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On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme.
oh ffs
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On October 04 2012 09:30 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme. oh ffs
I dunno, I always like to be skeptical and ask questions. What would Syria gain from attacking the strongest nation in the region, a nation that is connected to NATO which means all of NATO now has the right to butt fuck Syria? The hierarchy of Syria may be bat shit crazy, but crazy =/= stupid and no one would randomly drop a few motor shells on another nation and go "well, hopefully no one will notice!". It has no logical pathing, Syria is also in the middle of a Civil War, why would they try anything with Turkey? None of it makes sense.
If we line up pros/cons Syria has 0 pros and NATO/Turkey have all pros, unless you can correct me on what Syria could gain from this? Seems strange.
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On October 04 2012 09:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 09:30 hooahah wrote:On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme. oh ffs I dunno, I always like to be skeptical and ask questions. What would Syria gain from attacking the strongest nation in the region, a nation that is connected to NATO which means all of NATO now has the right to butt fuck Syria? The hierarchy of Syria may be bat shit crazy, but crazy =/= stupid and no one would randomly drop a few motor shells on another nation and go "well, hopefully no one will notice!". It has no logical pathing, Syria is also in the middle of a Civil War, why would they try anything with Turkey? None of it makes sense. If we line up pros/cons Syria has 0 pros and NATO/Turkey have all pros, unless you can correct me on what Syria could gain from this? Seems strange.
the question is.. will be this the incident that starts it all?
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On October 04 2012 09:43 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 09:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On October 04 2012 09:30 hooahah wrote:On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme. oh ffs I dunno, I always like to be skeptical and ask questions. What would Syria gain from attacking the strongest nation in the region, a nation that is connected to NATO which means all of NATO now has the right to butt fuck Syria? The hierarchy of Syria may be bat shit crazy, but crazy =/= stupid and no one would randomly drop a few motor shells on another nation and go "well, hopefully no one will notice!". It has no logical pathing, Syria is also in the middle of a Civil War, why would they try anything with Turkey? None of it makes sense. If we line up pros/cons Syria has 0 pros and NATO/Turkey have all pros, unless you can correct me on what Syria could gain from this? Seems strange. the question is.. will be this the incident that starts it all?
I really hope not  I think it will calm down. I doubt any of the real powers (China, Russia) will start to crack down because of what will occur next.
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On October 04 2012 09:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 09:30 hooahah wrote:On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme. oh ffs I dunno, I always like to be skeptical and ask questions. What would Syria gain from attacking the strongest nation in the region, a nation that is connected to NATO which means all of NATO now has the right to butt fuck Syria? The hierarchy of Syria may be bat shit crazy, but crazy =/= stupid and no one would randomly drop a few motor shells on another nation and go "well, hopefully no one will notice!". It has no logical pathing, Syria is also in the middle of a Civil War, why would they try anything with Turkey? None of it makes sense. If we line up pros/cons Syria has 0 pros and NATO/Turkey have all pros, unless you can correct me on what Syria could gain from this? Seems strange.
well civil war is not going in favor of rebels, so it is not that weird if this was their doing. not a week ago, a "opposition informer" informed turkey with secret writen documents, syria captured the pilots of the jet plane alive, but with orders from russia, killed them and planted the corpses down on seabed.
Opposition forces do need outside (prefebreably european) intervention, cause they are losing the civil war atm. a false flag attack agains a rather volatile country with a govement more impulsive than a 16 year old and a nato member is rather a good way to trigger that.
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On October 04 2012 10:31 Cuce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 09:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On October 04 2012 09:30 hooahah wrote:On October 04 2012 07:44 Blanke wrote:On October 04 2012 04:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a Syrian mortar strike, which has killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.
Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, have condemned the attack that struck a house in the southeastern border town of Akcakale.
Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.
Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.
Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkish foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.
Martin Nesirky, spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the United Nations, issued a statement in response to the attack saying: "the secretary-general expressed his condolences at the tragic loss of life and encouraged the Minister to keep open all channels of communication with the Syrian authorities with a view to lessening any tension that could build up as a result of the incident". Source It would not surprise me the slightest bit if NATO promoted this attack as a justification for western "intervention" of Syria. They've been fishing around in search of a solid excuse/false flag attempt for months now, while the funded & western-supplied rebels spearhead this operation in the meantme. oh ffs I dunno, I always like to be skeptical and ask questions. What would Syria gain from attacking the strongest nation in the region, a nation that is connected to NATO which means all of NATO now has the right to butt fuck Syria? The hierarchy of Syria may be bat shit crazy, but crazy =/= stupid and no one would randomly drop a few motor shells on another nation and go "well, hopefully no one will notice!". It has no logical pathing, Syria is also in the middle of a Civil War, why would they try anything with Turkey? None of it makes sense. If we line up pros/cons Syria has 0 pros and NATO/Turkey have all pros, unless you can correct me on what Syria could gain from this? Seems strange. well civil war is not going in favor of rebels, so it is not that weird if this was their doing. not a week ago, a "opposition informer" informed turkey with secret writen documents, syria captured the pilots of the jet plane alive, but with orders from russia, killed them and planted the corpses down on seabed. Opposition forces do need outside (prefebreably european) intervention, cause they are losing the civil war atm. a false flag attack agains a rather volatile country with a govement more impulsive than a 16 year old and a nato member is rather a good way to trigger that.
Very good way indeed.
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Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up.
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On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up.
What kind of a lazy ass cant repair his own bike. That aside.
Its probably true that the conspiracy nonsense here is well nonsense, but frankly with all thats gone on in the past few decades its easy to see why people would turn their attention to that sort of hypothesis.
you know boy, wolf all that jazz.
and yes actually for the most part that IS how the world works in tumultuous and unstable regions. You know like those groups of criminals, someone stands to gain just not the usual suspects.
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On October 04 2012 15:09 Rebs wrote:
What kind of a lazy ass cant repair his own bike. That aside.
I never learned how to fix a bike. Must mean the bike repairman, who stands to gain the most, controls the schools and my parents, why else would they never teach me how to fix a bike??
Its probably true that the conspiracy nonsense here is well nonsense, but frankly with all thats gone on in the past few decades its easy to see why people would turn their attention to that sort of hypothesis.
you know boy, wolf all that jazz.
I don't think the tinfoils have a right to complain about crying wolf. Olympics 2012 (no attack)? Kony 2012 (where is the Uganda invasion)?
Hell, Russia Today has posted dozens of "attack on Iran soon" newsreports in the last year alone.
and yes actually for the most part that IS how the world works in tumultuous and unstable regions. You know like those groups of criminals, someone stands to gain just not the usual suspects.
No, people are not that rational, not in the slightest.
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People often give far too much credit to governments and organizations as a whole.
Assuming a minor border skirmish and a few mortar shells between Turkey and Syria is part of a diabolical plan to instigate Western intervention in Syria (because Syria has oil and gas and all the good stuff the "west" goes around invading places for, right? This IS the 18th century again, right?) is giving far, far, far too much credit to a fractured and bleeding society that has been disorganized and rattled to the core.
It's like when a couple American soldiers kill/rape/abuse civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Japan, germany, wherever. Obama and the DoD didn't go "HEY GO RAPE THEM". Armies are made of people and people make mistakes and do stupid shit based on misinformation and partial truths, ESPECIALLY in a war time scenario.
Saying "this might be the incident that starts it all" is ridiculous, because the most extreme far fetched lunatic viewpoint would, at BEST, have a NATO intervention per legally binding agreements to defend Turkey from Syrian "aggression", except that would never happen because everyone and their mother knows it isn't "Syria" attacking Turkey. When armored battalions from Damascus roll in the streets of Ankara, you have cause for concern.
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On October 04 2012 16:45 Elegy wrote:
that would never happen because everyone and their mother knows it isn't "Syria" attacking Turkey.
just like everyone and their mother knew there aren't any weapons of mass destruction in iraq. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's a good enough justification IF usa wants to get involved.
nothing will come out of this because of the elections in usa. Turkey wants a NATO interjection because it's the only way for us to clear north iraq & syria territory once and for all and Tayyip had enough with PKK. Whoever get pissed at PKK supports them to fullest ( iraq, iran, syria keep doing it for 30 years ) which weakens governments hand inside.
We can/would never do it without full support of USA and obviously NATO though.
it wasn't big in turkey, no one took it serious and thought it's just a provocation.
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Turkish parliament approves military operations outside its borders if government deems them necessary, parliamentarians say - @Reuters
Turkey says Syria admits shelling Turkish village, apologizes for civilian deaths - @AP
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On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up.
Yeah, Poland DID attack those poor German soldiers and start WWII, how could we have all been so blind. Oh the anguish!
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison
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On October 04 2012 22:57 ahappystar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up. Yeah, Poland DID attack those poor German soldiers and start WWII, how could we have all been so blind. Oh the anguish! "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison
What about those of us that live in 2012, not 1939?
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On October 05 2012 00:51 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2012 22:57 ahappystar wrote:On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up. Yeah, Poland DID attack those poor German soldiers and start WWII, how could we have all been so blind. Oh the anguish! "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison What about those of us that live in 2012, not 1939?
Why should we learn from the past? Unbelievable... threads in the General section make me sigh
How about the Turkish government being caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group? But oh, I guess that's sooooooo 2006. Kids these days don't learn about history from before Lady Gaga, like totally
http://www.whale.to/c/court_says.html
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It's happening.
Why didn't you stop it.
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On October 05 2012 01:13 ahappystar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 00:51 zalz wrote:On October 04 2012 22:57 ahappystar wrote:On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up. Yeah, Poland DID attack those poor German soldiers and start WWII, how could we have all been so blind. Oh the anguish! "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison What about those of us that live in 2012, not 1939? Why should we learn from the past? Unbelievable... threads in the General section make me sigh How about the Turkish government being caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group? But oh, I guess that's sooooooo 2006. Kids these days don't learn about history from before Lady Gaga, like totally http://www.whale.to/c/court_says.html
You confuse learning from the past with presuming history is cyclical.
False flags have taken place in the past, but that doesn't prove anything about the present. In the real world you need things like evidence.
What you did is convict several states of false flag attacks (you don't know who yet, you just know someone did it, typical tinfoil), because 1939 Nazi-Germany committed a false flag.
You literally have no evidence, all you say is that because Nazi-Germany did it, modern day Turkey must have done a false flag.
You whine about the level of discourse in general, but you make use of arguments that wouldn't have stood up in elementary school.
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Turkey might want to intervene to stop the Kurds from carving out their own state in the North East.
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On October 05 2012 02:20 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 01:13 ahappystar wrote:On October 05 2012 00:51 zalz wrote:On October 04 2012 22:57 ahappystar wrote:On October 04 2012 14:58 zalz wrote:
Yes, and last week my bike broke. Who stood to gain? The bike repairman that earned money when I paid him to repair the bike.
OMG! THE BIKE REPAIRMAN HAS DESTROYED MY BIKE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
You rationalize like a bunch of tinfoil crazies. You know why the Syrian army attacked Turkey? The same reason they did all those massacres.
You look at the Syrian army like its the army of a western nation, it isn't. It isn't controlled top down, it has large elements that have gone essentially rogue, with a carte blanche of the Syrian government. Some fragements are barely more than groups of criminals that go around looting and murdering, tolerated because they fight the protesters.
Can't there just be one topic where the conspiracy morons don't polute everything? Stop with the idiotic "who stands to gain" bullshit, that isn't how the world works.
As for the war, it hasn't been going in anyone's favor. There is literally no change that would even suggest that the rebels were so desperate that they would resort to attacking the Turkish army in some idiotic ploy that only an internet tinfoil could conjure up. Yeah, Poland DID attack those poor German soldiers and start WWII, how could we have all been so blind. Oh the anguish! "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - U.S. President James Madison What about those of us that live in 2012, not 1939? Why should we learn from the past? Unbelievable... threads in the General section make me sigh How about the Turkish government being caught bombing its own and blaming it on a rebel group to justify a crackdown on that group? But oh, I guess that's sooooooo 2006. Kids these days don't learn about history from before Lady Gaga, like totally http://www.whale.to/c/court_says.html You confuse learning from the past with presuming history is cyclical. False flags have taken place in the past, but that doesn't prove anything about the present. In the real world you need things like evidence. What you did is convict several states of false flag attacks (you don't know who yet, you just know someone did it, typical tinfoil), because 1939 Nazi-Germany committed a false flag. You literally have no evidence, all you say is that because Nazi-Germany did it, modern day Turkey must have done a false flag. You whine about the level of discourse in general, but you make use of arguments that wouldn't have stood up in elementary school.
I have been reading your posts in this thread and I think I speak for everyone when I tell you to shut up. It would actually not be very "tinfoiley" to suggest Turkey might be behind this. I really hate people who scream of conspiracy theories, saying how we are all to blind too see it etc etc. But what I hate even more is people who abstantly deny everything. Example. its not like USA would fund insurgents after afghanistan right?..oh wait... :| History is a very important tool, do not look down on it!
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