travels through those mediums (such as diamond with a high index of refraction) and then slow back down as it exits the medium back into air?

if so, what is the rate at which it slows down compared to the rate at which time slows down for you "running at 2.9*10^8" so that it still appears to be going 3E8 to both you at 2.9E8 and the stationary observer. (in other words how much does time slow down per unit of velocity, or does it only slow down for acceleration? and does it speed up or slow down if you deccelerate?)

also, technically speaking, does time slow down if I'm accelerating in a car from 0 to 60 mph (only the amount which time slows would be negligible/unnoticed since the acceleration is negligible)? or is it only a phenomena at high speeds?


Time is stopped entirely for a photon (or anything) travelling at the speed of light. Just put v=c in the equations time dilation (gamma) = 1/(sqrt.(1-v^2/c^2). If v = c, then it becomes 1/0 which is infinite, so time is slowed by an infinite amount, and thus is "stopped".
Though that is only for the photon itself, it doesnt age at all. It doesnt mean that it travels though time infinitely fast.

And yes, time does slow if you're in a car going 60mph. But it is so tiny (as in, infinitesimal) that it makes no difference. I seem to remember Stephen Hawking saying that you could technically make yourself live a little further into the future by staying on a plane for many years, but your life would be cut even shorter by having to survive on air line food!
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
Kogut
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States147 Posts
April 25 2011 08:47 GMT
#86
Happy birthday, and lovely post. Took a few upper division Philosophy courses on Space, Time, and Quantum Mechanics in college, and this was always a pretty fun topic to discuss.
CHILL GET OUT
sceroh
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium182 Posts
April 25 2011 09:10 GMT
#87
On April 25 2011 13:09 Kujawa wrote:
the reasone the video is wrong is because in order to slow time u need to be going near the speed of light

Actually you "only" need 10% of lightspeed in order to slow time. It will only be more important as you become faster
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 25 2011 13:49 GMT
#88
On April 25 2011 13:47 Dave[9] wrote:
Can I be the first to say that it would be really REALLY cool to have LaTeX integrated into the forums so we didnt have to look at crappy text formula's?

Oh man, that would be so ridiculous. It'd be kind of silly though considering what this forum is actually supposed to be for. Not a lot of need for LaTeX when discussing Starcraft and progaming.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
April 25 2011 16:47 GMT
#89
lol in australia this is year 12 physics

On April 25 2011 18:10 sceroh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 13:09 Kujawa wrote:
the reasone the video is wrong is because in order to slow time u need to be going near the speed of light

Actually you "only" need 10% of lightspeed in order to slow time. It will only be more important as you become faster

10% of light speed is still out of our reach.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
April 25 2011 16:54 GMT
#90
On April 25 2011 12:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
quick question:

does time slow down for the light traveling at the speed of light? the speed of light changes in certain mediums so does time speed up for light when it travels through those mediums (such as diamond with a high index of refraction) and then slow back down as it exits the medium back into air?

if so, what is the rate at which it slows down compared to the rate at which time slows down for you "running at 2.9*10^8" so that it still appears to be going 3E8 to both you at 2.9E8 and the stationary observer. (in other words how much does time slow down per unit of velocity, or does it only slow down for acceleration? and does it speed up or slow down if you deccelerate?)

also, technically speaking, does time slow down if I'm accelerating in a car from 0 to 60 mph (only the amount which time slows would be negligible/unnoticed since the acceleration is negligible)? or is it only a phenomena at high speeds?

You're still thinking within the box, you have to expand your mind.

Light is not affected by 'time'. 'Time' is not constant. The one and only thing that is constant for everyone in any inertial frame of reference is the speed of light. Time is different for different people in different inertial reference frames. You have to understand this, it is at the core of special relativity. ie. The whole premise of your post is invalid.

tl;dr no

One more thing:

TIME DOES NOT SLOW DOWN FOR YOU EVER
Even if you're going at super fast speeds, time will seem exactly the same in your eyes. It will be everyone else speeding up, not you slowing down.
lalala
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
April 26 2011 17:09 GMT
#91
On April 26 2011 01:54 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
quick question:

does time slow down for the light traveling at the speed of light? the speed of light changes in certain mediums so does time speed up for light when it travels through those mediums (such as diamond with a high index of refraction) and then slow back down as it exits the medium back into air?

if so, what is the rate at which it slows down compared to the rate at which time slows down for you "running at 2.9*10^8" so that it still appears to be going 3E8 to both you at 2.9E8 and the stationary observer. (in other words how much does time slow down per unit of velocity, or does it only slow down for acceleration? and does it speed up or slow down if you deccelerate?)

also, technically speaking, does time slow down if I'm accelerating in a car from 0 to 60 mph (only the amount which time slows would be negligible/unnoticed since the acceleration is negligible)? or is it only a phenomena at high speeds?

You're still thinking within the box, you have to expand your mind.

Light is not affected by 'time'. 'Time' is not constant. The one and only thing that is constant for everyone in any inertial frame of reference is the speed of light. Time is different for different people in different inertial reference frames. You have to understand this, it is at the core of special relativity. ie. The whole premise of your post is invalid.

tl;dr no

One more thing:

TIME DOES NOT SLOW DOWN FOR YOU EVER
Even if you're going at super fast speeds, time will seem exactly the same in your eyes. It will be everyone else speeding up, not you slowing down.


Actually, time will appear to move slowly for the stationary reference frame while you are moving near the speed of light. Conversely, the stationary reference frame will see time moving for you slowly. At first glance, this is very counter-intuitive but if you switch reference frames, so the one speeding along is the stationary reference frame and the one at the origin is the speeding reference frame then you should be seeing the same thing (time moving slowly).
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