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Please guys, stay on topic.
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On May 10 2013 04:16 Steveling wrote: If by "legit source" you mean western media I'll have to disappoint you. You can google it though and decide for yourself if it's fabricated or not. Ah, I see. I think I'm going to have to pass.
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Nasrallah: Syria will provide Hezbollah with 'game-changing' weapons
In televised speech, Hezbollah leader says his group would support Syrian effort to recapture Golan Heights from Israel.
According to the Daily Star, Nasrallah said Israel sought to achieve two objectives through the strikes: neutralize Syria in terms of the Israeli-Arab conflict, and prevent Hezbollah from building up its arsenal.
In response to alleged Israeli strikes, Nasrallah added, Damascus would provide the Lebanese resistance group with sophisticated weapons that it has not received in the past. He also said Hezbollah would support any group seeking to target Israel in the occupied Golan Heights.
The Hezbollah leader emphasized that his forces would support any Syrian effort to recapture the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
"We announce that we stand with the Syrian popular resistance and offer material and spiritual support as well as coordination in order to liberate the Syrian Golan," he said in a televised speech.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/nasrallah-syria-will-provide-hezbollah-with-game-changing-weapons-1.523203
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Britain says it has no evidence that Syrian rebels have used chemical weapons, spokesman for PM David Cameron says - @Reuters
More: Britain believes Syrian government very likely to have used chemical weapons, spokesman says - @Reuters
Turkish PM charges Syrian government has used chemical weapons; calls on US to take stronger action - @NBCNews
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Hezbollah really are stupid. Talk about poking the tiger.
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Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel.
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On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel.
You mean after Israel's unprovoked attack on Syria? More than likely Assad is smart enough to not strike back and just talk big. But lets not make a mistake. Israel is the one who committed the first attack and doesn't need to be provoked to kill people in Syria.
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On May 10 2013 06:50 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel. You mean after Israel's unprovoked attack on Syria? More than likely Assad is smart enough to not strike back and just talk big. But lets not make a mistake. Israel is the one who committed the first attack and doesn't need to be provoked to kill people in Syria. You have to go back further than the last few days to play "he started it" with the Israel situation. Let's not pretend the situation was stable until Israel did an unprovoked strike on Syria, Israeli interests were at stake.
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On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel.
Syria seems to want their support and also the Syrians have motive to attack israel. Maybe it will also be in the interest of the Syrians to attack israel in the future, dont forget that.
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On May 10 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:50 redviper wrote:On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel. You mean after Israel's unprovoked attack on Syria? More than likely Assad is smart enough to not strike back and just talk big. But lets not make a mistake. Israel is the one who committed the first attack and doesn't need to be provoked to kill people in Syria. You have to go back further than the last few days to play "he started it" with the Israel situation. Let's not pretend the situation was stable until Israel did an unprovoked strike on Syria, Israeli interests were at stake.
To be fair though, Israel should of waited until the weapons entered Lebanon before they bombed them (the weapons).
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On May 10 2013 08:56 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote:On May 10 2013 06:50 redviper wrote:On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel. You mean after Israel's unprovoked attack on Syria? More than likely Assad is smart enough to not strike back and just talk big. But lets not make a mistake. Israel is the one who committed the first attack and doesn't need to be provoked to kill people in Syria. You have to go back further than the last few days to play "he started it" with the Israel situation. Let's not pretend the situation was stable until Israel did an unprovoked strike on Syria, Israeli interests were at stake. To be fair though, Israel should of waited until the weapons entered Lebanon before they bombed them (the weapons).
they already bombed syria in january and nothing happened in response, better to bomb the weapons in the easiest place which was probably the syrian arms dump.
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#BreakingNews: Russian foreign minister says #Moscow does not plan to sell S-300 air defense system to #Syria #Russia
BreakingNews: #Russia is finalising delivery of missiles to #Syria, says #Lavrov
#BreakingNews: #Arms deliveries to #Syria must end, says German minister
#BreakingNews: Kerry says 'strong evidence' Syria regime used chemical weapons
Russia supplying missiles to Syria: Lavrov
RUSSIA is completing its delivery of surface-to-air missiles to Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says, a move the United States has called destabilising.
"Russia is not planning to sell - Russia has sold and signed contracts a long time ago, and is completing supplies of the equipment - which is anti-aircraft systems, according to the already signed contracts," Lavrov told reporters in Warsaw on Friday.
He added that "this is not forbidden by any international laws, this is defensive weaponry."
"It is designed for Syria as an importer to have in this situation an opportunity to defend itself from air strikes which, as we know, is not a completely fantastical scenario," he said.
Syria has vowed to "respond immediately" to any new Israeli attack against its territory after two reported Israeli strikes on military targets last week.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/russia-supplying-missiles-to-syria-lavrov/story-fn3dxix6-1226639781904
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Syrian President Assad's government are the 'usual suspects' behind car bombs in Turkey that killed 40 people, Turkish deputy PM says - @Reuters
More than 40 killed, 100 wounded in blasts near Turkey-Syria border, PM says. http://t.co/sLrpnyhpZT
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On May 12 2013 01:12 ImFromPortugal wrote:Syrian President Assad's government are the 'usual suspects' behind car bombs in Turkey that killed 40 people, Turkish deputy PM says - @Reuters More than 40 killed, 100 wounded in blasts near Turkey-Syria border, PM says. http://t.co/sLrpnyhpZT I don't really see the motive for Assad's forces to attack Turkey. They have it difficult enough with the enemies they have.
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On May 10 2013 08:56 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote:On May 10 2013 06:50 redviper wrote:On May 10 2013 06:29 KwarK wrote: Hezbollah would support anyone's effort to do anything to Israel but that doesn't mean that anyone wants their support or wants to do anything to Israel. Syria has no motive to provoke Israel. You mean after Israel's unprovoked attack on Syria? More than likely Assad is smart enough to not strike back and just talk big. But lets not make a mistake. Israel is the one who committed the first attack and doesn't need to be provoked to kill people in Syria. You have to go back further than the last few days to play "he started it" with the Israel situation. Let's not pretend the situation was stable until Israel did an unprovoked strike on Syria, Israeli interests were at stake. To be fair though, Israel should of waited until the weapons entered Lebanon before they bombed them (the weapons).
Why is that fair?
War isn't fair and it isn't supposed to be...
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On May 12 2013 01:12 ImFromPortugal wrote:Syrian President Assad's government are the 'usual suspects' behind car bombs in Turkey that killed 40 people, Turkish deputy PM says - @Reuters More than 40 killed, 100 wounded in blasts near Turkey-Syria border, PM says. http://t.co/sLrpnyhpZT
is that 'the usual suspects' a la cassablanca?
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There's so much crap happening in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and so forth that I can't keep up with all the information. Things are out of control.
Why is Kerry using the term 'strong evidence'? US-American foreign ministers shouldn't be allowed to use such terms for two decades.
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Kwark I disagree. Syria definitely has a motive to provoke Israel. An attack on Syria by Israel strengthens Assad's position by the Syrians unifying in defense against Israel.
Either Israel was 'forced' into attacking for their own self defense (with the go-ahead from USA), or Israel attacked Syria in order to strengthen Assad's position. Assad's regime in power is a much safer alternative to the rebels, consist of many belonging to terrorist groups.
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Israel bombed Syria to keep ground-to-ground rockets from reaching Hezbollah. Not in some kind of 3d chess game to prop up Assad. The rockets they blew up had the range and the accuracy to reach anywhere in Israel if fired from southern Lebanon. That is a capability Hezbollah does not currently have and that Israel considers a "game-changer." Wish they'd pick a better term even if game-changer is accurate.
Next Israel-Hezbollah War will start about ten minutes after Israel finds out Hezbollah has rockets like that. They don't want to fight another war with Hezbollah at the moment. So they'll do pretty much anything to keep Hezbollah from getting that kind of an upgrade in weaponry.
Israel also doesn't ask the USA for the go-ahead anymore as much a they used to, they just inform us. They don't like the current administration. They never asked us for the go-ahead 100% of the time anyway.
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Hezbollah already has ground-to-ground rockets from the Iranians.. At least that's what the Israelis say. They just don't want them to get more.
You're right about the "go-ahead" part. What I meant to imply is that USA can't get militarily involved at this point, so if they want to get something done, they have to do it through Israel.
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Actually if anyone would be using chemical weapons / beeing responsible for bombing on turkish soil near syrian border, it must have been rebels if you think about it.
Syrian government lost control on Iraqi and Syrian Border regions for many parts. Rebels are using civilians / kidnapped UNO soldiers as meatshilds, so that they cannot be attacked by Syrian Army. Straight up, the Rebels are in a desparate Situation, and can only hold by using dirty tricks. One of this tricks is fleeing over the turkish border when army arrives, and come back when the soldiers are gone. Another is kidnapping christian bishops. Another is kidnapping phillipine UN soldiers at Golan / Israel border.
Syrian Government has no interest in War with turkey, and for sure they wont start a war with israel, as the border region are the refugium for the rebels. And they are in a pretty okish spot, they have no need to use chemical weapons. It is way more likely that some analphabet rebel djihad idiot took part in plundering a army depot, and found some artillery rounds with sarin gas in it, and they wanted to try it out, and accidentaly some poor casualties arose, hopefully the djihadi is in paradise too because he opened the round with a screwdriver.
If there would have been a Sarin use of the Syrian army, there would have been 10.000 ts of dead people in citys (compare Iraq, Saddam vs curdish rebells, or Iraq /Iran war from 1981).
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