On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
On May 31 2013 21:01 imperator-xy wrote: this was so predictable. as long as the rebels have the upper hand, the western countries remain quiet. now, as the government seems to win the conflict, suddenly there are "proofs" for the use of chemical weapons and stuff like this.
This occured more than a month ago, why bring it up now?
Or should I say, they brought it up a month ago because assad is "winning" now?
On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
To me it seems that any military intervention will only increase the conflict. Not sure what the world should do now ...
The United States and Germany told Russia that arming President Bashar al-Assad's forces could jeopardise international efforts for a peace conference on Syria.
Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking after talks with his German counterpart Guido Westerwelle, said on Friday Russia's plans to deliver S-300 missiles to Syria were "not helpful" while trying to organise a peace conference to end the conflict.
The missile shipment also posed a threat to Israel's security, he added.
Despite their differences, the United States and Russia are trying to convene an international conference in June to end a 26-month-old conflict that has killed more than 80,000 people and threatens to engulf more countries in the Middle East.
Washington is hoping that the conference, known as "Geneva 2" after a first conference last year in the Swiss city, will lead to a transitional government in Syria.
Russia has said it is committed to fulfilling a 2010 contract with Assad's government for S-300 long-range surface-to-air missiles as a deterrent against foreign military intervention.
It slammed an EU decision this week to ease an embargo on arming the rebels - a move a European diplomat said was aimed at demonstrating to Assad that the West could eventually arm rebel forces.
Westerwelle told Russia that delivering the missiles "is totally wrong."
i dont know the veracity of this but i think its interesting
50 000 Russian militaries want to come to Syria to fight on the Asad's side
I call you to form volunteer Russian-Ukrainian army and help the president of Syrian Arabic Republic Bashar Asad to reestablish the constitution order. We have 72 officers in Ukraine. We can easily form a number of subdivisions. These subdivisions will solve the problem of constitution order in Syria. In return to this we ask Syrian government to give us citizenship, to give insurance to our families, and to help us to build houses in that place, where we'll choose after the end of war. It can be Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia or any other place. When we return after the end of war we'll choose our living place. We made today the official statement, sent message to Syrian government, president Asad, Syrian Ambassador in Ukraine and Commander of the Black Sea Fleet of Russian Federation to help us with delivery of volunteers to Syrian Arabic Republic. I call you to do this. I must do something, that you won't be ashamed of.
I call you to form volunteer Russian-Ukrainian army and help the president of Syrian Arabic Republic Bashar Asad to reestablish the constitution order. We have 72 officers in Ukraine. We can easily form a number of subdivisions. These subdivisions will solve the problem of constitution order in Syria. In return to this we ask Syrian government to give us citizenship, to give insurance to our families, and to help us to build houses in that place, where we'll choose after the end of war. It can be Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia or any other place. When we return after the end of war we'll choose our living place. We made today the official statement, sent message to Syrian government, president Asad, Syrian Ambassador in Ukraine and Commander of the Black Sea Fleet of Russian Federation to help us with delivery of volunteers to Syrian Arabic Republic. I call you to do this. I must do something, that you won't be ashamed of.
That's one crazy video.
Have you heard the recent rumblings about al-Duvair? I don't know what happened, or who killed them. If there is any truth that a whole christian village was wiped out by the Rebels, that is going to end badly.
According to the Assyrian International News Agency (AINA), forces of the Free Syrian Army massacred the village on May 27: “The armed rebels affiliated to the Free Syrian Army (FSA) raided the Christian-populated al-Duvair village in Reef (outskirts of) Homs near the border with Lebanon today and massacred all its civilian residents, including women and children. The Syrian army, however, intervened and killed tens of terrorists during heavy clashes which are still going on in al-Duvair village.”
I'm not saying it's true, simply gawking at how adsurd a event like that could be twisted. I'm struggling with Assad doing it and attempting to pull some mind games. Doesn't mean the FSA did it. Incredibly sensitve subject. I understand.
On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
To me it seems that any military intervention will only increase the conflict. Not sure what the world should do now ...
Never thought I would say this, but in this case I would be a big supporter of the US or Israel working together to take over Syria, stabilize the region, and then work with the Syrian opposition to create a viable transitional government. The Iraq war took only a few days if I remember correctly, and although there were many terrorist events during the interim, I think Iraq is actually fairly stable now; so I think in the long run it would be much better for the people in Syria. Especially considering that if no one intervenes, I think its probable that Hezbollah and Assad will win...as their latest victory in hard fought Qusair seems to lean towards more power being on the Syrian government's side now. Edit: And now parts of the Russian military are openly trying to join in with Assad to kill more civilians -.-
Now its very unlikely that US forces will be involved, but I think that Israel has enough military power to exert similar control (not sure on this point); certainly their air strikes could be crippling enough for the rebels to do most of the invading.
If its feasible, it would be a great move for Israel. They would almost certainly gain an ally in the region by helping the rebels form a new government, and then they could work with them to stamp out the Hezbollah terrorists who aided Assad. Not to imply I am an undying supporter of Israel, their occupation of various lands around them should come to an end with international pressure (even Israel admits it is illegal!). But still they have the potential to do a lot of good, and it really is in their interest to gain allies in the region.
On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
To me it seems that any military intervention will only increase the conflict. Not sure what the world should do now ...
Never thought I would say this, but in this case I would be a big supporter of the US or Israel working together to take over Syria, stabilize the region, and then work with the Syrian opposition to create a viable transitional government. The Iraq war took only a few days if I remember correctly, and although there were many terrorist events during the interim, I think Iraq is actually fairly stable now; so I think in the long run it would be much better for the people in Syria. Especially considering that if no one intervenes, I think its probable that Hezbollah and Assad will win...as their latest victory in hard fought Qusair seems to lean towards more power being on the Syrian government's side now. Edit: And now parts of the Russian military are openly trying to join in with Assad to kill more civilians -.-
Now its very unlikely that US forces will be involved, but I think that Israel has enough military power to exert similar control (not sure on this point); certainly their air strikes could be crippling enough for the rebels to do most of the invading.
If its feasible, it would be a great move for Israel. They would almost certainly gain an ally in the region by helping the rebels form a new government, and then they could work with them to stamp out the Hezbollah terrorists who aided Assad. Not to imply I am an undying supporter of Israel, their occupation of various lands around them should come to an end with international pressure (even Israel admits it is illegal!). But still they have the potential to do a lot of good, and it really is in their interest to gain allies in the region.
Israel will intervene the moment either Hezbollah or Al-Qaida affiliates are about to get their hands on chemical weapons, because those two groups would have no qualms about using them. That will still be a disaster for Israel, even if they manage to destroy all the chemical weapons... unless Assad/Hezbollah/Iranian troops launch a MAJOR attack, in case they are losing badly. Which they aren't, as long as Russia can still milk more money from the situation.
Politicians in neighboring countries wave the "Israel is evil" flag every time they want popular support, and no matter how it happens, the international fallout will be this: There will be a wave of condemnations from every politician that wants the Muslim vote, starting with France who do everything to seem pro-Lebanon, which these days is pro-Hezbollah. The UN human rights council (who has condemned Israel more than Syria, Congo, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia combined) will pass a few resolutions condemning this act as Israel being racist, and as usual, that will appear in every single international news outlet. This will be followed by the UK organizing an academic embargo on Israel (something they have been trying to do already), and will gain a lot of support (despite never doing that to said North Korea, Congo, Saudi Arabia, etc).
The fallout will be immense, and considering Israel has internal problems at the moment (the secular politicians trying to cut the religious influences down to size, an increasingly large gap between the poor and the rich, nearly as extreme as the US, etc), this would be a huge thing. And the worst of it is that if the rebels win, they will be touted as Israeli puppets by Iran and co, and it will harm the long term stability of the region.
On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
To me it seems that any military intervention will only increase the conflict. Not sure what the world should do now ...
Never thought I would say this, but in this case I would be a big supporter of the US or Israel working together to take over Syria, stabilize the region, and then work with the Syrian opposition to create a viable transitional government. The Iraq war took only a few days if I remember correctly, and although there were many terrorist events during the interim, I think Iraq is actually fairly stable now; so I think in the long run it would be much better for the people in Syria. Especially considering that if no one intervenes, I think its probable that Hezbollah and Assad will win...as their latest victory in hard fought Qusair seems to lean towards more power being on the Syrian government's side now. Edit: And now parts of the Russian military are openly trying to join in with Assad to kill more civilians -.-
Now its very unlikely that US forces will be involved, but I think that Israel has enough military power to exert similar control (not sure on this point); certainly their air strikes could be crippling enough for the rebels to do most of the invading.
If its feasible, it would be a great move for Israel. They would almost certainly gain an ally in the region by helping the rebels form a new government, and then they could work with them to stamp out the Hezbollah terrorists who aided Assad. Not to imply I am an undying supporter of Israel, their occupation of various lands around them should come to an end with international pressure (even Israel admits it is illegal!). But still they have the potential to do a lot of good, and it really is in their interest to gain allies in the region.
Your post makes you sound so naive it isn't even funny. So you wan't to hand the power to Alqaeda and other terrorists that don't have democracy and the well being of the Syrian people in mind ? Iraq fairly stable now with hundreds of innocents dying everyday when they go to the market buy food? Your notion of stability is very interesting. I for one hope Hezbollah and the Syrian Army destroy the terrorists
i think radscorpions idea of stabilizing the region and working with the opposition to create a transitional government would be the best solution as well. the opposition has different factions fighting for different causes. i don't know if it is too late and if there is a viable opposition faction to work with.
maybe these guys!
In mid-May, around 200 activists—including prominent National Coalition members such as Michel Kilo, former SNC chairman Burhan Ghalioun, and several others who opposed Hitto in the March vote—announced they were setting up a new opposition grouping. They formed the Union of Syrian Democrats to “mobilize Syria’s ‘silent majority’” and preempt the Muslim Brotherhood from “grasping power here [as in] Tunisia and Egypt.” This “democratic pole,” as Kilo initially labeled it, hopes to provide a counterweight to the Muslim Brotherhood and the other main faction in the National Coalition, which is led by its secretary general, Mustafa Sabbagh, who is widely regarded as “Qatar’s man” in the coalition.
On May 31 2013 17:54 ImFromPortugal wrote: Russia to deliver military aircraft to Syria in accordance with contract; unlikely to deliver S-300 air defenses before autumn - @Reuters
Damn it . Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
To me it seems that any military intervention will only increase the conflict. Not sure what the world should do now ...
Never thought I would say this, but in this case I would be a big supporter of the US or Israel working together to take over Syria, stabilize the region, and then work with the Syrian opposition to create a viable transitional government. The Iraq war took only a few days if I remember correctly, and although there were many terrorist events during the interim, I think Iraq is actually fairly stable now; so I think in the long run it would be much better for the people in Syria. Especially considering that if no one intervenes, I think its probable that Hezbollah and Assad will win...as their latest victory in hard fought Qusair seems to lean towards more power being on the Syrian government's side now. Edit: And now parts of the Russian military are openly trying to join in with Assad to kill more civilians -.-
Now its very unlikely that US forces will be involved, but I think that Israel has enough military power to exert similar control (not sure on this point); certainly their air strikes could be crippling enough for the rebels to do most of the invading.
If its feasible, it would be a great move for Israel. They would almost certainly gain an ally in the region by helping the rebels form a new government, and then they could work with them to stamp out the Hezbollah terrorists who aided Assad. Not to imply I am an undying supporter of Israel, their occupation of various lands around them should come to an end with international pressure (even Israel admits it is illegal!). But still they have the potential to do a lot of good, and it really is in their interest to gain allies in the region.
Israel will intervene the moment either Hezbollah or Al-Qaida affiliates are about to get their hands on chemical weapons, because those two groups would have no qualms about using them. That will still be a disaster for Israel, even if they manage to destroy all the chemical weapons... unless Assad/Hezbollah/Iranian troops launch a MAJOR attack, in case they are losing badly. Which they aren't, as long as Russia can still milk more money from the situation.
Politicians in neighboring countries wave the "Israel is evil" flag every time they want popular support, and no matter how it happens, the international fallout will be this: There will be a wave of condemnations from every politician that wants the Muslim vote, starting with France who do everything to seem pro-Lebanon, which these days is pro-Hezbollah. The UN human rights council (who has condemned Israel more than Syria, Congo, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia combined) will pass a few resolutions condemning this act as Israel being racist, and as usual, that will appear in every single international news outlet. This will be followed by the UK organizing an academic embargo on Israel (something they have been trying to do already), and will gain a lot of support (despite never doing that to said North Korea, Congo, Saudi Arabia, etc).
The fallout will be immense, and considering Israel has internal problems at the moment (the secular politicians trying to cut the religious influences down to size, an increasingly large gap between the poor and the rich, nearly as extreme as the US, etc), this would be a huge thing. And the worst of it is that if the rebels win, they will be touted as Israeli puppets by Iran and co, and it will harm the long term stability of the region.
edit: removed redundancy.
I'll take the choice that the rebels are seen as puppets over the alternative. Also, I think that the extent to which the reverberations will be seen from the rebels winning, at least when it comes to affecting israel, are being taken to the extreme in your comment.
France says it is certain that the nerve agent sarin has been used in Syria on several occasions following tests it has carried out on samples recovered from the country.
"These tests show the presence of sarin in various samples in our possession," Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement on Tuesday, adding that the test results had been handed to the United Nations.
The Syrian regime and the opposition have traded accusations that the other side have used chemical weapons during the two-year-long conflict.
"We have no doubt that the gas is being used ... the laboratory tests are clear," he told France 2 television about the bllod and hair samples later on Tuesday. "There is no doubt that the regime and its accomplices" are using them, he added.
France has been testing samples of suspected chemical weapon elements for several weeks, including some smuggled out by reporters from the French daily Le Monde.
"It would be unacceptable that those guilty of these crimes remain unpunished," Fabius said.
Use of chemical weapons is illegal under international law.
An exiled chemist who worked on developing Syria's chemical weapons told Al Jazeera last month that the country's stockpile comprises 700 tonnes of sarin agent.
The French statement came as UN investigators said there was mounting evidence that both sides have committed massacres, engaged in torture and used
Rebels fighting the Syrian regime have shot dead a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents and siblings after accusing him of blasphemy, an activist group said...
"An unidentified Islamist rebel group shot dead a 15-year-old child who worked as a coffee seller in Aleppo, after they accused him of blasphemy," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.
Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said...
The Observatory condemned the execution as "criminal" and said it was a gift to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"This kind of criminality is exactly what makes people in Syria fear the fall of the regime," Abdel Rahman said...
Meanwhile, government troops on Sunday were preparing to launch an offensive in the north of the country.
Syrian daily al-Watan said the army has "started to deploy at a large scale in Aleppo province, in preparation for a battle that will be fought in the city and its outskirts".
Rebels fighting the Syrian regime have shot dead a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents and siblings after accusing him of blasphemy, an activist group said...
"An unidentified Islamist rebel group shot dead a 15-year-old child who worked as a coffee seller in Aleppo, after they accused him of blasphemy," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.
Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said...
The Observatory condemned the execution as "criminal" and said it was a gift to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"This kind of criminality is exactly what makes people in Syria fear the fall of the regime," Abdel Rahman said...
Meanwhile, government troops on Sunday were preparing to launch an offensive in the north of the country.
Syrian daily al-Watan said the army has "started to deploy at a large scale in Aleppo province, in preparation for a battle that will be fought in the city and its outskirts".
if its true, that is terrible. but considering 'the syrian observatory for human rights' is run out of a two bedroom apartment in london and is a one man organization i am mildly skeptical.
Rebels fighting the Syrian regime have shot dead a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents and siblings after accusing him of blasphemy, an activist group said...
"An unidentified Islamist rebel group shot dead a 15-year-old child who worked as a coffee seller in Aleppo, after they accused him of blasphemy," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.
Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said...
The Observatory condemned the execution as "criminal" and said it was a gift to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"This kind of criminality is exactly what makes people in Syria fear the fall of the regime," Abdel Rahman said...
Meanwhile, government troops on Sunday were preparing to launch an offensive in the north of the country.
Syrian daily al-Watan said the army has "started to deploy at a large scale in Aleppo province, in preparation for a battle that will be fought in the city and its outskirts".
if its true, that is terrible. but considering 'the syrian observatory for human rights' is run out of a two bedroom apartment in london and is a one man organization i am mildly skeptical.
I don't really think there's any need to be sceptical. It's well-known that radical muslims have been going to Syria to wage jihad and I would think that only the most fanatical of the fanatics would decide to do that. So you have the 0,01% (or whatever, probably less) most extreme islamists and then you traumatize them with a war they weren't ready for so their heads get even more messed up. I doubt they even care who they're fighting, as long as they can feel righteous. I expect that there are loads of similar stories that never reach that London apartment or anyone else, for that matter.
I call you to form volunteer Russian-Ukrainian army and help the president of Syrian Arabic Republic Bashar Asad to reestablish the constitution order. We have 72 officers in Ukraine. We can easily form a number of subdivisions. These subdivisions will solve the problem of constitution order in Syria. In return to this we ask Syrian government to give us citizenship, to give insurance to our families, and to help us to build houses in that place, where we'll choose after the end of war. It can be Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia or any other place. When we return after the end of war we'll choose our living place. We made today the official statement, sent message to Syrian government, president Asad, Syrian Ambassador in Ukraine and Commander of the Black Sea Fleet of Russian Federation to help us with delivery of volunteers to Syrian Arabic Republic. I call you to do this. I must do something, that you won't be ashamed of.
Too expensive imo, they are literally asking 50 000 houses as payment? I know private contractor get paid a lot, but I don't think it's as high as a house at location of their choice. If Syria has that much money somewhere, they'd probably would've won the conflict already.
Rebels fighting the Syrian regime have shot dead a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents and siblings after accusing him of blasphemy, an activist group said...
"An unidentified Islamist rebel group shot dead a 15-year-old child who worked as a coffee seller in Aleppo, after they accused him of blasphemy," said Syrian Observatory for Human Rights director Rami Abdel Rahman.
Abdel Rahman said the rebel group likely comprised foreigners.
"They spoke classical Arabic, not Syrian dialect," he said...
The Observatory condemned the execution as "criminal" and said it was a gift to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"This kind of criminality is exactly what makes people in Syria fear the fall of the regime," Abdel Rahman said...
Meanwhile, government troops on Sunday were preparing to launch an offensive in the north of the country.
Syrian daily al-Watan said the army has "started to deploy at a large scale in Aleppo province, in preparation for a battle that will be fought in the city and its outskirts".
if its true, that is terrible. but considering 'the syrian observatory for human rights' is run out of a two bedroom apartment in london and is a one man organization i am mildly skeptical.
I don't really think there's any need to be sceptical. It's well-known that radical muslims have been going to Syria to wage jihad and I would think that only the most fanatical of the fanatics would decide to do that. So you have the 0,01% (or whatever, probably less) most extreme islamists and then you traumatize them with a war they weren't ready for so their heads get even more messed up. I doubt they even care who they're fighting, as long as they can feel righteous. I expect that there are loads of similar stories that never reach that London apartment or anyone else, for that matter.
that may be true, but islamic fanatics generally are big fans of online video propaganda.
I call you to form volunteer Russian-Ukrainian army and help the president of Syrian Arabic Republic Bashar Asad to reestablish the constitution order. We have 72 officers in Ukraine. We can easily form a number of subdivisions. These subdivisions will solve the problem of constitution order in Syria. In return to this we ask Syrian government to give us citizenship, to give insurance to our families, and to help us to build houses in that place, where we'll choose after the end of war. It can be Ukraine, Montenegro, Serbia or any other place. When we return after the end of war we'll choose our living place. We made today the official statement, sent message to Syrian government, president Asad, Syrian Ambassador in Ukraine and Commander of the Black Sea Fleet of Russian Federation to help us with delivery of volunteers to Syrian Arabic Republic. I call you to do this. I must do something, that you won't be ashamed of.
Too expensive imo, they are literally asking 50 000 houses as payment? I know private contractor get paid a lot, but I don't think it's as high as a house at location of their choice. If Syria has that much money somewhere, they'd probably would've won the conflict already.
Sounds like 72 retired ex-Soviet Army losers who missed out being mercenaries in the 90s in Yugoslavia want their chance at a slightly less shity life than what they probably have in Ukraine. Considering that the two flags the guy is speaking behind are a Ukrainian one and a Soviet army division one, it would be hilarious to watch a bunch of geriatrics show up and try to fight.
EPT
. Israel was really the only good chance of ending this war, now we have to wait how many more months? We'll just have to hope that something provokes Israel into entering Syria. I think its becoming increasingly clear that military intervention is required to stop Assad's war against his own people
