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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 26 2014 18:49 GMT
#4301
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Show nested quote +
Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

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Source

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Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

UK is a little higher than I'd have thought. I'm not surprised by France though. That country has real problems with its Muslim minority.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 20:09:21
August 26 2014 20:07 GMT
#4302
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Show nested quote +
Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

[image loading]


Source

Show nested quote +
Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

What the fuck ? I blame ignorance. I believe muslim people just heard "Islamic state" and said yes of course I like it. By the way xDaunt : most european fighters in Syria and Iraq come from UK. UK is, right now, the european heart of radical islamism.
We don't have any problem with muslim in France by the way, we have "problem" with immigration from our ex colonies.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 26 2014 21:56 GMT
#4303
isnt the western hypocracy in europe part of the problem when it comes to spawning new radicals? like "freedom, equal rights, blah blah, but muslims get the fuck out".

from what i understand, there are political parties in european nations that are dedicated to driving out muslims, preventing muslim immigration.

USA has mexicans to split the nation for "us and them", europe seems to use muslims for "us and them"
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
August 26 2014 22:30 GMT
#4304
On August 27 2014 06:56 jinorazi wrote:
isnt the western hypocracy in europe part of the problem when it comes to spawning new radicals? like "freedom, equal rights, blah blah, but muslims get the fuck out".

from what i understand, there are political parties in european nations that are dedicated to driving out muslims, preventing muslim immigration.

USA has mexicans to split the nation for "us and them", europe seems to use muslims for "us and them"


This is one of the worst examples ever. Find me a list of mexican who blew themselves up against American civilians. You know what is the problem? Thinking like you do 'we should be more permissive', because if you didn't understand it yet, these people (ISIS) won't stop no matter how permissive you are. We are arrived at a point where even the smallest critic against muslim people is labelled with racism, bigotry and blindness to multiculturalism and this doesn't make sense at all. I have the right to criticize it!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

We should be even more permissive, right? What about we just say 'Hey guys, come here, the weather is good, we'll just make room for you. Of course you can implement Sharia, I believe in your good intentions'.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 26 2014 23:09 GMT
#4305
Whoa is that an example of strawman?
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
August 26 2014 23:20 GMT
#4306
On August 27 2014 05:07 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

[image loading]


Source

Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

What the fuck ? I blame ignorance. I believe muslim people just heard "Islamic state" and said yes of course I like it. By the way xDaunt : most european fighters in Syria and Iraq come from UK. UK is, right now, the european heart of radical islamism.
We don't have any problem with muslim in France by the way, we have "problem" with immigration from our ex colonies.

Ignorance is probably a safe. I guess a majority of those who answered in favor of ISIS had no idea what the hell ISIS is, apart from the fact that they are against the western world, which is probably the reason why they answered the way they did.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11735 Posts
August 26 2014 23:24 GMT
#4307
Basically, the problem is that some muslims actually take their religion seriously. In europe, we have a rather areligious society nowadays. Sure, some people might be "christian", but mostly that means that they sometimes go to church on sundays and that's about it. So most people are pretty fine with any sort of religion, as long as it is not actually taken seriously, because religion taken seriously has this tendency to lead to all sorts of nasty irrational behaviour.

Personally, i think that any sort of religion is an utterly antiquated concept, and thus i also agree with the previously mentioned sentiment. I don't really have a problem with religios people, as long as they keep their religion to themselves. But most people who take their religion seriously also think that everyone else should act according to it, because it is THE WORD OF GOD!!!.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 26 2014 23:50 GMT
#4308
On August 27 2014 08:20 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 05:07 WhiteDog wrote:
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

[image loading]


Source

Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

What the fuck ? I blame ignorance. I believe muslim people just heard "Islamic state" and said yes of course I like it. By the way xDaunt : most european fighters in Syria and Iraq come from UK. UK is, right now, the european heart of radical islamism.
We don't have any problem with muslim in France by the way, we have "problem" with immigration from our ex colonies.

Ignorance is probably a safe. I guess a majority of those who answered in favor of ISIS had no idea what the hell ISIS is, apart from the fact that they are against the western world, which is probably the reason why they answered the way they did.

It's not just ignorance. There is a surprisingly large portion of Muslims who know how these organizations operate, but they also support their goals and they believe that the ends justify the means. As shocking as it may seem that someone may support ISIS knowing full well what they do, I have seen such people myself.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-27 00:16:11
August 27 2014 00:10 GMT
#4309
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Show nested quote +
Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

[image loading]


Source

Show nested quote +
Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

Polls are a small sample size processed with some statistical analysis, but regardless, these results are very frightening. I don't know how anyone at all could support 100% unjustified conquest and murder carried out in an excessive and brutal manner.

One thing that made big news today is an American citizen who died fighting for IS. At the time that he left for Syria, he was living in my hometown, which is about as grave as an insult to that great city as anything can get.

"The battle in itself seemed tragically normal. Two Syrian opposition groups fought and there were heavy casualties on both sides. Then victorious rebels rifled through the pockets of the dead. One contained about $800 in cash -- and an American passport.

Douglas McAuthur McCain, of San Diego, California, was killed over the weekend fighting for the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), according to the Free Syrian Army. Photos of McCain's passport and of his body -- which feature a distinctive neck tattoo -- have been seen by NBC News. According to an activist linked to the Free Syrian Army who also saw the body and travel document, McCain was among three foreign jihadis fighting with ISIS who died during the battle.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-douglas-mcauthur-mccain-dies-fighting-isis-syria-n189081
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 27 2014 19:37 GMT
#4310




Syrian rebels, including the Nusra Front, seized control of the Syrian crossing with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Wednesday, a pro-opposition monitoring group said.

"Al-Nusra Front and other rebel groups took the Quneitra crossing, and heavy fighting with the Syrian army is continuing in the surrounding area," said Rami Abdel Rahman, head of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

He said at least 20 soldiers and four rebels were killed in the fighting for the crossing that began earlier on Wednesday.

The heavy fire strayed across the border into the Israeli-occupied portion of the Golan, where the Israeli army said one of its officers was moderately wounded.

Six mortar shells crashed into the occupied portion of the Golan within hours, the army said, adding that it returned fire.


Source

As the Islamic State continues to inflict humiliating defeats on Bashar Assad’s forces in east Syria, pro-regime activist's expressed rage on social media, demanding the ouster of the Defence Minister.

"Tafah al- Kail" (overstretched) is a hashtag circulated by Assad’s cyber activists, expressing their fear and concern.

Activists dubbed the regime’s Defence Minister, Fahd Jassem al-Freij, as the "death minister", saying everyone involved in the dramatic losses should be held to account.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 320 Syrian troops were killed in the fall of the Tabqa airbase, the last foothold in Raqqa province on Sunday.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 28 2014 01:09 GMT
#4311
On August 27 2014 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 03:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not sure what to think of this:

Two polls released this week both ask a question that you would hope wouldn't need asking: how many people support the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)? Unfortunately, in all four countries surveyed, the answer is greater than zero, and by a lot.

Here is a chart of the results of the polls. The first, by ICM Research, asked people in Germany, France, and the UK whether they had a favorable or unfavorable view of ISIS. The second, by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, asked Gazans whether they support or oppose ISIS. Here are the results.

[image loading]


Source

Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq say they are regaining ground against the forces of Islamic State in the area.

The Peshmerga fighters claim to have taken back three villages from the Islamic extremist militants, with the help of Iraqi warplanes.


Source

UK is a little higher than I'd have thought. I'm not surprised by France though. That country has real problems with its Muslim minority.

Turns out the poll that showed such high French support for ISIS was commissioned by Russian propaganda outlet Russia Today and that such high support levels would require some major tinkering.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/08/27/do-1-in-6-french-citizens-really-support-islamic-state/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 28 2014 05:16 GMT
#4312


250 SAA soldiers being paraded around in their underwear after being captured by Islamic State forces near Tabqa. Unverified reports are coming in that they were later executed.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 28 2014 05:24 GMT
#4313
On August 28 2014 14:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiVXr0KKDk

Show nested quote +
250 SAA soldiers being paraded around in their underwear after being captured by Islamic State forces near Tabqa. Unverified reports are coming in that they were later executed.



why do these idiots keep surrendering to ISIS. Its a fight to the death.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
August 28 2014 05:55 GMT
#4314
On August 28 2014 14:24 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 14:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiVXr0KKDk

250 SAA soldiers being paraded around in their underwear after being captured by Islamic State forces near Tabqa. Unverified reports are coming in that they were later executed.



why do these idiots keep surrendering to ISIS. Its a fight to the death.


Because people care for their lives, and any extra hour you get to live is worth it to many.

Anyway, the fact that they keep filming all of this is definitely not helping them.
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
August 28 2014 08:14 GMT
#4315
On August 28 2014 14:55 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 14:24 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 28 2014 14:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiVXr0KKDk

250 SAA soldiers being paraded around in their underwear after being captured by Islamic State forces near Tabqa. Unverified reports are coming in that they were later executed.



why do these idiots keep surrendering to ISIS. Its a fight to the death.


Because people care for their lives, and any extra hour you get to live is worth it to many.

Anyway, the fact that they keep filming all of this is definitely not helping them.


Germans on the Eastern Front never surrendered to the Reds because it meant certain death (many fled West and surrendered to the US/UK forces). The fact that Syrians are surrendering I think is more to do with their poor training and perhaps misguided hope.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-28 08:49:49
August 28 2014 08:49 GMT
#4316
Germans never surrendered? The Soviets had millions of German POWs by the end of the war. Not that the two scenarios are really comparable anyway.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
August 28 2014 09:03 GMT
#4317
DannyJ is right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union People surrendering always hope for the best. Or sometimes they are just unable to fight because of psychological or physical exhaustion.
Pathetic Greta hater.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 28 2014 18:36 GMT
#4318
Gunmen opened fire on a Lebanese army position at the border with Syria on Thursday near a town seized by Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) insurgents earlier this month, triggering an exchange of fire, a security source said.

The fighting, which erupted before dawn, was still raging in late afternoon, with troops shelling the gunmen who had taken up position on the outskirts of the town, an AFP correspondent reported.

The Lebanese army had shelled militant positions in the border zone with Syria on Wednesday, a security source said.

It was the first such engagement since the fighters, including members of ISIS, withdrew from the town of Ersal three weeks ago following five days of deadly battles with the army.

The army had opened fire with artillery after observing suspicious movement by the militants, the source said.

There was no immediate word on casualties but the correspondent saw a wounded soldier being evacuated in a military vehicle as plumes of black smoke billowed into the sky over the town.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DrCooper
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany261 Posts
August 28 2014 19:24 GMT
#4319
43 UN peacekeepers are captured by IS and 81 more are trapped.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-syria-crisis-peacekeepers-un-idUSKBN0GS1SY20140828

I really believe that somebody will have to put boots on the ground to stop IS. Airstrikes won't cut it.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
August 28 2014 19:32 GMT
#4320
On August 29 2014 04:24 DrCooper wrote:
43 UN peacekeepers are captured by IS and 81 more are trapped.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/28/us-syria-crisis-peacekeepers-un-idUSKBN0GS1SY20140828

I really believe that somebody will have to put boots on the ground to stop IS. Airstrikes won't cut it.

Well, we'll see. Fucking with UN peacekeeping forces seems like a recipe for IS to invite an international escalation to come and stomp their faces. Well, either that, or the security council disbands, because if even IS doesn't have to take them seriously, nobody will again ever... and there is no use for an utterly impotent international peace force at all (and I doubt anymore nations will offer forces if they don't get backup when in danger).
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