EPTOn the other hand Hezbollah has sent over a thousand fighters and advisers to help the Syrian government, these guys are some of Hezbollah's best soldiers. They could and would pull off something like this.
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On the other hand Hezbollah has sent over a thousand fighters and advisers to help the Syrian government, these guys are some of Hezbollah's best soldiers. They could and would pull off something like this. | ||
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Niue585 Posts
Aside all of that, Middle East is spiralling down pretty fast and is pulling entire world behind them | ||
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Holo82
Austria107 Posts
Dont forget that Turkey is member of the NATO, and i dont think anyone who is in government of a country in which a dirty civil war is going wants to force a Nato action. This would be very bad idea. From the last few weeks of turkish reactions (Turkey too got a pretty islamistic government at last votes,it is pretty much on the same political line than the rebels, which forced cancellation of any further steps in eu membership eveluation), additionially the first big act of the nowadays turkish president erdogan was to depower turkish military, which had an historically important role and influence in politics (to avoid clerfication, and stay on a secular line since the attaturk times)- Iget the feeling that turkish government wants to make Syria a NATO case very badly, with Erdogan taking the role of an Anti-Assad Warhawk, which seems not to be very welcomed by the rest of NATO members.. (if Syria would attack Turkey, all of Nato would be forced to help defending Turkey) The best thing would be peace negotations involving general pardon for all syrians, excluding and getting rid of the foreigner combatants. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On May 12 2013 05:33 Holo82 wrote: well turkish army is in a civil war with the pkk for like 20 years, even more. it doesnt control every area in turkey, especially the border area at turkey / syria / iraq is well known for pkk ambushing turkish army transports, killing 40 young recruits on a monthly basis. Dont forget that Turkey is member of the NATO, and i dont think anyone who is in government of a country in which a dirty civil war is going wants to force a Nato action. This would be very bad idea. From the last few weeks of turkish reactions (Turkey too got a pretty islamistic government at last votes,it is pretty much on the same political line than the rebels, which forced cancellation of any further steps in eu membership eveluation), additionially the first big act of the nowadays turkish president erdogan was to depower turkish military, which had an historically important role and influence in politics (to avoid clerfication, and stay on a secular line since the attaturk times)- Iget the feeling that turkish government wants to make Syria a NATO case very badly, with Erdogan taking the role of an Anti-Assad Warhawk, which seems not to be very welcomed by the rest of NATO members.. (if Syria would attack Turkey, all of Nato would be forced to help defending Turkey) The best thing would be peace negotations involving general pardon for all syrians, excluding and getting rid of the foreigner combatants. The PKK is unlikely as they are actually making progress with Turkey in the past months. As to Assad stepping down or peace, its gone for too long and too much blood has been spilled and it will end with defeat of one side. Also, Turkey doesnt have the ability to go in alone and the US is sort of backing down from their previous red line as not only did they think Assad would never cross it, but the situation became more complex. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Turkish deputy PM says initial findings suggest attackers of Syrian border town had links to 'Syrian regime and intelligence,' state TV reports - @Reuters | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On May 12 2013 09:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Besides the PKK just made peace and have started to move their forces out of Turkish lands. PKK can't run a two-front war right now, they gotta consolidate their hold on northern Iraq with things looking bad further south. US ambassador to Turkey 'strongly condemns' Reyhanli attack on Syrian border; US will stand with Turkey in identifying those responsible - @Reuters Turkish deputy PM says initial findings suggest attackers of Syrian border town had links to 'Syrian regime and intelligence,' state TV reports - @Reuters That's really dumb of Syria, Turkey's patience is running a little thin with the refugee and border situation. This won't help. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Foreign Minister: Turkey reserves the right to take 'every kind of measure' after car bombings - @Reuters Turkey sees Assad's hand in bombings, warns of border tensions (Reuters) - Turkey said on Sunday it believed fighters loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad were behind twin car bombings that killed 46 people in a Turkish border town. Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said those involved in the bombings in Reyhanli on Saturday were thought also to have carried out an attack on the Syrian coastal town of Banias a week ago, in which fighters backing Assad were reported to have killed at least 62 people. "The attack has nothing to do with the Syrian refugees in Turkey, it's got everything to do with the Syrian regime," Davutoglu said in an interview on TRT television. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/12/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE94A05S20130512 | ||
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Holo82
Austria107 Posts
Actually turkish people started to protest against Erdogan because of his support of the rebels, they dont want to be drawn into this war. What these bombings means (its not the first, it startet way earlier this year) is turkish people hate Erdogans islamistic course and support for syrian rebels, and they hate the fact that syrian rebels are tolerated /allowed to use turkish soil as their backyard base. The bombings were aimed at the rebels making themselves comfortably in turkish border regions. Turkey officials are trying hard to let this become a Nato case, they have been trying for month, with Nato being very sceptical about it (all they did was stationing some ground to air missile systems, and even at this strong differences and tensions occured with german Nato troops operating these defense systems, sexism from turkish officers against german female officers, turkish generals going mad about Nato roadblocks near rocket facilitys, and some other incidents. ). To believe in the shit erdogan says is stupid beyond belief, Erdogan is under pressure from his own people, and he is the same kind of fundementalist guy, with severe ties to muslimic brotherhood (the guys who are doing war in syria, and the guys who are in charge of egypt after the "democratic" revolutions. Whole European Union backed off from turkey since Erdogan got elected due to his course, turkey is getting severe tensions with Israel (delivering weapons aka humanitary goods to gaza, sea convoy getting bombed by israel last year). | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
The Arab league instead of just funding and that should make a military commitment to actually help stop this. Yes, there is the whole UN story about invasion but if USA cn invade Iraq and Afghan then why should the chemical weapons etc or humananitarian mission be enough to go on. Just random thoughts. | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
BTW, did anyone see the video where a rebel soldier cuts out the heart of a dead regime-soldier and then starts eating it? | ||
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cem61
Turkey18 Posts
On May 15 2013 05:35 ImperialFist wrote: To blame the bombings on Assad is retarded, it's more likely that Turkey would nuke their own capital than the Syrian regime would even attempt to bomb a minor border town, this is beyond retarded. BTW, did anyone see the video where a rebel soldier cuts out the heart of a dead regime-soldier and then starts eating it? you dont know the politcal situation in Turkey many turks there dont like the arabs. | ||
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forestry
95 Posts
"I swear to God we will eat your hearts and your livers, you soldiers of Bashar the dog," the man says, referring to President Bashar al-Assad as he stands over the soldier's corpse. Human Rights Watch (HRW) says Abu Sakkar is the leader of a group called the Independent Omar al-Farouq Brigade, an offshoot of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) Al-Farouq Brigades. He insults Alawites, the minority offshoot of Shia Islam to which Mr Assad belongs. Source | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On May 15 2013 05:40 cem61 wrote: you dont know the politcal situation in Turkey many turks there dont like the arabs. rofl, not only am I from Turkey, I am from the region where the bombing took place. | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
The alawite sect on the other hand will most likely face a genocide of sorts. Since they are essentially represented by the government and also their views conflict totally with the majority of muslims they will face a lot of heat. The christians can still get out because Islaam does have rules regarding with letting non-muslims live in muslims lands (that is if al-nusrah or other groups want to form a khilafat). The alawites are screwed all round and in a way I say they deserve it (personal view). Also the FSA soldier and the heart is a bit messed up. Never see the video but that is not allowed in Islaam. Either there is some context we are not privy to or I have no idea wth. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 15 2013 16:01 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I find it grimly amusing how the Christians in Syria, both Syrian Christians and 100,000s of Christian refugees from Iraq, are relatively ignored in this thread. If the rebels/Islamic terrorists win and gain power, all of the Christians are fucked. Sooner or later, Christians in the Mideast could become the Jews of WW2 Europe. The alawites can coexist peacefully with christians, they are a non extremist islam sect. The other guys on the other hand are already committing atrocities against the christians. There is no doubt there is gonna be a genocide if they take over. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
Wait so Alawites woman and children deserve to be massacred by Islamist invaders? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Invasion is imminent. | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On May 15 2013 19:27 Steveling wrote: Turkish military air force just fired 700 alewite pilots. Invasion is imminent. I really hope not, this could be transformed into an unprecedented mess for the past decades. I am absolutely confident NATO will not support any turkish offensive because they have absolutely no incentive, nothing to win in this. I can't really see Turkey going to war alone. If they step into Syrian territory, Russia will get pissed over the limit and that's very bad for everyone. | ||
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