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On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft.
Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements.
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On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements.
The African Union doesn't exist on your planet?
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On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet?
Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict.
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On August 27 2011 10:40 Saji wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet? Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict.
You mean they attempted to get Gaddafi to negioate and he straight up refused?
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On August 27 2011 10:42 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:40 Saji wrote:On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet? Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict. You mean they attempted to get Gaddafi to negioate and he straight up refused?
please stop posting, from your first reply it was obvious you have extremely superficial understanding on this matter... please stop posting.
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On August 27 2011 10:42 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:40 Saji wrote:On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet? Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict. You mean they attempted to get Gaddafi to negioate and he straight up refused?
Mustafa Abdel Jalil (C), chairman of the opposition Interim Transitional National Council (ITNC), speaks to the media at a press conference in Benghazi, Libya, April 11, 2011. Libyan rebels on Monday rejected a road map initiated by the African Union calling for ceasefire between the rebels and forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, because it did not include the ouster of Gaddafi.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-04/12/c_13824042.htm
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On August 27 2011 10:49 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:42 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:40 Saji wrote:On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet? Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict. You mean they attempted to get Gaddafi to negioate and he straight up refused? please stop posting, from your first reply it was obvious you have extremely superficial understanding on this matter... please stop posting.
Okay then please explain it all and enlighten us, o'wise one.
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On August 27 2011 10:52 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:49 snailz wrote:On August 27 2011 10:42 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:40 Saji wrote:On August 27 2011 10:38 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:36 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:33 muse5187 wrote:On August 27 2011 10:32 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 10:28 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 09:58 GeyzeR wrote:jello_biafra, mercenaries were already discussed,. for both sides. It was not known before the rebels killed one. It is unknown how many are there and what is their task. I have heard rumors about ex soviet pilots of fighter jets, but they have become useless anyway. "tyrant known as Gaddafi would still be in total control of Libya." means that you know nada about Libya and a victim of propaganda. Please spend 6 minutes of your life on this video. Libya, things you should know. http://vimeo.com/28179350Also, Gaddafi has improved women rights a lot as for Muslim country. The stories about tyrant and dictator Gaddafi are for the clueless westerners who never were interested in the country (including me). But there are a lot of information about life in Libya (texts before the revolution of course) What a ridiculous propaganda video. No mention of the way he eliminated dissent (mass surveillance, public/televised executions), his campaigns against the Berber people, assassinations around the world, his training camps for terrorists, mercenaries, warlords and dictators from all over the world, funding of terrorism worlwide, how all Libya's oil money either went to Gaddafi's regime/family or on weaponry, how that supposed "oil money straight to Libyan's bank accounts" was just a plan in the pipeline (heh) that was never implemented, his sexist and homophobic islamist laws, his attempts at islamifying neighbouring countries (starting groups such as the Islamic Legion and starting wars for no good reason), his ridiculous war against Egypt when they foiled one of his terrorist attacks, bringing guns to meetings with oil companies when attempting to impose his ridiculously high tax rates on them, being a close friend of Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. What a joke. Still the last of the African warriors, im very sad with the spineless African countries, they should have sent some armies there to support him. this is real life, not starcraft. Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The African Union doesn't exist on your planet? Apparently not since NATO has disregarded their calling for peaceful negotiations between the rebels and Gadaffi at the beginning of this conflict. You mean they attempted to get Gaddafi to negioate and he straight up refused? please stop posting, from your first reply it was obvious you have extremely superficial understanding on this matter... please stop posting. Okay then please explain it all and enlighten us, o'wise one.
Even if he would explain, you would not be willing to listen/read it, just look at what you say at the end of your sentence,
You ask someone to explain and then you end your sentence with a condescending manner, how mature (see what i did there)
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I really hope there's more than 10 people in this entire thread who can see past the 'media' and 'protesters being shot' ploy.
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
There's just so many reasons for NATO to take out Lybia none of which include the protection of protestors, let alone the upholding of basic human rights.
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On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources?
Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so.
An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years.
Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country?
It's not Libya they're taking out, it's a corrupt regime that has clearly lost popular support and all legitimacy.
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On August 27 2011 11:07 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources? Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so. An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years. Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country?
the fact you mention saudi arabia of all countries, and know nothing about its unique relation to united states speaks volumes on your general knowledge in world politics...
please stop posting, please.
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It's not Libya they're taking out, it's a corrupt regime that has clearly lost popular support and all legitimacy.
How can you really say it's clearly lost popular support ? The only way the rebels remotely succeeded was because of the thousands of sorties flown by nato. I don't think the rebel support in Libya is as big as they make it out to be.
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On August 27 2011 11:15 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:07 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources? Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so. An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years. Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country? the fact you mention saudi arabia of all countries, and know nothing about its unique relation to united states speaks volumes on your general knowledge in world politics... please stop posting, please.
I know the situation with Saudi Arabia and Turkey is IN NATO so obiously it's not going to get bombed but that's besides the point, just using them as examples of muslim countries.
If you want me to stop posting then actually address my points and provide sources showing why I'm wrong, if you guys could remotely PROVE your wild theories then we wouldn't be having this problem.
On August 27 2011 11:16 Regulate140 wrote:
How can you really say it's clearly lost popular support ? The only way the rebels remotely succeeded was because of the thousands of sorties flown by nato. I don't think the rebel support in Libya is as big as they make it out to be.
Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the rebels had no tanks, planes or real military experience and required support.
Look at Syria, you think the regime there is popular?
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Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements.
The police state accomplishments or the terrorism ones?
This discussion is surreal. If it isn't all a big conspiracy you're ignorant and stupid; because you don't agree with snailz and suvorov and saji there's obviously something wrong with your brain. Also snailz says shut up pl0x because you're making him mad probably.
I prefer non-police states to police states, does the alleged existence of a conspiracy render it necessary to disregard the good of a police-state turning into a non-police state?
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On August 27 2011 11:23 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +Ofc they would never go against whe will of their Western masters, at least Ghaddafi had a dream for an united Africa, and many african countries could copy the example of many of his achievements. The police state accomplishments or the terrorism ones? This discussion is surreal. If it isn't all a big conspiracy you're ignorant and stupid; because you don't agree with snailz and suvorov and saji there's obviously something wrong with your brain. Also snailz says shut up pl0x because you're making him mad probably. I prefer non-police states to police states, does the alleged existence of a conspiracy render it necessary to disregard the good of a police-state turning into a non-police state?
The accomplishments that made Lybia one of the must advanced African countries : )
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On August 27 2011 11:21 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:15 snailz wrote:On August 27 2011 11:07 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources? Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so. An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years. Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country? the fact you mention saudi arabia of all countries, and know nothing about its unique relation to united states speaks volumes on your general knowledge in world politics... please stop posting, please. I know the situation with Saudi Arabia and Turkey is IN NATO so obiously it's not going to get bombed but that's besides the point, just using them as examples of muslim countries. If you want me to stop posting then actually address my points and provide sources showing why I'm wrong, if you guys could remotely PROVE your wild theories then we wouldn't be having this problem. Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:16 Regulate140 wrote:
How can you really say it's clearly lost popular support ? The only way the rebels remotely succeeded was because of the thousands of sorties flown by nato. I don't think the rebel support in Libya is as big as they make it out to be. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the rebels had no tanks, planes or real military experience and required support. Look at Syria, you think the regime there is popular?
Tell me something, whats the answer against armed groups of rebels trying to takeover a country?
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From someone who has family in Tunisia and Lybia, and someone who has had 3 relatives die in these conflicts.
To that note, my uncle was 6 years in prison in Tunisia for being an Imam and speaking against the government.
First of, and please take this at the amount one feels it applies to oneself, I am appalled at 90% of all posts the latest 40 pages.
Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves, competing or arguing on the internet as if any one of you had any real idea what was going on, other than citing news/reports that none of you have any idea of how they came to be. This counts for both sides, but mostly the conspiracy-theorist since you people have just about every media outlet proving you wrong; If 1300 had died (of which hasn't in a single days worth of bombing, I know my cousins are in Tripoli) even if say CNN/CNBC/Every EU news channel would not report it because they want to hide what is "really going on", then Fox News would talk about it to smear down Obama, Al Jazeera who doesn't give two shits about what the west thinks would report it, Russia would report it (in a more objective manner than they are, they're pointing to Lybian government officials, whom lie out of their asses and claim that 600 000 civilians from the whole country came to the capital to fight for Ghadaffi).
Let me just say this in regards to this whole "ITS A WESTERN SCAM TO STEAL OIL! THE PEOPLE LOVE GHADAFFI!" If you are such a numbskull that you honestly think that Ghadaffi has support... but he is still losing a war against rebels, of whom are of his own people, then what is wrong with you? If they supported him, why wouldn't they fight for him?
Secondly, please, and I really implore you all, please stop talking as if you knew half a books worth of history or knowledge about the Middle East and North Africa and how wildly they differ on so many levels.(It's closer from Sweden to Spain, Italy, Bosnia and Siberia than it is from Tunis/Lybia to Iraq/Afghanistan) Tunisia for one is the most secular muslims country and gave woman rights to vote before half of Europa. They also gave blacks and minorities rights to vote instantly when liberty was gained (as with woman) whilst the US didn't do it as late as the sixties.
If you are going to start throwing half-truths, rumours, "facts" or whatever then please take a long while and think about what you are posting and view it from a critical perspective.
I won't argue any one of the arguments in this topic, they're not worth it.
Also this whole "Nato is only doing it for themselves" well ofcourse, what the hell do you people think? My family and relatives spent lifetimes in opression whilst no one in the whole of Europa knew the names of these dictators, and suddenly everybody cares?
But take it from someone who actually has a stake in this; It's better this way than not caring at all, the west will abuse and steal as much as they can either way, might as well be a democratic government they do it from.
Please can an moderator start fixing this topic so that it's about the actual facts and uprising rather than redundant discussions that people can take over PM if they actually care that much (of which most of you people don't since I've never heard of a westerner discuss north african dictators before this year)
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On August 27 2011 11:39 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:21 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 11:15 snailz wrote:On August 27 2011 11:07 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources? Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so. An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years. Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country? the fact you mention saudi arabia of all countries, and know nothing about its unique relation to united states speaks volumes on your general knowledge in world politics... please stop posting, please. I know the situation with Saudi Arabia and Turkey is IN NATO so obiously it's not going to get bombed but that's besides the point, just using them as examples of muslim countries. If you want me to stop posting then actually address my points and provide sources showing why I'm wrong, if you guys could remotely PROVE your wild theories then we wouldn't be having this problem. On August 27 2011 11:16 Regulate140 wrote:
How can you really say it's clearly lost popular support ? The only way the rebels remotely succeeded was because of the thousands of sorties flown by nato. I don't think the rebel support in Libya is as big as they make it out to be. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the rebels had no tanks, planes or real military experience and required support. Look at Syria, you think the regime there is popular? Tell me something, whats the answer against armed groups of rebels trying to takeover a country?
Only if you tell us the answer to living under a dictator. Maybe ask him nicely to leave? Or could it be that people are rebelling because they are happy? Oh, right, these aren't rebels - these are all NATO special forces...
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On August 27 2011 12:53 Nightfall.589 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:39 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 27 2011 11:21 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 11:15 snailz wrote:On August 27 2011 11:07 jello_biafra wrote:On August 27 2011 10:55 Suvorov wrote:
Countless tons of gold, decent oil reserves...a staunch anti-us regional power...proposals for an african monetary fund...a muslim country...
You really think NATO is just going to swoop in there and steal their resources? Anti-US power? They've had US support for the last 15 years or so. An African Monetery Fund and African Central Bank is in the process of being set up by the African Union and has been planned for 20 years. Is NATO bombing Turkey or Saudi Arabia? You honestly think "they're muslims" is a justification to "take over" a country? the fact you mention saudi arabia of all countries, and know nothing about its unique relation to united states speaks volumes on your general knowledge in world politics... please stop posting, please. I know the situation with Saudi Arabia and Turkey is IN NATO so obiously it's not going to get bombed but that's besides the point, just using them as examples of muslim countries. If you want me to stop posting then actually address my points and provide sources showing why I'm wrong, if you guys could remotely PROVE your wild theories then we wouldn't be having this problem. On August 27 2011 11:16 Regulate140 wrote:
How can you really say it's clearly lost popular support ? The only way the rebels remotely succeeded was because of the thousands of sorties flown by nato. I don't think the rebel support in Libya is as big as they make it out to be. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the rebels had no tanks, planes or real military experience and required support. Look at Syria, you think the regime there is popular? Tell me something, whats the answer against armed groups of rebels trying to takeover a country? Only if you tell us the answer to living under a dictator. Maybe ask him nicely to leave? Or could it be that people are rebelling because they are happy? Oh, right, these aren't rebels - these are all NATO special forces...
I just find interesting, the difference between the peaceful demonstrators in Egypt and the armed rebels in Lybia... some of my family lives under a dictator, but the wont leave he is a good western puppet.
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I just find interesting, the difference between the peaceful demonstrators in Egypt and the armed rebels in Lybia... some of my family lives under a dictator, but the wont leave he is a good western puppet.
the threat of force was implicit both from the egyptian protestors and the egyptian army (protests were escalating towards a potentially violent situation and there was no doubt the egyptian army would use massive and overwhelming force to stop a full revolt against the government), saying that the protests were peaceful is not literally accurate (ie the sexual assault on the cbs reporter) and not figuratively either. the old dictator was replaced by a military junta, what a great solution, that's why protests are continuing. there's a lot of tension in egypt.
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