Here is one company that profited off the Iraq war.
What the hell do you think the Iraq war was? War for liberation of Iraqi people? I can't believe there are still ignorant people that still believe the George W Bush rhetoric.
You're not very intelligent if you aren't able to see between the lines without the US government spelling it out for you word by word.
US Government is profiting off Iraqi oil.
Why do you think US will NEVER PULL OUT and Obama is keeping troops there?
On August 27 2011 07:24 ImFromPortugal wrote: Wasnt saddam preparing to start accepting only euros for oil ? : o
Nope
'In November 2000, Iraq began selling its oil in euros. Iraq's oil for food account at the UN was also in euros and Iraq later converted its $10 billion reserve fund at the UN to euros. Several other oil producing countries have also agreed to sell oil in euros-Iran, Libya, Venezuela, Russia, Indonesia, and Malaysia (soon to join this group)."
The unprovoked "shock and awe" attack on Iraq was to serve several economic purposes: (1) Safeguard the U.S. economy by re-denominating Iraqi oil in U.S. dollars, instead of the euro, to try to lock the world back into dollar oil trading so the U.S. would remain the dominant world power-militarily and economically. (2) Send a clear message to other oil producers as to what will happen to them if they abandon the dollar matrix
As you know, U.S. succeeded. An oil country selling oil not for USD is an american enemy.
Understanding the world economy is crucial for understanding events. Not a thought why the arab spring while the world banking system has started to fall apart?
Libya is just a step. Syria is next, then - Iran. Ans the western world has no choice. The industry in China, the resources are in the middle east, Africa and Russia, the only important thing the West produces now is the money. The world must use the western money. Libya is crucial for the West. I have no doubt that NATO wins early or later. The question is only how far will it go. It started as no fly zone, now it is an air and special force of the "rebels" and in case even this will not be enough - direct invasion. They will find a pretext, no doubt. But Gaddafi wining - not even theoretically possible.
I don't know about critical thinking, but I'll dismiss your evaluation by implying that your position is helpful to inhuman evil with italics
I loled.
if that's the best you have, srsly lol
I've basically stated what we know for sure, the NTC is a tiny minority of the population as a whole with no democratic underpinnings or evidence of any kind of real popular support. They may have a great deal of popular support, they may be the best thing to ever happen to Libya, but we don't know that.
You have somehow magically attributed to them the status of "umbrella organization", presumably meaning that they represent a plurality of views. You also assume that supporting them gives reasonable chance of a "fair and stable" outcome.
My position is based on simple observation with a good nod to how little I know. Yours makes two key assumptions throws in a couple of vaguely nice sounding adjectives and provides no evidence for any of it.
i believe the one providing no evidence is you, pretty silly projection
anyway no one really believes that you aren't against a particular side and are just an ignorant observer searching for truth. we don't really know, but you know enough to talk shit on the NTC as if you do know.
etc. etc., the rest of your post is similarly infected with these kinds of flaws in your thinking.
[quote]ou are misrepresenting what I have said, what I actually did say is is not "the NTC is a craven western puppet". What I said was:
-The NTC is a faction of a fraction.[quote]
lolol patrick cockburn lololol
who are you going to quote next as a reliable source, robert fisk?
the killing of the NTC's lead general and rebel fighters in misrata saying they won't listen to the NTC does not mean it is a faction of a fraction. that is literally the support for the contention of the article. bad alliteration btw.
anyway i never said they were representing every rebel group in the country, i said that they aren't trying to force other groups to listen to them, at least according to what i've heard NTC reps say on NPR radio.
[quote]-The NTC is being given billions.[/quote]
this is the kind of nit-picking that people like you hide behind to present yourself as making a comment on trying to find the truth, but you've really already found it, and are here to tell us. who cares that the NTC is being given billions of Qaddafi's money? who should get it? how should it be distributed? who should be in charge of it at this second? are you going to answer those questions?
[quote]-The NTC is negotiating various private contracts with those helping them militarily. [/quote]
as they damn well should, they owe us for our help.
On August 27 2011 04:51 zalz wrote: Still with that oil nonesense...
How many drops of oil has the US taken from Iraq? Because currently the meter stands at 0. Or is that also an illuminati ruse?
The ammount of dictator supporters in this threat is getting ridiculous. I suppose it's easier to support a dictator when it's not your people he's oppressing. Kind of sickening that people have turned the suffering of the Libyan people into a joke just to feed their anti-Americanism and their conspiracy theories.
What anti-Americanism?
If I could have it my way, I would have cut a deal with the rebels for a % of their oil or drilling rights or what name you to get rid of Gaddafi. It seems they already cut that deal. Gotta profit off all that military expense.
Who controls the oil fields in Iraq?
Who put in place the Iraqi oil ministry?
Give me a break. America would be retarded NOT to make money off that Iraqi oil.
Who runs the Iraqi oil ministry? It get's filled by the party's that get elected by the Iraqi people. You can't just make stuff up and make it fact because you think it sounds reasonable.
If you have evidence that the game is rigged in the Iraqi oil ministry then by all means give me some of that evidence. If you don't have evidence then keep those stories to yourself and stop pretending like it's fact. You need proof for something to be considered. You can't just go "ooh well this sounds reasonable, ergo it's gotta be true".
Even if the game is rigged then that would be the worst idea in history. Remove dictator that sells oil to replace with a democracy that is hard to predict wich is at best going to sell us the same oil. Think it through, don't just scream "oil lol".
I shouldnt do this but i will...
If you say by America its population, then no you are right. But as this is not the case America (the word) is here being used as the "Military Industrial Complex"
Then it does, for the following reason, conflict. For the "Military Industrial Complex" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex) conflict means Profit..
You blame others of think thinking things through but you are as blind as you claim others to be. Please don't pretend like you actually know what is happening.
Motive does not equall crime.
The police has more work to do if there are more criminals, is the police letting killers and rapists go free so they can keep working?
The bike repairman in my town gets money for fixing bikes, is he going out at night breaking and stealing bikes?
Every employee up for promotion would benefit from their boss dying. Are all employees up for promotion killers?
Amnesty international has more work to do if bad governments are locking up political prisoners. Is Amnesty international supporting regime's like Iran to create work?
When your parents die you get part of their property. Are you going to kill your parents?
A doctor has more work when more people get sick. Are all doctors working on a disease that will wipe out all of humanity?
A construction worker has more work to do if there are more buildings to rebuild. Are all construction workers terrorists out to bomb the world?
McDonalds can make more money if people have less free time to spend cooking. Is McDonalds planning to steal everyone's free time?
PETA can make more money if there is more animal cruelty. Is PETA running an animal torture centre?
The military industrial complex can make more money if there is war. Is the military industrial complex creating wars?
Motivation does not equall crime. Would you know what happened if you suggested to start a war for profit? You would probably get dragged out to court the same day or at best get fired for even uttering something that stupid.
The US maintains it's military regardless of war. More war doesn't warrent a massive increase in spending because the US military maintains a super power army wich needs to constantly be in a state of possible war.
Wasnt saddam preparing to start accepting only euros for oil ? : o
Nope
hm
Foreign Exchange: Saddam Turns His Back on Greenbacks
Europe's dream of promoting the euro as a competitor to the U.S. dollar may get a boost from SADDAM HUSSEIN. Iraq says that from now on, it wants payments for its oil in euros, despite the fact that the battered European currency unit, which used to be worth quite a bit more than $1, has dropped to about 82[cents]. Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."
Actions speak louder then words. That article is from 2000, the invasion was on 2003.
During those 3 years Iraq never once stopped accepting dollars and never indicated any serious movement towards a Euro only policy.
In 2000, Iraq converted all its oil transactions under the Oil for Food program to euros.[2] When U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, it returned oil sales from the euro to the USD.
Speaking to RT today live from Brazil, Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar said that an al-Qaeda asset is now leading the military of rebel-controlled Libya.
According to Escobar, Abdelhakim Belhadj, who commanded a military offensive in Libya over the weekend, has become the de facto commander of the Tripoli armed forces. Belhadj has also, says Escobar, was trained in Afghanistan by a “very hardcore Islamist Libyan group.”
Escobar says that Taliban-linked sources overseas have confirmed Belhadj as the new commander. In the aftermath of 9/11, the CIA began tracking Belhadj, who was eventually captured in Malaysia in 2003. Escobar says that he was then tortured in Bangkok before being transferred back to Libya and imprisoned. He made a deal that allowed for his release in 2009 and as of this week is the military commander of Tripoli.
“I can say almost for sure with 95 percent certainty that this is the guy,” Escobar confirms
Here is one company that profited off the Iraq war.
What the hell do you think the Iraq war was? War for liberation of Iraqi people? I can't believe there are still ignorant people that still believe the George W Bush rhetoric.
You're not very intelligent if you aren't able to see between the lines without the US government spelling it out for you word by word.
US Government is profiting off Iraqi oil.
Why do you think US will NEVER PULL OUT and Obama is keeping troops there?
My god i provided like 10 examples and your brain just kicks in the super filter and re-affirms the ridiculous notion that motive = crime.
You hate America, did you start the war in Libya to discredit NATO?
US forces are leaving Iraq in december of 2011, it's allready set. So the US releases the statement that they are retreating their troops by december...and your response basically boils down to
"No, that's doesn't match how the world SHOULD be, thus it's not true!"
The US is profiting off the Iraqi oil. Not as much as Asia or the UK though. Funny how you don't realise that the UK actually has a bigger share in the oil then the US. Statistics are estimated to be:
Iraq 1.462 25% Asia 1.9 20% UK 1.81 19% US 1.462 16% Russia 1.064 11% Europe (excl UK) 0.865 9%
Clever illuminati. Invading Iraq for the oil and then allowing China to obtain a greater part of the oil reserves. Most clever indeed.
Understanding the world economy is crucial for understanding events. Not a thought why the arab spring while the world banking system has started to fall apart?
Libya is just a step. Syria is next, then - Iran. Ans the western world has no choice. The industry in China, the resources are in the middle east, Africa and Russia, the only important thing the West produces now is the money. The world must use the western money. Libya is crucial for the West. I have no doubt that NATO wins early or later. The question is only how far will it go. It started as no fly zone, now it is an air and special force of the "rebels" and in case even this will not be enough - direct invasion. They will find a pretext, no doubt. But Gaddafi wining - not even theoretically possible.
Understanding the world economy by coming up with false reports. That's one way i suppose.
Ooh my god, how happy i would be. First the people of Libya get rid of their dictator. Then the people of Syria get rid of their dictator and then Iran gets rid of their dictator. That would indeed be a bright future.
This might upset you but one day we might even see Mugabe's head on a pike, or gosh, who knows, Kim-Jong-Ill.
The industry is in China, the resources in the middle-east, Africa and Russia and the only important thing the West produces now is the money? Well that's intresting. I thought you were so well versed in the ways of the global market.
To be truthfull your understanding seems rather childish actually. A few pages back you allready made the claim that a currency based on a resource would shatter the dollar simply by being based on a resource like oil or gold. Your logic was that then the money would be more then just paper and then...im not entirely sure but im rather confident you invoked the use of magic at point.
I can't wait for a big sweep of all the dicators you seem to love so much. Sick fascist Assad can go first once Gaddaffi is dead in a trench. Then we knock over the religious fascists in Iran, someone can put a bullet in all out sicko Robert and finally let's hope Kim-Jong-Ill just offs himself to save us the effort.
All of those are deeply evil men that deserve the worst fate they could have. It's disturbing that you seem almost eager to defend them and to call them saints simply because they oppose the west wich you loathe for reasons more often based in conspiracy then fact.
Zalz i would suggest that you go find out how much those percentage mean in term of money $$$$
Iraq 1.462 25% Asia 1.9 20% UK 1.81 19% US 1.462 16% Russia 1.064 11% Europe (excl UK) 0.865 9%
Just giving percentage doesn't give the whole picture.
You also ignore the fact that its not only about selling oil think about the cost of the military. Costs also means someone at the other and of cost is profiting. Where do you think that money is going?
On August 27 2011 08:17 Saji wrote: Zalz i would suggest that you go find out how much those percentage mean in term of money $$$$
Iraq 1.462 25% Asia 1.9 20% UK 1.81 19% US 1.462 16% Russia 1.064 11% Europe (excl UK) 0.865 9%
Just giving percentage doesn't give the whole picture.
Yes it does. Turning those % into numbers would be a childish game because every single one of those parties would instantly display a large $ figure. A big number like that works effectively on the simple mind and you can pretend like the US is still taking in the big bucks over the back of Iraqis.
Those statistics are the truth, the actually split. It shows you how China and the UK both have a larger intrest in the Iraqi oil supply then the US. You don't like it, that doesn't make it anything other then true.
You also ignore the fact that its not only about selling oil think about the cost of the military. Costs also means someone at the other and of cost is profiting. Where do you think that money is going?
Follow the money man
Stop desperately changing the subject. For some reason you though the US would have a 95%+ share of the Iraqi oil. Turns out it's not really that big of a share and you suddenly want to talk about military expenditures.
Let me paint it out even more obvious for you.
11% goes to Russia, 20% goes to China. Both these countries take the Iraqi oil in the form of state oil companies. Those state companies are a direct part of the state, thus it is literally China and Russia with a 31% share in the Iraq oil supply.
Meanwhile the UK and the US get their share entirely from independent companies wich happen to be situated in those respective countries. Shell and Exxon are not part of their respective governments and not extensions of their political planning.
State companies are a different story. So if you want to be factually correc then it's China and Russia that as countries have the biggest direct intrest in the Iraqi oil.
Gotha of the US establishment that is the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote a Financial Times op-ed blatantly stating, "The 'humanitarian' intervention introduced to save lives believed to be threatened was in fact a political intervention introduced to bring about regime change."
As for those lowly bit part local actors - Libyans from Cyrenaica - Haass already dispatched them to the dustbin of history: "Libyans will not be able to manage the situation about to emerge on their own", and with "two million barrels of oil a day" at stake, the only solution is an "international force". Translation: occupation army - as in Afghanistan and Iraq. Welcome to neo-colonialism 2.0
So zalz you still say Saddam didnt start selling his oil in euros prior to the invasion of Iraq ? hm is that a conspiracy also? Dont you find it a bit odd that when Ghaddafi wants to implement the gold dinar as currency for oil trade he gets attacked? I wonder what would happen in a western country if people would go to the streets with weapons demanding "change".
lol I don't get the what the big deal is with that, so someone fucked up and made a mistake, so what?
mistake? Lol.. you think it was a mistake ? ^^
Quarter to seven in the morning? Some half awake guy showing the wrong clip by mistake, don't think it's too far fetched.
Even if it was intentional, what possible purpose could it serve? It's obvious to anyone that those are Indian flags and if you see footage of the actual Martyr's Square then it's a bunch of Libyans waving around Libyan flags, only real difference is the flag.
It's hilarious how many ridiculous conspiracy sites you get when you google 'bbc mistake green square'
It's interesting how there isn't really much celebration footage from the streets of Tripoli. When the protesters in Egypt overthrew Mubarak there were hundreds of thousands of people flooding the streets in celebration. You just don't see that in Libya outside of some celebration in Benghazi. To me the whole thing seems kind of fishy.
lol I don't get the what the big deal is with that, so someone fucked up and made a mistake, so what?
mistake? Lol.. you think it was a mistake ? ^^
Quarter to seven in the morning? Some half awake guy showing the wrong clip by mistake, don't think it's too far fetched.
Even if it was intentional, what possible purpose could it serve? It's obvious to anyone that those are Indian flags and if you see footage of the actual Martyr's Square then it's a bunch of Libyans waving around Libyan flags, only real difference is the flag.
It's hilarious how many ridiculous conspiracy sites you get when you google 'bbc mistake green square'
the difference is that the fight is still ongoing, and the Lybian are fighting against the invaders and Nato Special forces and mercs; they present the image as if Tripoli has already fallen and people are jubulating in the streets.
lol I don't get the what the big deal is with that, so someone fucked up and made a mistake, so what?
mistake? Lol.. you think it was a mistake ? ^^
Quarter to seven in the morning? Some half awake guy showing the wrong clip by mistake, don't think it's too far fetched.
Even if it was intentional, what possible purpose could it serve? It's obvious to anyone that those are Indian flags and if you see footage of the actual Martyr's Square then it's a bunch of Libyans waving around Libyan flags, only real difference is the flag.
It's hilarious how many ridiculous conspiracy sites you get when you google 'bbc mistake green square'
the difference is that the fight is still ongoing, and the Lybian are fighting against the invaders and Nato Special forces and mercs; they present the image as if Tripoli has already fallen and people are jubulating in the streets.
So the Al Jazeera reports about the ongoing fighting... That never happened? I mean who the hell are "they"?
lol I don't get the what the big deal is with that, so someone fucked up and made a mistake, so what?
mistake? Lol.. you think it was a mistake ? ^^
they even have the thing on top saying "Live, Tripoli"
Yes that was a mistake, it was posted in the thread a few days ago and they mixed up Libya footage with Indian protesting footage. Humans make mistakes you know. o: Doesn't excuse that it was retarded but it was a mistake and Russia Today (the source you guys love to go to) made the same mistake:
lol I don't get the what the big deal is with that, so someone fucked up and made a mistake, so what?
mistake? Lol.. you think it was a mistake ? ^^
Quarter to seven in the morning? Some half awake guy showing the wrong clip by mistake, don't think it's too far fetched.
Even if it was intentional, what possible purpose could it serve? It's obvious to anyone that those are Indian flags and if you see footage of the actual Martyr's Square then it's a bunch of Libyans waving around Libyan flags, only real difference is the flag.
It's hilarious how many ridiculous conspiracy sites you get when you google 'bbc mistake green square'
the difference is that the fight is still ongoing, and the Lybian are fighting against the invaders and Nato Special forces and mercs; they present the image as if Tripoli has already fallen and people are jubulating in the streets.
Well a lot of them are, there's REAL footage of people celebrating in Green Square and elsewhere...
And what on earth are you on about? " Lybian are fighting against the invaders and Nato Special forces and mercs"
The vast majority of the Libyan people are fighting against the small number of Gaddafi loyalists and his mercenaries with support from NATO, 95% at least of Tripoli is in rebel hands and people are celebrating all over the place. You must live on another planet.
Also lol at the comments in that video, 'British Brainwashing Corporation', the funny thing is they're the brainwashed ones, damn plebeians.
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