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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
August 30 2014 10:18 GMT
#4341
On August 29 2014 22:28 SkelA wrote:
Its common knowledge that USA,Saudi Arabia, Turkey supported the opposition/terrorists/rebels in the early stages of the conflict in Syria but now they created a monster so huge they cant control.

Turkey and USA probably want to clear their involvement from ISIS but its clear that Saudi Arabia and Qatar(?) are the main supporters/funders of that organization.

When will the west learn to stop medling in middle eastern affairs? They are clearly not ready for democracy and I would rather have a dictator in power than madmen like ISIS. Both are bad but you gotta pick the lesser evil. In every country where USA interveneed the sitation became worse than before. Egypt,Lybia,Iraq,Syria,Afganistan are the clear examples.

As long as islam rules there cant be democracy in a country. I dont know a country where there is democracy like in the western world. They are all ruled by dictators or a autocratic government at the very least. Maybe they will improve when they will remove religion from state government.


Do you think rebels = terrorists? There are 3 major groups claim 3 different parts of the country. Also the sources you mention are just he/she said or claimed whatever.
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AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
August 30 2014 15:25 GMT
#4342
It looks like the conflict heats up around the lebanese border region again, there is fighting going on and IS wants to pressure the Lebanese State into releasing a commander and some of his fighters who were captured in Arsal (Lebanese border town briefly held by IS a month or so ago). Today IS released video footage of a lebanese soldier named Ali al Sayed being beheaded (was a sunni), may he rest in peace.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 30 2014 23:42 GMT
#4343
Clashes have erupted between al Qaida-linked Syrian rebels and UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights after the militants surrounded their encampment, activists and officials said, as the international organisation risked being sucked further into the conflict.

Other UN peacekeepers were able to flee from a different encampment that that was also surrounded by rebels of the Nusra Front, al Qaida's Syrian affiliate, they said.

The clashes came after Syrian rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, overran the Quneitra crossing - located on the frontier between Syrian and Israeli controlled parts of the Golan Heights - on Wednesday, seizing 44 Fijian peacekeepers.

The Nusra Front also surrounded the nearby Rwihana and Breiqa encampments, where other UN peacekeepers were holed up.


Source

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2014 01:56 GMT
#4344
Germany has delivered 16000 assault rifles, 10000 hand grenades, 500 anti-tank rockets, armored vehicles and more to the Kurds in Iraq.

Syrian Army shelling Jobar:



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2014 05:01 GMT
#4345
A 16-year-old girl suspected of trying to reach Syria to join Islamist rebels has been arrested in the southeastern city of Nice, France's interior minister said on Sunday.

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said in a statement that border police at Nice airport arrested the girl on Saturday, before her departure "for jihad."

A man around the age of 20 was later arrested on suspicion of being her recruiter and of purchasing her airline ticket to Turkey, in order to reach Syria.


Source

Jobar:



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2014 17:27 GMT
#4346
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2014 20:34 GMT
#4347
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
September 01 2014 21:09 GMT
#4348
On August 30 2014 19:18 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2014 22:28 SkelA wrote:
Its common knowledge that USA,Saudi Arabia, Turkey supported the opposition/terrorists/rebels in the early stages of the conflict in Syria but now they created a monster so huge they cant control.

Turkey and USA probably want to clear their involvement from ISIS but its clear that Saudi Arabia and Qatar(?) are the main supporters/funders of that organization.

When will the west learn to stop medling in middle eastern affairs? They are clearly not ready for democracy and I would rather have a dictator in power than madmen like ISIS. Both are bad but you gotta pick the lesser evil. In every country where USA interveneed the sitation became worse than before. Egypt,Lybia,Iraq,Syria,Afganistan are the clear examples.

As long as islam rules there cant be democracy in a country. I dont know a country where there is democracy like in the western world. They are all ruled by dictators or a autocratic government at the very least. Maybe they will improve when they will remove religion from state government.


Do you think rebels = terrorists? There are 3 major groups claim 3 different parts of the country. Also the sources you mention are just he/she said or claimed whatever.


Assads propaganda staff has been busy and sucessful, we have to give them that. They convinced a lot of people that anyone fighting the syrian goverment were hardline al-qaeda or ISIS.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
September 01 2014 21:51 GMT
#4349
On September 02 2014 06:09 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 19:18 Laserist wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:28 SkelA wrote:
Its common knowledge that USA,Saudi Arabia, Turkey supported the opposition/terrorists/rebels in the early stages of the conflict in Syria but now they created a monster so huge they cant control.

Turkey and USA probably want to clear their involvement from ISIS but its clear that Saudi Arabia and Qatar(?) are the main supporters/funders of that organization.

When will the west learn to stop medling in middle eastern affairs? They are clearly not ready for democracy and I would rather have a dictator in power than madmen like ISIS. Both are bad but you gotta pick the lesser evil. In every country where USA interveneed the sitation became worse than before. Egypt,Lybia,Iraq,Syria,Afganistan are the clear examples.

As long as islam rules there cant be democracy in a country. I dont know a country where there is democracy like in the western world. They are all ruled by dictators or a autocratic government at the very least. Maybe they will improve when they will remove religion from state government.


Do you think rebels = terrorists? There are 3 major groups claim 3 different parts of the country. Also the sources you mention are just he/she said or claimed whatever.


Assads propaganda staff has been busy and sucessful, we have to give them that. They convinced a lot of people that anyone fighting the syrian goverment were hardline al-qaeda or ISIS.

And other than the by now largely irrelevant FSA, isn't that true? Between Al-Nusra and allied militias on the one side, and ISIS on the other, who else is fighting Assad?
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
September 01 2014 23:12 GMT
#4350
On September 02 2014 02:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://youtu.be/-S0u_CttB0I?list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

PKK found its way all the way to iraq? thats kind of weird no?
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 02 2014 09:52 GMT
#4351
On September 02 2014 08:12 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 02:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://youtu.be/-S0u_CttB0I?list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

PKK found its way all the way to iraq? thats kind of weird no?


Well it is well known already. Kurds fighting against ISIS is another wing of the same Kurdish group now it seems Turkey side of the Kurds joined the fight. It is not really surprising for them to join the fight since they expect support on legitimacy of a Kurdish state by helping the cause.

Also it is funny to see PKK militants speak Turkish to a foreign(correct me if I am wrong) agency.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 02 2014 10:21 GMT
#4352
On August 31 2014 08:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Clashes have erupted between al Qaida-linked Syrian rebels and UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights after the militants surrounded their encampment, activists and officials said, as the international organisation risked being sucked further into the conflict.

Other UN peacekeepers were able to flee from a different encampment that that was also surrounded by rebels of the Nusra Front, al Qaida's Syrian affiliate, they said.

The clashes came after Syrian rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, overran the Quneitra crossing - located on the frontier between Syrian and Israeli controlled parts of the Golan Heights - on Wednesday, seizing 44 Fijian peacekeepers.

The Nusra Front also surrounded the nearby Rwihana and Breiqa encampments, where other UN peacekeepers were holed up.


Source



As a follow-up
Filipino peacekeepers, outnumbered by Syrian rebels, ‘held their ground for seven hours’ before fleeing, official says; 44 Fijian troops still captive


http://www.timesofisrael.com/all-filipino-peacekeepers-escape-golan-standoff/

Manila says it ordered its troops to fight back and escape, instead of surrendering to the Syrian Islamists as the UN wished


http://www.timesofisrael.com/filipino-force-defied-un-commander-in-golan-crisis/


Filipino peacekeepers fought against syrian rebels after being asked to surrender. UN wants them to surrender for the sake of the Fijian hostages but Filipino general told them to hold their ground. Filipinos fought for 7 hours then retreated with the cover of darkness because of low ammunition. There was no Filipino casualty and might have been massacred if they surrendered.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15361 Posts
September 02 2014 10:55 GMT
#4353
On September 01 2014 10:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Germany has delivered 16000 assault rifles, 10000 hand grenades, 500 anti-tank rockets, armored vehicles and more to the Kurds in Iraq.

Small correction. They decided yesterday to deliver this to the Kurds, still nothing has happened yet. The weapons will also be officially delivered to the Iraqi state and be routed through Baghdad, not directly to the Kurds.

Germany has been delivering humanitarian and non-lethal military aid directly to Kurdistan over the past 3 weeks though.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
September 02 2014 11:56 GMT
#4354
On September 02 2014 19:21 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 08:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clashes have erupted between al Qaida-linked Syrian rebels and UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights after the militants surrounded their encampment, activists and officials said, as the international organisation risked being sucked further into the conflict.

Other UN peacekeepers were able to flee from a different encampment that that was also surrounded by rebels of the Nusra Front, al Qaida's Syrian affiliate, they said.

The clashes came after Syrian rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, overran the Quneitra crossing - located on the frontier between Syrian and Israeli controlled parts of the Golan Heights - on Wednesday, seizing 44 Fijian peacekeepers.

The Nusra Front also surrounded the nearby Rwihana and Breiqa encampments, where other UN peacekeepers were holed up.


Source



As a follow-up
Show nested quote +
Filipino peacekeepers, outnumbered by Syrian rebels, ‘held their ground for seven hours’ before fleeing, official says; 44 Fijian troops still captive


http://www.timesofisrael.com/all-filipino-peacekeepers-escape-golan-standoff/

Show nested quote +
Manila says it ordered its troops to fight back and escape, instead of surrendering to the Syrian Islamists as the UN wished


http://www.timesofisrael.com/filipino-force-defied-un-commander-in-golan-crisis/


Filipino peacekeepers fought against syrian rebels after being asked to surrender. UN wants them to surrender for the sake of the Fijian hostages but Filipino general told them to hold their ground. Filipinos fought for 7 hours then retreated with the cover of darkness because of low ammunition. There was no Filipino casualty and might have been massacred if they surrendered.

Imo they were right not to surrender.
This surrender bullshit because ISIS have hostages would have just led to them being executed along with the others.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#4355
Yeah, wouldve been a pain if they fell into the same fates as the Fijian soldiers that surrendered.

I'm proud to say though that the peacekeepers were actually the finest soldiers of the Philippines The Scout Rangers.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18207 Posts
September 02 2014 12:57 GMT
#4356
On September 02 2014 20:56 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 19:21 icystorage wrote:
On August 31 2014 08:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clashes have erupted between al Qaida-linked Syrian rebels and UN peacekeepers in the Golan Heights after the militants surrounded their encampment, activists and officials said, as the international organisation risked being sucked further into the conflict.

Other UN peacekeepers were able to flee from a different encampment that that was also surrounded by rebels of the Nusra Front, al Qaida's Syrian affiliate, they said.

The clashes came after Syrian rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, overran the Quneitra crossing - located on the frontier between Syrian and Israeli controlled parts of the Golan Heights - on Wednesday, seizing 44 Fijian peacekeepers.

The Nusra Front also surrounded the nearby Rwihana and Breiqa encampments, where other UN peacekeepers were holed up.


Source



As a follow-up
Filipino peacekeepers, outnumbered by Syrian rebels, ‘held their ground for seven hours’ before fleeing, official says; 44 Fijian troops still captive


http://www.timesofisrael.com/all-filipino-peacekeepers-escape-golan-standoff/

Manila says it ordered its troops to fight back and escape, instead of surrendering to the Syrian Islamists as the UN wished


http://www.timesofisrael.com/filipino-force-defied-un-commander-in-golan-crisis/


Filipino peacekeepers fought against syrian rebels after being asked to surrender. UN wants them to surrender for the sake of the Fijian hostages but Filipino general told them to hold their ground. Filipinos fought for 7 hours then retreated with the cover of darkness because of low ammunition. There was no Filipino casualty and might have been massacred if they surrendered.

Imo they were right not to surrender.
This surrender bullshit because ISIS have hostages would have just led to them being executed along with the others.


Small correction: it's not ISIS fighting on the Golan hights, but al-Nusra. While by all accounts pre-ISIS they are some bloodthirsty kill-all-heathen assholes, ISIS has made them look really civilized by comparison. That said, I don't think surrendering to them would have been a good idea, and I have no clue why the UN would order that "for the sake of the Fijian hostages": instead of having to negotiate the release of just Fijian hostages, the UN wanted to negotiate the release of Fijian AND Philippine hostages?! Furthermore: why are they even called hostages? They should be called PoW... and the rest of the army does NOT stop fighting just because a different divisian was taken prisoner!
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 16:12:00
September 02 2014 15:59 GMT
#4357
On September 02 2014 02:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://youtu.be/-S0u_CttB0I?list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

"It isn't Turkish Kurdistan. It's Kurdish Kurdistan"
LOL

On September 02 2014 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 06:09 Catch]22 wrote:
On August 30 2014 19:18 Laserist wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:28 SkelA wrote:
Its common knowledge that USA,Saudi Arabia, Turkey supported the opposition/terrorists/rebels in the early stages of the conflict in Syria but now they created a monster so huge they cant control.

Turkey and USA probably want to clear their involvement from ISIS but its clear that Saudi Arabia and Qatar(?) are the main supporters/funders of that organization.

When will the west learn to stop medling in middle eastern affairs? They are clearly not ready for democracy and I would rather have a dictator in power than madmen like ISIS. Both are bad but you gotta pick the lesser evil. In every country where USA interveneed the sitation became worse than before. Egypt,Lybia,Iraq,Syria,Afganistan are the clear examples.

As long as islam rules there cant be democracy in a country. I dont know a country where there is democracy like in the western world. They are all ruled by dictators or a autocratic government at the very least. Maybe they will improve when they will remove religion from state government.


Do you think rebels = terrorists? There are 3 major groups claim 3 different parts of the country. Also the sources you mention are just he/she said or claimed whatever.


Assads propaganda staff has been busy and sucessful, we have to give them that. They convinced a lot of people that anyone fighting the syrian goverment were hardline al-qaeda or ISIS.

And other than the by now largely irrelevant FSA, isn't that true? Between Al-Nusra and allied militias on the one side, and ISIS on the other, who else is fighting Assad?

That's very true. Even assuming that there was any grey area before, I think by this point, it's very black-and-white that this is a war against Islamic terrorism. I have no idea why people would deride and satirize an administration heavily engaged against the most despicable human beings in the world, and pass it off as "propaganda."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 02 2014 16:14 GMT
#4358
(Reuters) - Syrian forces carried out their fiercest assault on the rebel stronghold of Jobar in Damascus since the start of the three-year war, conducting at least 27 air strikes on Tuesday and killing a child, according to activists and rights groups.

The government is trying to retake Jobar after the capture of several rebel-held areas around the center of the capital this summer, including the town of Mleiha just outside Damascus on August 14.

Jobar was seized by armed rebels over a year ago, and the area has since endured ongoing ground shelling by government missile batteries located in Damascus city center.

State-run television said the army had gained ground in Jobar, located on the eastern outskirts of Damascus, and aired footage of rubble and tunnels it said had been used by rebels. It also showed multiple explosions and smoke clouds coming from crumbling high-rise buildings.


Source



Convoy heading towards the already large build up of IS fighters around Deir al zor airport.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 16:16:38
September 02 2014 16:16 GMT
#4359
@{CC}StealthBlue

Thanks for the share. It is interesting(and good) to see PKK Kurds fighting against ISIS rather than Turkish army.
I also wonder what kind of promises they took from USA and other major forces in exchange for their contribution to the "holy" cause.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
September 02 2014 16:36 GMT
#4360
On September 03 2014 00:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 02:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
http://youtu.be/-S0u_CttB0I?list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

"It isn't Turkish Kurdistan. It's Kurdish Kurdistan"
LOL

Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
On September 02 2014 06:09 Catch]22 wrote:
On August 30 2014 19:18 Laserist wrote:
On August 29 2014 22:28 SkelA wrote:
Its common knowledge that USA,Saudi Arabia, Turkey supported the opposition/terrorists/rebels in the early stages of the conflict in Syria but now they created a monster so huge they cant control.

Turkey and USA probably want to clear their involvement from ISIS but its clear that Saudi Arabia and Qatar(?) are the main supporters/funders of that organization.

When will the west learn to stop medling in middle eastern affairs? They are clearly not ready for democracy and I would rather have a dictator in power than madmen like ISIS. Both are bad but you gotta pick the lesser evil. In every country where USA interveneed the sitation became worse than before. Egypt,Lybia,Iraq,Syria,Afganistan are the clear examples.

As long as islam rules there cant be democracy in a country. I dont know a country where there is democracy like in the western world. They are all ruled by dictators or a autocratic government at the very least. Maybe they will improve when they will remove religion from state government.


Do you think rebels = terrorists? There are 3 major groups claim 3 different parts of the country. Also the sources you mention are just he/she said or claimed whatever.


Assads propaganda staff has been busy and sucessful, we have to give them that. They convinced a lot of people that anyone fighting the syrian goverment were hardline al-qaeda or ISIS.

And other than the by now largely irrelevant FSA, isn't that true? Between Al-Nusra and allied militias on the one side, and ISIS on the other, who else is fighting Assad?

That's very true. Even assuming that there was any grey area before, I think by this point, it's very black-and-white that this is a war against Islamic terrorism. I have no idea why people would deride and satirize an administration heavily engaged against the most despicable human beings in the world, and pass it off as "propaganda."


And I dont know why you want to pretend like large swaths of Syria isnt held by moderate rebels. What do you have to gain from it?
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