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On November 30 2004 12:05 SickofLife wrote:
He's a bum who's probably never had a job, and doesn't know that work is never enjoyable, because it's work. You don't have to hate it, but you'll never enjoy it. Once you have to do something every day for eight hours straight, you aren't having fun with it anymore, because you can't just stop, and do something else, you have to keep doing your job, because that's what gets you money. Even games get boring when you're forced to play them. Never take up a hobby as a full-time job, that'd be my advice. (This is directed at no one in particular)
If you really think this way I feel very sorry for you.
I've been writing/drawing comic books seriously (at a pro-am level, I self publish with friends and distribute at conventions until I (hopefully) can break into the industry) for 5-6 years now, countless hours drawing, painting, designing, writing, publishing, etc. There's really no feeling in life like finishing that project hours before (or just after  ) deadline, sleep deprivation kicking your ass after drawing for 20 hours a day, when you dream about how to lay out the next page at night because you're consumed by the desire to get the highest level of quality into your work. For now I also work a desk job to pay the bills, sure, but I spend an awful lot of time drawing even here... =_=
Of course art isn't a hobby for me, it's just something I need to do *all the time*. When I was playing WoW, which is a hobby, 10 hours a day (trying to get as high a level as possible during OB) I would get sick of it in ways I never get sick of art. I may get the occasional nervous breakdown from stress, sure, but that's just part of the fun of it ^_^
I don't believe this is something limited to art either. Music, writing, running a small business, athletics, science, computer programming, game design, coaching, teaching, cooking, there are so many opportunities to make a living for yourself besides being a cog in a big business' money making machine. Try lots of different stuff until you find something that clicks and feels right, something that challenges you and is rewarding, something you don't necessarily enjoy 24 hours a day, but that you love doing none the less. My friend who went to school at the art institute of Boston for a semester said the average incoming freshman there was like 27 - these are people who had worked other jobs for many years before deciding to pursue a more meaningful career, just because the councelors at school make it seem like you need to know what you're doing for the rest of your life by age 18, doesn't mean it's true...
To me one of the most depressing things I see in the world today is the number of people who just accept mediocrity and never strive for anything really great for themselves. To be fair not everyone is capable or will be happy doing that (I have many friends who are just more happy in a mediocre job trying to make money and collect nice things), but if going home at the end of the day and watching TV on your new 35 inch plasma screen isn't enough to balance out having to be a zombie from 9-5, then maybe it's time to look for another way of living...
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I feel kinda what you feel but in a slightly different way. It is not a job or work that would mind-numbingly bore me, but just a completely standard life and standard stupid people. It's my first semester at college and I already can't stand it, I don't know what work would be like.
I'm dropping out to live a life that I won't regret living. If I can't cut it, I tried.
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On November 30 2004 11:09 SW)RIF wrote:If history has taught us anything, ambition and drive go a long way. I have neither so i choose contentment instead  Seriously though, learn 20 languages, become a consultant for a huge company, travel/meet new people/and try new things when your abroad. All you have to do is spent hours upon hours learning langauges for the rest of your life =D
HALP, I need a pen-friend from Germany. And one from Austria too, because my teacher likes to give us words like cauliflower in austrian(?)dialect which cant be found in any of the online dictionaries I know o_o
btw. is bulgarian/finnish/norwegian hard to learn? only few people know these languages, so I could try learning one of them.
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No 9-5 for me. I work from noon to 11 pm =)
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On November 30 2004 12:55 analogkensho wrote:
To me one of the most depressing things I see in the world today is the number of people who just accept mediocrity and never strive for anything really great for themselves. To be fair not everyone is capable or will be happy doing that (I have many friends who are just more happy in a mediocre job trying to make money and collect nice things), but if going home at the end of the day and watching TV on your new 35 inch plasma screen isn't enough to balance out having to be a zombie from 9-5, then maybe it's time to look for another way of living...
Exactly.
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On November 30 2004 12:05 SickofLife wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 11:49 SCFraser wrote:On November 30 2004 11:47 shizuru wrote:
do something you love. meaning, do something you wouldn't mind doing as the dominant thing in your life. if it's slacking off and having fun or working hard at something, you'll know if you're happy or not. so my advice: quit that job and try something else. you only live once. what do u do? He's a bum who's probably never had a job, and doesn't know that work is never enjoyable, because it's work. You don't have to hate it, but you'll never enjoy it. Once you have to do something every day for eight hours straight, you aren't having fun with it anymore, because you can't just stop, and do something else, you have to keep doing your job, because that's what gets you money. Even games get boring when you're forced to play them. Never take up a hobby as a full-time job, that'd be my advice. (This is directed at no one in particular)
how about letting me respond before you start making half-assed assumptions, hmm? well, my work experience boils down as this: many many weekends helping out at my parent's store when i was in elementary and junior high; campus book store for a semester; starbucks for 3 years; worked as a p.a. for an independent film for a month, and other volunteer, nonvolunteer stuff in between i don't feel like recalling right now.
i've been doing IT during the past two year's breaks, not quite 8 hrs, but 5-6 hrs a day. or does that disqualify me in your eyes? i'm about to get out of college and am looking to go into film. i assure you, i'll be doing something i love in there and it's prrobably going to mean years of starving but whatever. i've i've gone without eating before. i'd say what it is i do but then i'd jinx it. and of course i cant do ONLY that all my life, i have other hobbies that keep me from going insane although they keep changing. tennis...reading...starcraft...movies...etc etc my advice: pick the hobby you love most and go with it. or you can be like sickoflife. would you really want advice from someone with a nick like that anyway?
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Come to Spain, we have lots of sun . Right now is probably the darkest stage of the gear. The sun rises at 7:40~8 am and falls at 5~5:30 pm, so it's quite good.
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On November 30 2004 13:22 shizuru wrote:
how about letting me respond before you start making half-assed assumptions, hmm? well, my work experience boils down as this: many many weekends helping out at my parent's store when i was in elementary and junior high; campus book store for a semester; starbucks for 3 years; worked as a p.a. for an independent film for a month, and other volunteer, nonvolunteer stuff in between i don't feel like recalling right now.
i've been doing IT during the past two year's breaks, not quite 8 hrs, but 5-6 hrs a day. or does that disqualify me in your eyes? i'm about to get out of college and am looking to go into film. i assure you, i'll be doing something i love in there and it's prrobably going to mean years of starving but whatever. i've i've gone without eating before. i'd say what it is i do but then i'd jinx it. and of course i cant do ONLY that all my life, i have other hobbies that keep me from going insane although they keep changing. tennis...reading...starcraft...movies...etc etc my advice: pick the hobby you love most and go with it. or you can be like sickoflife. would you really want advice from someone with a nick like that anyway?
Film huh.. thats pretty cool. Film is probably my favorite art form.. so easy to express so much with film.
I've always been good with strategy.. logic things like that.. so I wanna try running my own business one day. That might be something i could love
Either that or something where i could help people.. or maybe make the world better somehow
(Prime Minister of Canada??) lol..
TigG I was in Spain last summer for a few days.. Barcelona is a sweet city.. except for the pickpockets!!
Other than that though I had an awesome time there, one of my fav places in europe.
btw u have really REALLY agressive prostitutes!!
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On November 30 2004 11:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:hm yeah I am currently working in a job where I don't really do much worthwhile, basically in norway we have this mandatory army thing which sucks, however you can easily get out of it through claiming you're a pacifist. however then you're forced to do some kind of other work instead. and then I applied for a job at my former highschool, a place which I absolutely looooooooooooved, so now I'm working there as an "assistant" so far I've spent most of my time in a library browsing and reading comic books, eventually I will swap those with real books (reading is something I intend on doing a lot of this year) so I mean, I'm having a good time. the students are quite a lot of fun, and the teachers are cooler than at any other school in the UNIVERSE. but it's not really "worthwhile", nor challenging. not to mention that I absolutely fucking hate oh my god jesus christ it sucks so hard ghdfafhasbfgvuyasbgvdfsugbds WAKING UP WHY DOES WORK START BEFORE NOON? WHAT KIND OF FUCKING RETARD DECIDED THAT WORK SHOULD START AT 8:30? EIGHT THIRTY AM and thats not even considered early so I wonder what the fuck kind of job I'm going to have which will allow me to go to bed at 8:30 instead, like I'm supposed to. so yeah I'm overall having a good time. but not doing anything at all was better, even though most people I talk to felt that not doing anything became boring after a couple of months, I'm not like that at all.  might be related to summer/winter too though. the trondheimian summer is perfect. never dark, going out and playing football at 2-4 am not TOO hot, but walking around in shorts is comfortable, and occasionally it gets quite warm. etc its soo good. however winter is the complete opposite. 
When I had a summerjob I started 6.00am which means that I go up 5.00am that is fucking insane
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this thread is why i play poker
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I tried that and im down like 2 large.. which is like 25 days in this chair...
I think i need to start playin higher stakes..
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On November 30 2004 13:06 8882 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 11:09 SW)RIF wrote:If history has taught us anything, ambition and drive go a long way. I have neither so i choose contentment instead Seriously though, learn 20 languages, become a consultant for a huge company, travel/meet new people/and try new things when your abroad. All you have to do is spent hours upon hours learning langauges for the rest of your life =D HALP, I need a pen-friend from Germany. And one from Austria too, because my teacher likes to give us words like cauliflower in austrian(?) which cant be found in any of the online dictionaries I know o_o btw. is bulgarian/finnish/norwegian hard to learn? only few people know these languages, so I could try learning one of them.
that must be hard since there's no such language as austrian
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Analogkensho, do you have a website with your art on it? I love comic book art and would be interested in seeing your work.
As for the topic at hand. I agree, I was going to be a computer science major, but couldn't stand the thought of writing code for the rest of my life (even though I enjoy it). So I went into music instead. Not much money in it, but it's my calling. Money != happiness.
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On November 30 2004 14:51 SCFraser wrote:
I tried that and im down like 2 large.. which is like 25 days in this chair...
I think i need to start playin higher stakes..
Umm...am I the only one who thinks that if someone can't beat the stakes they play, they probably shouldn't play HIGHER stakes?
Anyways, I am a management consultant, which I admit for many people is "selling out to the man" because they only take the job for the salary, but for me it is actually pretty much my dream job. I get to travel (South Africa and Australia so far) on the company dime, work with bright, interesting people, and am always learning so many new things about each business I work with that I am never bored. Of course, the salary doesn't hurt either. I was thinking of going straight to law school, but decided that I needed to work first to see what the "real world" was like. Best decision I ever made. Definitely not going back to law school now. I think that whatever you do, be it comic books, film making, consulting, or investment banking, loving what you do is definitely the most important thing. As has been said before in this thread, the quality of your life when you are old and looking back on it will almost certainly be most affected by how happy you were, and that happiness is much more likely to come from personal satisfaction than from a plasma TV. Although, for the record, watching DVDs on my plasma TV is great.
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NEVER work in something you dont like, you will feel unsatisfied for the rest of your life, choose something you like, even if the salary is lower, you wont regret it.
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On November 30 2004 15:19 GogUMagog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2004 14:51 SCFraser wrote:
I tried that and im down like 2 large.. which is like 25 days in this chair...
I think i need to start playin higher stakes.. Umm...am I the only one who thinks that if someone can't beat the stakes they play, they probably shouldn't play HIGHER stakes? Anyways, I am a management consultant, which I admit for many people is "selling out to the man" because they only take the job for the salary, but for me it is actually pretty much my dream job. I get to travel (South Africa and Australia so far) on the company dime, work with bright, interesting people, and am always learning so many new things about each business I work with that I am never bored. Of course, the salary doesn't hurt either. I was thinking of going straight to law school, but decided that I needed to work first to see what the "real world" was like. Best decision I ever made. Definitely not going back to law school now. I think that whatever you do, be it comic books, film making, consulting, or investment banking, loving what you do is definitely the most important thing. As has been said before in this thread, the quality of your life when you are old and looking back on it will almost certainly be most affected by how happy you were, and that happiness is much more likely to come from personal satisfaction than from a plasma TV. Although, for the record, watching DVDs on my plasma TV is great.
How did u get into management consulting?
What company do u work for, and what does a management consultant do on an average day?
As for the poker thing i say that because low stakes poker is actually really hard to play in that I cant read my opponents cause they could be making a good play or it could be retarded. You never know what people are gonna be in on.. if I start playing 50 dollar tournies instead of 5 10 dollar tournies maybe ill be able to get more of a read.
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As for the poker thing i say that because low stakes poker is actually really hard to play in that I cant read my opponents cause they could be making a good play or it could be retarded. You never know what people are gonna be in on.. if I start playing 50 dollar tournies instead of 5 10 dollar tournies maybe ill be able to get more of a read.
Low stakes poker it is hard to make fancy plays or get a read on your opponent. It is very easy to be quite profitable (relative to stakes) by playing ABC poker, betting huge with big hands and avoiding marginal situations where your opponent may be bluffing, just plain stupid, or have something big himself.
I remember when I thought high stakes poker would have to be "easier" cuz you can read people better and such. Though it is true you CAN put people on a hand more accurately, higher stakes poker overall is by no means easier than low stakes.
This is off topic though, very few people can avoid the 9-5 by gambling. I think I might be able to, and I'm sure as hell gonna try, but I know if I can't through poker I will find some other way. I would despise being in the situation you are in, but I know most people can handle it. I wouldn't be able to, so I'm finding alternatives.
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On November 30 2004 14:56 Mark wrote:
Analogkensho, do you have a website with your art on it? I love comic book art and would be interested in seeing your work.
I'm working on a site now, I'll be making a thread on it when it's done. Lots of things to do, not lots of time, you know the drill. =_=
And regarding the fellow who works in big biz and mentioned it being 'selling out' - I think that's great that you found something you enjoy. I think there's just as much meaning and importance to working a job in business as there is in making art or music or whatever. Meaning in life is created by us from what we have to work with, there's no rule about what you have to do to be happy and passionate about your work.
Best of luck to everyone I guess - it's a long-term process I think, I was lucky enough to stumble into something I loved early on, but I needed a lot of people to push me along to really follow through on it... it's tough.
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On November 30 2004 15:49 RoTaNiMoD wrote:Show nested quote +As for the poker thing i say that because low stakes poker is actually really hard to play in that I cant read my opponents cause they could be making a good play or it could be retarded. You never know what people are gonna be in on.. if I start playing 50 dollar tournies instead of 5 10 dollar tournies maybe ill be able to get more of a read. Low stakes poker it is hard to make fancy plays or get a read on your opponent. It is very easy to be quite profitable (relative to stakes) by playing ABC poker, betting huge with big hands and avoiding marginal situations where your opponent may be bluffing, just plain stupid, or have something big himself. I remember when I thought high stakes poker would have to be "easier" cuz you can read people better and such. Though it is true you CAN put people on a hand more accurately, higher stakes poker overall is by no means easier than low stakes. This is off topic though, very few people can avoid the 9-5 by gambling. I think I might be able to, and I'm sure as hell gonna try, but I know if I can't through poker I will find some other way. I would despise being in the situation you are in, but I know most people can handle it. I wouldn't be able to, so I'm finding alternatives.
Ya i dont think there is as much bluffing from most players in low stakes (intentional anyway)
for example I was playin the other day 8 person table i get delt Ace nine so i make moderate preflop raise in a good position. Guy after me goes all in so i fold it, someone in the blinds called with a pocket pair, so i got to see that the guy had A2d.. hits the ace and wins.
Just stupid shit like that kills me. Maybe i'm not patient enough to play tight enough i dunno.
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On November 30 2004 15:40 SCFraser wrote:
How did u get into management consulting?
What company do u work for, and what does a management consultant do on an average day?
As for the poker thing i say that because low stakes poker is actually really hard to play in that I cant read my opponents cause they could be making a good play or it could be retarded. You never know what people are gonna be in on.. if I start playing 50 dollar tournies instead of 5 10 dollar tournies maybe ill be able to get more of a read.
I got into consulting straight out of school, but I tried a lot of other things first during the summers. It was basically a progression. I had thought I wanted to be a lawyer for a long time. So, one summer I worked at a law firm as a paralegal. It was fun and somewhat interesting, but being a lawyer seemed like too much paper work for my taste. Then I heard about consulting and it seemed interesting. So, I was talking to a friend one day and he offered me a job at his IT consulting firm. I worked there one summer and enjoyed the work, but I liked the consulting more than the IT. Seeing as how I have been interested in business for a while (I studied economics in school) I figured that management consulting would be perfect. So the next summer I applied for internships at management consulting firms and took a job at a small management consulting firm which only works in the financial services sector called Oliver, Wyman & Company (I minored in finance, so this was a perfect fit.) I loved the internship, so I took a full time job there (it has since been bought by Mercer and is now called Mercer Oliver Wyman.)
What do we do on an average day? Damned if I know what an 'average' day is. Basically, firms hire us to answer questions. The thing that makes it interesting is that those questions can be basically anything. Should we open branches in Mexico? Who should we lend to? Should we sell this division? Should we buy this company? How do we compare to other banks/insurance companies/etc? Yada yada yada. Every project is quite different, which is what makes it cool.
As for the poker: I have made about 1.5K over the past month playing $25 NL tables at UB. I would have made twice that if I hadn't been a retard and strayed from ABC poker. Just never bluff and assume no one is bluffing and you will make money. Now, of course, I will have to mix it up because everyone reading this will now bluff me on UB.
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