Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
Kudos to Obama for okaying this operation. This is exactly the type of action that I was hoping would be authorized. No need for a massive US footprint again. Special ops guys and massive air support is all that should be needed. And I'm sure that the spec ops guys are excited to go after ISIS.
On August 25 2014 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
I am all for killing the terrorist but how about a dose of reality. "defeated" al qaeda? why do they think all of Sunni Iraq fell into ISIS hand without nary a bullet being fired?
On August 25 2014 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
I am all for killing the terrorist but how about a dose of reality. "defeated" al qaeda? why do they think all of Sunni Iraq fell into ISIS hand without nary a bullet being fired?
It's propaganda mate. Don't sweat it too much. You wonder why all of Sunni Iraq fell to ISIS without nary a bullet being fired? You see, the biggest problem is that the Mideast's Iraq's most competent political and military figures of all sorts of religions/cultures from Iraq all got deposed, executed, or forced into hiding by Uncle Sam, who replaced them with an infamous radical Islamic Shiite group that dealt with political dissent and former political elements with keen brutality and was prominent in stoking sectarianism responsible for much of the violence in Iraq since the US invasion. Said regime specifically focused on persecuting Sunnis, in particular, making matters worse. Some of said disenfranchised and persecuted officials who are still alive, for very obvious and fair reasons, joined in this IS uprising against what was at least until IS's June offensive the most sectarian, brutal, and divisive faction in Iraq since the start of the Iraq War, that being the Iraqi government, in particular Maliki.
Due to the leadership abilities of the old Baath party members, this is why IS has made so many gains in Iraq. Bring them back into the fold, and the IS in Iraq will collapse as fast as it came to be. They lose Iraq's smartest politicians, while Iraq gains them. I've read this has something that has even been suggested, as well. Whether this political persecution will end is up to the Iraqi regime in power, but they're obviously shooting themselves in the foot. Either that, or we can hope the former Baathists quit their marriage of convenience of their own accord, which apparently they're starting to and honestly I hope this happens. In fact, apparently they're even fighting each other. The loss of former Baathists would destroy IS more than any amount of military force would. They're literally what give the IS "legitimacy" in Iraq. But to ensure that this happens, there will need to be a process of reconciling, especially when you consider that the only wrong committed by the nearly all of the hundreds of thousands of ex-Baath politicians and officers and other party members was being affiliated with the overthrown regime. However, I don't think anyone doubts that the entire deposition of the entirety of the former Iraqi military and its leaders and government was an unspeakable error.
Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
Best news I've heard since Maliki was booted. I think Obama realizes that even from an aloof, self-interested American perspective, it is very much within America's security, economic, and political interests to vanquish the IS and I wholeheartedly agree. I know for a fact the US special forces are real fighters. The intel will have to be immaculate though if they're to know exactly where to strike IS commanders.
Elite British and US special forces troops are forming a hunter killer unit called Task Force Black – its orders: “Smash the Islamic State.”
The undercover warriors will aim to “cut the head off the snake” by hitting the command structure of the Islamist terror group responsible for a trail of atrocities across Iraq and Syria, reports the Sunday People.
PM David Cameron has told the SAS and UK spy agencies to direct all their resources at defeating IS after a video of US journalist James Foley being beheaded shocked the world.
British special forces will work with America’s Delta Force and Seal Team 6. The move sees a rebirth of top secret Task Force Black, which helped defeat al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq .
This time the counter-terrorist experts will be targeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of IS and now the world’s most wanted terrorist.
A source said: “We need to go into Syria and Iraq and kill as many IS members as we can. You can’t negotiate with these people.
Top secret means that its happening but we're not going to tell you where they are or what exactly they're doing. Part of the effect of getting the band back together is everyone knowing that the band is getting back together.
These are the guys that hunted abu musab al zaqawi, who was the guy leading al quida in iraq. they basicaly went after the terrorists and killed so many of them that it became okay to be against them and your head wouldn't be cut off the next day.
But still wouldn't it be better if they hadn't announced this? It seems like the terrorists will be more prepared now that they know there's a top secret task force sent against them. I'm guessing the logic is that it doesn't matter if they're aware, the task force will win no matter what...still it seems kind of weird. I'm sure they'd have an easier time if no one knew they were coming.
On August 26 2014 01:43 radscorpion9 wrote: But still wouldn't it be better if they hadn't announced this? It seems like the terrorists will be more prepared now that they know there's a top secret task force sent against them. I'm guessing the logic is that it doesn't matter if they're aware, the task force will win no matter what...still it seems kind of weird. I'm sure they'd have an easier time if no one knew they were coming.
I'm pretty sure most of the targets are already aware they are being hunted by one faction or another considering their at war with multiple countries at this point. Its more of a public statement to the rest of the world that they are actually doing something about this other then missile strikes.
Excessive safety in a war is not a good thing. If they start spending too much resources on protecting their leaders the initiative will be a success even if there is nothing going behind it. And there will be always field generals to go after.
[Unconfirmed] "Iraqi Turkmen Militia claim they captured 3 MİT (Turkish Intel) members among ISIS fighters in Tuz [Khurmatu]".
I'll be on the lookout for more details on this but please confirm it if you get a chance. This would be literally one of the most important developments in the conflict if it turns out to be true.
Wouldn't be a surprise though, look at the Latakia offense that appeared out of nowhere in March, seriously they appeared out of nowhere heavy equipment and all. Sometimes in a matter of hours. The Guardian reported that a Dutch Jihadist told them he landed in Turkey was taken to the border allowed to choose his "group" was loaded with 3 vans of equipment, searched then went across.
Then there was the case of reports of Turkish ambulances carrying Al-Nusra members away from the battle of Kessab.
On August 26 2014 04:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Wouldn't be a surprise though, look at the Latakia offense that appeared out of nowhere in March, seriously they appeared out of nowhere heavy equipment and all. Sometimes in a matter of hours. The Guardian reported that a Dutch Jihadist told them he landed in Turkey was taken to the border allowed to choose his "group" was loaded with 3 vans of equipment, searched then went across.
Then there was the case of reports of Turkish ambulances carrying Al-Nusra members away from the battle of Kessab.
Why is the US turning a blind eye to this? They're backing the enemies of ourselves and practically everyone else. Why doesn't the US take action against this? This will gravely worsen the already poor relations between Turkey and ... everyone (particularly those states to the south against whom IS is fighting), and is a betrayal of US-Turkish relations and NATO.
We know the one identified captured MIT agent, Kazim Simsek, is obviously Turkish, by name and affiliation.
Also, apparently Turkey is releasing ISIS apprehended by civilians.
Several Middle Eastern media broke the news that unrest has sparked in Turkey with demonstrations erupting denouncing Erdogan after Turkish citizens captured ISIS operatives in Turkey in which Turkish security forces released the terrorists and attacked the civilians who turned them in:
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Found a couple interesting articles on the matter from June:
The battle in Iraq consists of "Turkish-backed Sunni jihadis rebelling against an Iranian-backed Shi'ite-oriented central government," I wrote in a recent article.
Some readers question that the Republic of Turkey has supported the "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria," the main Sunni group fighting in Iraq. They point to ISIS attacks on Turkish interests, within Turkey, along its border with Syria, and in Mosul and a successful recent meeting of the Turkish and Iranian presidents. Good points, but they can be explained.
First, ISIS is willing to accept Turkish support even while seeing the Islamist prime minister and his countrymen as kafirs (infidels) who need to be shown true Islam.
Second, the presidential visit took place on one level while the fighting in Syria and Iraq took place on quite another; the two can occur simultaneously. Turkish-Iranian rivalry is on the rise and, as the distinguished Turkish journalist Burak Bekdil notes in the current issue of the Middle East Quarterly:
Recent years have often seen official language from the two countries about prospering bilateral trade and common anti-Israeli ideological solidarity. But mostly out of sight have been indications of rivalry, distrust, and mutual sectarian suspicion between the two Muslim countries.
Ankara may deny helping ISIS, but the evidence for this is overwhelming. "As we have the longest border with Syria," writes Orhan Kemal Cengiz, a Turkish newspaper columnist, "Turkey's support was vital for the jihadists in getting in and out of the country." Indeed, the ISIS strongholds not coincidentally cluster close to Turkey's frontiers.
...[Lots more in the link, including hyperlinked text to other articles]
Overall, I don't know what to think. The US needs to send a very clear message to the Turkish government that this sort of behavior cannot be allowed. They are backing a very dire enemy of the US and a host of other nations, and a group hellbent on conquest and slaughter at that.
perhaps a nation needs to rise with a modern view on islam that the west can fully support and have a bloody reformation, if a bloodless reformation is impossible. after ISIS goes down, another will rise and use islam to cling them all together. if a new modernist view can become the majority (anti conquest/conflict, pluralism (even with non-monotheists), equality, etc. etc.), maybe a slow transition can happen. there's still fundamentalists in christianity but they're well past blooding themselves for it (in usa).
with a slow cultural melting pot amongst all the middle east nations, soon or later, it'll get more bloody.
On August 26 2014 10:57 jinorazi wrote: perhaps a nation needs to rise with a modern view on islam that the west can fully support and have a bloody reformation, if a bloodless reformation is impossible. after ISIS goes down, another will rise and use islam to cling them all together. if a new modernist view can become the majority (anti conquest/conflict, pluralism (even with non-monotheists), equality, etc. etc.), maybe a slow transition can happen. there's still fundamentalists in christianity but they're well past blooding themselves for it (in usa).
with a slow cultural melting pot amongst all the middle east nations, soon or later, it'll get more bloody.
It will be a very long time to have a modern and rational (according to western powers) Islamic state. Beliefs and values are passed down generation to generation, and I don't see some of these values changing for the radical portion of the population for years to come.
Anyway, I've worked with people from Iran and Iraq, have friends and classmates, and many of them are great people. It usually is a minority giving them a bad name, and here in the Canada, the ones who immigrated from there, they bitch about it a lot, hah.
On August 26 2014 10:57 jinorazi wrote: perhaps a nation needs to rise with a modern view on islam that the west can fully support and have a bloody reformation, if a bloodless reformation is impossible. after ISIS goes down, another will rise and use islam to cling them all together. if a new modernist view can become the majority (anti conquest/conflict, pluralism (even with non-monotheists), equality, etc. etc.), maybe a slow transition can happen. there's still fundamentalists in christianity but they're well past blooding themselves for it (in usa).
with a slow cultural melting pot amongst all the middle east nations, soon or later, it'll get more bloody.
It will be a very long time to have a modern and rational (according to western powers) Islamic state. Beliefs and values are passed down generation to generation, and I don't see some of these values changing for the radical portion of the population for years to come.
Anyway, I've worked with people from Iran and Iraq, have friends and classmates, and many of them are great people. It usually is a minority giving them a bad name, and here in the Canada, the ones who immigrated from there, they bitch about it a lot, hah.
If you look at the sunni salafist sects particular sharia vision (the radical sharia interpretation IS is pushing), you will find that rationality and particularly pragmatism is severely lacking in their way of reading the holy texts. It is worse than hanbali sunni like you see it in Saudi Arabia or the hanafi sunni teachings that inspires Turkey. IS is a particularly bad islamic state, since its sharia-interpretation is so extreme and unless their sharia drifts towards more moderate readings of islamic holy texts or they abandon sharia entirely, it is not going to improve over time.
Btw. Twelver shia islam like practiced in Iranian government structure is a different creature entirely. While Shia is a bit more moderate in a lot of areas than sunni, the lack of popularity in the way of determining what is right in their sharia and the complete faith in the imams is causing at least Iran to be religiously opposed to true democracy (ie. without an ayatollah hawkishly picking and choosing who is eligible for election etc.).
I don't see a particularly bright future for the people living in IS-land if the current situation gets frozen and I don't see it getting frozen for now. IS as a state (disregarding their military) is too fragile and if the sunni chiefs in northern Iraq pulls their support, IS will be in severe danger of having their status as an umbrella organisation for extreme militias collapse shortly afterwards.
Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.
Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.
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