Its entirely possible that libyan rebels are at the cause of the chaos and 'death squads' in Libya. I believe they have more of a reason to cause the chaos than Gadaffi. Here is the evidence:
As reported by Human Rights watch {http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/07/13/libya-opposition-forces-should-protect-civilians-and-hospitals} - the libyan rebels are not above wrongdoing. In rebel-held East Libya, citizens of Chad are "paraded on television as mercenaries and sometimes executed" {http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE7320JH20110403?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true}. In fact according to this report by US military institution West Point, violence just may be in their personality {http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FMJ_mCHhuwQJ:www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/03/17/libyan-rebellion-has-radical-islamist-fervor-benghazi-link-islamic-militancyus-milit+us+army+west+point+report+libya+source&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com (sorry for the long link but for some reason the original article is only accessible through google's cache)}. The article makes a most scathing analysis of fact about Libya's rebelling eastern province: more terrorists who fought and killed our soldiers in Iraq came from the eastern rebel province of Libya THAN ANYWHERE ELSE. The original source is here {http://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Self-Inflicted-Wounds.pdf} Another site sources the original and provides graphs {http://hamsayeh.net/articles/503-the-cias-libya-rebels-2007-west-point-study-shows-benghazi-darnah-tobruk-area-was-a-world-leader-in-al-qaeda-suicide-bomber-recruitment.html}.
The rebels are not what they seem if you only attend western mainstream media sources. The rebels are Al Qaeda, or merely affiliated with the group (btw is attempting to kill US troops in Iraq merely an affiliation with Al Qaeda?) In fact, a Libyan Confederate leader has BOASTED about drafting terrorist fighters in Iraq to the conflict against Gadaffi and Libya. {http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/connections-between-al-qaeda-and-libyan-rebels-run-deep/}. Heck, two former Afghan Mujahedeen and a six-year detainee at Guantanamo Bay are helping LEAD the fight against the sovereign nation of Libya! {http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576237042432212406.html}
Despite this, support for Gadaffi among his loyal people has never been more solid. At one point in the conflict more than ONE MILLION people took to the streets in support of Gadaffi. {http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/23-06-2011/118288-million_gaddafi-0/} {http://endthelie.com/2011/06/23/libya-media-blackouts-lies-and-videotape/#axzz1S2OvxRHe} The population of Libya is around six million. It seems strange that in a country of that population, one million would take to the streets to support the 'blood thirsty' dictator massacring all of his people. That's one sixth the population willing to GO INTO THE STREETS to support Gadaffi's rule of Libya, monstrous showing of solidarity. Protip: he's not massacring all of his people regardless of loyalties like some kind of mad-dog.
So why are we in Libya? The NATO narrative (a US narrative by an armreach) is that Gadaffi is a murderous, treacherous dictator who must be wiped off the face of the Earth for the good of the Libyan people. Yet a massively strong showing of Libyan people face NATO bombing in Tripoli to outwardly stand in support with Gadaffi.
What were the reasons why we thought (or think) he was (or is) such a bad guy?? Well lets take a moment to get the following: Obama claimed that Gadaffi was a sponsor of terror against America. It turns out, Obama later backed off this point. {http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obamas-omission-libya-not-state-sponsor}. We heard that Gadaffi was bombing his own people! He was using his air arsenal to extinguish the Libyans! Well, this never happened and has been proven a false event - aerial satellite pictures show no airstrikes such as the ones NATO is proposing happened towards Gaddafi's constituent Libyan people actually ever happened. {RT@ } Turns out this tale has a strange twist. Particularly, an illegal cluster bomb used against the city of Misratah was touted to Gadaffi's "alleged genocidal air strikes". Guess who actually landed the bomb? THE US NAVY. {http://www.presstv.ir/detail/182310.html}. Oh snap! Didn't expect that one, did we?
However we were told more. We were told that Gadaffi had instituted a state policy of RAPE. We were told that Gadaffi was actually issuing Viagra to his 'death squads' so that they could rape on command, and rape often. What a sick bastard!! {http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/gaddafi-troops-rape-viagra-libya_n_855216.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3|59498} Well...it turns out this one is false too. Human rights organisations across the board have questioned the existence of this policy. They find no actual evidence to support the assertion. {http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html}.
The optimist in me says the media was just incorrect in all this. That we attempted to find the truth but were mistaken, and now we're in another war we'll just have to see through. As I've said above, Cynthia McKinney claimed this too, OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS ACTIVELY LYING TO US. You think they're not in someone's pocket? I say naivete. Never trust someone who's lied to you, like our media has when they hid the facts of Iraq. I still don't trust 'em.
Ultimately, what is the US policy in Libya? What does NATO want to do with this guy? Well here is this guy: Gadaffi has a proven track record of being a champion for Africans. Nelson Mandela (yes, the very one) was once quoted as saying Gadaffi is one of the greatest champions of freedom the 20th century has known. In fact, just over a month before the February 15 violent protests in Libya, the UN Human Rights council filed a report whereby 46 delegations COMMENDED Libya's current track record on human rights. {http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf}. So what does NATO want to do to with this guy? We want to assassinate him. This is according to a top ranking US general, in blatant violation of UN resolution 1973. {http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/06/24/exclusive_top_us_admiral_admits_we_are_trying_to_kill_qaddafi}. The International Criminal Court is attempting to put Gadaffi up for crimes against humanity, but even these charges are proving to be baseless. {http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_“International_Criminal_Court”%3A_Prosecuting_Gaddafi_With_Questionable_Evidence_While_Ignoring_NATO-Israeli_Atrocities/13944/0/0/0/Y/M.html}.
When will all this end? Will we stop bombing this country? Why are we supporting Al Qaeda affiliated confederates? If you can stomach it, here is a list of just *some* of the active accounts of violence and terror which were committed on-hand by Libyan 'rebels'. {http://www.blacklistednews.com/LIBYAN_REBEL_WAR_CRIMES%3A_The_Videos_America_Doesn’t_Want_You_To_See_/13576/0/0/0/Y/M.html}
I will never, for my life, ever forget when I saw a video of a group of Libyan rebels detaining a Libyan "Loyalist Mercenary" (possibly an innocent citizen of Chad), and the group chanted to their god, they strung the black mercenary up, and took an axe to his neck....Worse of all is that they didn't get it in one swipe. They hacked, and hacked, and hewed.....and they chanted all the while with their cell phones up; documenting the event for posterity. If this is the people we are supporting in Libya, God help us.
Rebels took control of the Ras Jdir border post on Libya's frontier with Tunisia on Friday after clashes with soldiers loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, witnesses said.
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton reporting from Tripoli says:
This is incredibly important not because it shows that they are managing to get rid of what is left of Gaddafi troops in that area, but more importantly it opens supply route now totally across from the west into Tripoli.
Please show us a single video of the MILLION Ghadaffi supporters that apparently took to the streets.
I've seen youtube videos taken by a civilian, driving his car past loyalist APCs, jeeps, troops... Yet for some reason, nobody in that crowd of a million people had a cell phone.
Oh, right, your source is Prvada. Do they even have a correspondent in Libya? Does he have access to a camera? Or, perhaps, far more likely, they are just making shit up - as they have since the October revolution.
On August 27 2011 14:51 Nightfall.589 wrote: Please show us a single video of the MILLION Ghadaffi supporters that apparently took to the streets.
I've seen youtube videos taken by a civilian, driving his car past loyalist APCs, jeeps, troops... Yet for some reason, nobody in that crowd of a million people had a cell phone.
Oh, right, your source is Prvada. Do they even have a correspondent in Libya? Does he have access to a camera? Or, perhaps, far more likely, they are just making shit up - as they have since the October revolution.
You want a video showing a million people loyal to Gadaffi?
Well that was easy.
Edit: too easy. Here's another million person rally. This time in Al Ajaylat, Libya.
You can't find any videos contradicting the NATO narrative? Dude this stuffs all over the internet. Take the step and type it into youtube. Heck, you can even search the rebel war-crime tally in visual form; if you can stomach their actual atrocities that is..I warn you, what the rebels have been doing isn't for the feint of heart. But if you want to know the truth, then type it all into youtube for chrissake. If you're feeling adventurous youtube 'Libyan soldier hanged and beheaded'; nsfw, but youtube requires you to have an account with them that is 18 yrs or over. Yeah, it got real really fast.
On August 27 2011 11:54 Krehlmar wrote: From someone who has family in Tunisia and Lybia, and someone who has had 3 relatives die in these conflicts. To that note, my uncle was 6 years in prison in Tunisia for being an Imam and speaking against the government.
First of, and please take this at the amount one feels it applies to oneself, I am appalled at 90% of all posts the latest 40 pages.
Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves, competing or arguing on the internet as if any one of you had any real idea what was going on, other than citing news/reports that none of you have any idea of how they came to be. This counts for both sides, but mostly the conspiracy-theorist since you people have just about every media outlet proving you wrong; If 1300 had died (of which hasn't in a single days worth of bombing, I know my cousins are in Tripoli) even if say CNN/CNBC/Every EU news channel would not report it because they want to hide what is "really going on", then Fox News would talk about it to smear down Obama, Al Jazeera who doesn't give two shits about what the west thinks would report it, Russia would report it (in a more objective manner than they are, they're pointing to Lybian government officials, whom lie out of their asses and claim that 600 000 civilians from the whole country came to the capital to fight for Ghadaffi).
Let me just say this in regards to this whole "ITS A WESTERN SCAM TO STEAL OIL! THE PEOPLE LOVE GHADAFFI!" If you are such a numbskull that you honestly think that Ghadaffi has support... but he is still losing a war against rebels, of whom are of his own people, then what is wrong with you? If they supported him, why wouldn't they fight for him?
Secondly, please, and I really implore you all, please stop talking as if you knew half a books worth of history or knowledge about the Middle East and North Africa and how wildly they differ on so many levels.(It's closer from Sweden to Spain, Italy, Bosnia and Siberia than it is from Tunis/Lybia to Iraq/Afghanistan) Tunisia for one is the most secular muslims country and gave woman rights to vote before half of Europa. They also gave blacks and minorities rights to vote instantly when liberty was gained (as with woman) whilst the US didn't do it as late as the sixties.
If you are going to start throwing half-truths, rumours, "facts" or whatever then please take a long while and think about what you are posting and view it from a critical perspective.
I won't argue any one of the arguments in this topic, they're not worth it. Also this whole "Nato is only doing it for themselves" well ofcourse, what the hell do you people think? My family and relatives spent lifetimes in opression whilst no one in the whole of Europa knew the names of these dictators, and suddenly everybody cares? But take it from someone who actually has a stake in this; It's better this way than not caring at all, the west will abuse and steal as much as they can either way, might as well be a democratic government they do it from.
Please can an moderator start fixing this topic so that it's about the actual facts and uprising rather than redundant discussions that people can take over PM if they actually care that much (of which most of you people don't since I've never heard of a westerner discuss north african dictators before this year)
Yay someone who remotely understands what's going on and what's going to happen. Someone who knows something about the Mideast other than hateful wartime propaganda and demonizing. I am very pleased .
“Governments have a strong interest in opening up new channels for opening up business again and everybody is racing for this,” says Lucca Galassi, a journalist from PeaceReporter.net. “The French have Total and have other companies like Alcatel, Ariva and even train companies that are operating there.”
“Libya is now a land of opportunities and everybody is trying to, I would say, loot. It is a sort of looting. They are trying to exploit this war as best as they can,” Lucca Galassi.
But with lucrative oil, gas and infrastructure projects to follow as the war-torn country rebuilds, everyone, it seems, wants a slice of the action.
“A war is a moment of opportunities, of making profits. Nowadays a war is indispensable for Western economies, Western industries. You destroy, you rebuild, you destroy, you rebuild. It’s like a vicious circle,” Lucca Galassi says.
NTC Leider admits that the imagiges taken from green square were fake: Líder del CNT admite que imágenes de la toma de la Plaza Verde en Trípoli fueron un engaño Publicado el 26 agosto, 2011
M. Abdeljalil: “Esta mentira ha engañado a las tropas de Muamar el Gadafi que forman parte de la armada, además han remontado la moral de los Rebeldes y más de 11 países han reconocido al CNT y hemos podido recuperar aproximadamente 13 embajadas. Todas estas ventajas son el resultado de estas mentiras que fueron trabajadas y ttransmitidas de manera inteligente para engañar a los partidarios de Muamar el Gadafi.
Rough translation
These images have been seen by the troops of Gadafi. Furthermore it has reduces/lowered the moral of the troops. Thanks to these fake images 11 countries have endorsed the NTC. All these openings/chances/opportunities have been made possible through the deception of these fake images/lies. And it has translated/helped in fooling the parties of Gadafi
Its basically about opting the EU to rethink and reconsider its diminishing defense budget as it seems that the European countries will have to take a leading role in the post Gadafi era. It gives the argument that if European countries are going to be stationed in Libya and that Europe's military will be spread out thinly, therefore they/we will have to spend more on the Defense budget
PAYING FOR WAR
But for any division of labor between Europe and the United States to work, observers say, European allies may need to rethink defense budget cuts and start discussing how to match U.S. military capabilities, which now vastly outstrip Europe's.
They also run the risk of duplicating spending to match U.S. assets which they do not have and cannot access.
"Europe will have to develop close air-support aircraft and that will be at the expense of something else," said Francois Heisbourg, a French strategic analyst. "We will have more duplication of effort."
The UNHCR has finally blown the veil off the racist atrocities being committed by Libyan rebels: GENEVA, August 26 (UNHCR) – UN High Commissioner for Refugees António Guterres has issued a strong call for sub-Saharan Africans to be protected in Libya as reports emerge from Tripoli of people being targeted because of their colour as the city fell to rebel forces.
UNHCR spoke by phone on Friday to one scared African, Ahmed, a Somali who has been living in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, and teaching at the university there, since 2007. He has stayed on in the city since anti-government protests in the North African country turned violent in February, leading to all-out war between the Muammar Gaddafi regime and rebel forces.
Ahmed said he did not feel directly threatened. But now, as rebels take over the city, he wants to leave. Since most neighbourhoods in Tripoli fell to rebels earlier this week, sub-Saharan Africans like Ahmed are again being singled out.
“If they see you are African, that you are black, they will target you,” said Ahmed, reached in his home. He said local residents, many of whom are armed, are in the streets, setting up roadblocks. “The situation is very difficult here,” he told UNHCR. “You can’t leave your home even for water.”
Very informative non-biased site about the history of Libya its pretty extensive, I recommend anyone who is following this whole ordeal to read the information on this page
On August 24 2011 09:48 BlackAut wrote: u surprised that the damn al quida is an american creation (back then gainst the russians) k go check it out, if i lie don t troll me then plx :3
That's a terrible lack of understanding. I feel compelled to explain a bit of the history behind this statement. Allow me:.............
Thus spawned to global terror threat, Al Qaeda.
That's all for now. The rest has been/is unfolding today.
Im afraid this is a totally flawed history of what actually occurred. Voluminous analysis does not necessary mean sounder
No. It's an entirely accurate account of history. I know that the CIA provided funding to Zia ul Haq before the Soviet invasion. No where have I stated otherwise. Indeed, part of the reason the Soviets invaded was due to the growing Islamist insurgency, propped up by Pakistan, which received funding from the US. Thats only part of it though. Your own analysis fails to include deep seeded ethnic and interparty tensions, including among the Parcham and Khalq communist ruling parties. You need to get your conclusions straight. What I said was that Al Qaeda flourished as a result of support and subsequent ignoring of the Mujahedin. You didn't miss that, did you? Go back and read it. The CIA never directly established Al Qaeda - what are you talking about?
I can't believe you just had the audacity to pronounce that the entire account I gave was totally flawed when you pointed out absolutely no flaws. Ridiculous.
Indeed. The British head of propaganda in world war 2 stated that in propaganda truth is your greatest asset. Make no mistake the United States did use the inherent divisions between different ethic groups to promote division and war. Did you fail to understand the real meaning of Zubigs statements. The CIA did DIRECTLY establish Al Qaeda and since that time these fighters have vigorously fought for the benefit of western imperialism. I watched a documentary where an Iraqi resistance fighter said that Al Qaeda went up to them and offered to join them, then the Al Qaeda forces proceeded to attack and destroy Iraqi resistance forces. Ofcourse they did after all Al Qaeda were fighting for the west then as now.
The British developed a counterinsurgency strategy while occupying Kenya and it revolved around creating murderous gangs who would pretend to be resistance fighters then would roam around massacring civilians. The civilians would then abandon the resistance and join the occupation forces. This was the case in Kenya as it was the case in Iraq and Yugoslavia and today in Libya.
Webster Tarpley is without question of the true geniuses of the world today. Any sound analysis revolves around an understanding of history. Webster is a specialist of the Venician oligarchy and has one of the soundest understandings of history going around today. Tarpley's analysis amounts to an extremely firm real politics assessment of the world. It assumes that anything that western powers do is done for a reason and that reason is empire, however in the context of economic failure the furious and insane western ruling class we must understand that they are capable of all kinds if insanity.
Clearly the main cause of the Libyan 'uprising' was Qaddafi's African Monetary Fund set to commence operations in September of 2011. He would have set Africa free of western economic domination and the West would not tolerate this. Luckily for them they had weakened Qaddafi having manipulated him into abandoning his WMD capabilities in 2004. After all you cannot knife someone in the back until you befriend them. Qaddafi felt under high levels of pressure following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and caved in to western demands. Now the west is using British SAS along with the French Foreign legion along with Al Quida fighting units to destroy Libya.
Let us all hope that Qaddafi prevails so that Africa may be freed from the enslavement of the western economic system.
Webster Tarpley is without question of the true geniuses of the world today. Any sound analysis revolves around an understanding of history. Webster is a specialist of the Venician oligarchy and has one of the soundest understandings of history going around today. Tarpley's analysis amounts to an extremely firm real politics assessment of the world. It assumes that anything that western powers do is done for a reason and that reason is empire, however in the context of economic failure the furious and insane western ruling class we must understand that they are capable of all kinds if insanity.
Clearly the main cause of the Libyan 'uprising' was Qaddafi's African Monetary Fund set to commence operations in September of 2011. He would have set Africa free of western economic domination and the West would not tolerate this. Luckily for them they had weakened Qaddafi having manipulated him into abandoning his WMD capabilities in 2004. After all you cannot knife someone in the back until you befriend them. Qaddafi felt under high levels of pressure following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and caved in to western demands. Now the west is using British SAS along with the French Foreign legion along with Al Quida fighting units to destroy Libya.
Let us all hope that Qaddafi prevails so that Africa may be freed from the enslavement of the western economic system.
I Agree with you about the Monetary Fund, But I also speculated that the Great Man Made River is one of the reasons that Libya has been attacked. The fact of the matter is that Libya without conflict would have been able to provide food for a large part of Africa. In a sense one can say that Libya if left interrupted could have played the same role as that Venezuela (The Bolivarian Revolution) has played in South America and that is to make countries self sufficient and create a strong block v.s Western forces.
(I also think that Israel is involved in this partial for the water and partially because it weakens Iran's geopolitical position <---pure speculation)
People tend to forget that we are heading into a phase were fresh water is going to be a scarce good if most places of the world.
Webster Tarpley is without question of the true geniuses of the world today. Any sound analysis revolves around an understanding of history. Webster is a specialist of the Venician oligarchy and has one of the soundest understandings of history going around today. Tarpley's analysis amounts to an extremely firm real politics assessment of the world. It assumes that anything that western powers do is done for a reason and that reason is empire, however in the context of economic failure the furious and insane western ruling class we must understand that they are capable of all kinds if insanity.
Clearly the main cause of the Libyan 'uprising' was Qaddafi's African Monetary Fund set to commence operations in September of 2011. He would have set Africa free of western economic domination and the West would not tolerate this. Luckily for them they had weakened Qaddafi having manipulated him into abandoning his WMD capabilities in 2004. After all you cannot knife someone in the back until you befriend them. Qaddafi felt under high levels of pressure following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and caved in to western demands. Now the west is using British SAS along with the French Foreign legion along with Al Quida fighting units to destroy Libya.
Let us all hope that Qaddafi prevails so that Africa may be freed from the enslavement of the western economic system.
I Agree with you about the Monetary Fund, But I also speculated that the Great Man Made River is one of the reasons that Libya has been attacked. The fact of the matter is that Libya without conflict would have been able to provide food for a large part of Africa. In a sense one can say that Libya if left interrupted could have played the same role as that Venezuela (The Bolivarian Revolution) has played in South America and that is to make countries self sufficient and create a strong block v.s Western forces.
(I also think that Israel is involved in this partial for the water and partially because it weakens Iran's geopolitical position <---pure speculation)
People tend to forget that we are heading into a phase were fresh water is going to be a scarce good if most places of the world.
Expect Israel to be one to want to get access to that water. As a matter of fact the Cyrenaica region of Libya has the highest rainfall in the Mediterranean, Israel wants to pipe that overland to themselves. The Bush family also baught up land over the water aquifers in Brazil. Water is not scarce as such, it rains down all the time. But what counts is the capability to actually harvest and distribute that water. Quadaff, being one of the best leaders of modern times created an extensive irrigation network to harvest that water and turn the desert green. Unfortunately we may see severe water shortages however this is not the product of real shortage so much as it is the result of horrendous campaigns by western imperialist often using environmentalists to destroy water facilities. Infact the 'greens' (better knows as corporate fascist punks) tried to cut the irrigation water supplies to farmers even though we have had heavy rains in Australia.
On August 27 2011 10:52 jello_biafra wrote: Okay then please explain it all and enlighten us, o'wise one.
Sorry but ... I was just lurking by for a minute. Couldn't help but see the hilarious irony in your name.
Jello Biafra would do his best to be totally be informed as to what is really going on in the world.
Apparently - sitting behind your computer out there - practically drowning in an endless sea of real information about the world - available at the merest click of your ring finger - you are not.
Gahdafi and his family are thugs, no doubt. However:
Almost nothing the Western media is telling you about this conflict is true
Its almost all a complete lie.
If you know nothing about Libya - nothing about their place on the African continent - nothing of his history in dealings with the West - nothing about his relationships with the multinational corporations, international banks, and money powers over the years - nothing about the collapsing and corrupt 'international order' based on fiat currency - nothing about his oil or gold ..
... and nothing about his plans to force the West to trade for his oil only in gold. OR his plans to unite the african continent under a gold-backed currency free from the corrupt and collapsing international system ..
Then you will believe the lies.
Again, sorry ... but I could not help but notice your sn lol
Webster Tarpley is without question of the true geniuses of the world today. Any sound analysis revolves around an understanding of history. Webster is a specialist of the Venician oligarchy and has one of the soundest understandings of history going around today. Tarpley's analysis amounts to an extremely firm real politics assessment of the world. It assumes that anything that western powers do is done for a reason and that reason is empire, however in the context of economic failure the furious and insane western ruling class we must understand that they are capable of all kinds if insanity.
Clearly the main cause of the Libyan 'uprising' was Qaddafi's African Monetary Fund set to commence operations in September of 2011. He would have set Africa free of western economic domination and the West would not tolerate this. Luckily for them they had weakened Qaddafi having manipulated him into abandoning his WMD capabilities in 2004. After all you cannot knife someone in the back until you befriend them. Qaddafi felt under high levels of pressure following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and caved in to western demands. Now the west is using British SAS along with the French Foreign legion along with Al Quida fighting units to destroy Libya.
Let us all hope that Qaddafi prevails so that Africa may be freed from the enslavement of the western economic system.
I Agree with you about the Monetary Fund, But I also speculated that the Great Man Made River is one of the reasons that Libya has been attacked. The fact of the matter is that Libya without conflict would have been able to provide food for a large part of Africa. In a sense one can say that Libya if left interrupted could have played the same role as that Venezuela (The Bolivarian Revolution) has played in South America and that is to make countries self sufficient and create a strong block v.s Western forces.
(I also think that Israel is involved in this partial for the water and partially because it weakens Iran's geopolitical position <---pure speculation)
People tend to forget that we are heading into a phase were fresh water is going to be a scarce good if most places of the world.
Expect Israel to be one to want to get access to that water. As a matter of fact the Cyrenaica region of Libya has the highest rainfall in the Mediterranean, Israel wants to pipe that overland to themselves. The Bush family also baught up land over the water aquifers in Brazil. Water is not scarce as such, it rains down all the time. But what counts is the capability to actually harvest and distribute that water. Quadaff, being one of the best leaders of modern times created an extensive irrigation network to harvest that water and turn the desert green. Unfortunately we may see severe water shortages however this is not the product of real shortage so much as it is the result of horrendous campaigns by western imperialist often using environmentalists to destroy water facilities. Infact the 'greens' (better knows as corporate fascist punks) tried to cut the irrigation water supplies to farmers even though we have had heavy rains in Australia.
Yes i totally agree with this, you worded it much better then I could. Fresh water in its absolute sense is indeed not scares.But what happens when goods /resources become limited? Someone profits from it. All that is happening now is a flow a movement of the predatory system that we are using now.
They had taken place at a makeshift hospital, in a tent marked clearly with the symbols of the Islamic Crescent. Some of the dead were on stretchers, attached to intravenous drips. Some were on the back of an ambulance that had been shot at. A few were on the ground, seemingly attempting to crawl to safety when the bullets came.
Around 30 men lay decomposing in the heat. Many of them had their hands tied behind their back, either with plastic handcuffs or ropes. One had a scarf stuffed into his mouth. Almost all of the victims were black men. Their bodies had been dumped near the scene of two of the fierce battles between rebel and regime forces in Tripoli
On August 27 2011 14:51 Nightfall.589 wrote: Please show us a single video of the MILLION Ghadaffi supporters that apparently took to the streets.
I've seen youtube videos taken by a civilian, driving his car past loyalist APCs, jeeps, troops... Yet for some reason, nobody in that crowd of a million people had a cell phone.
Oh, right, your source is Prvada. Do they even have a correspondent in Libya? Does he have access to a camera? Or, perhaps, far more likely, they are just making shit up - as they have since the October revolution.
And how do we know that these videos weren't filmed 5 years ago? Has a single source, besides the Lybian government provided evidence that these actually happened, this year? That all these people are out there of their own free will? Does Pravda have their own photographs of them? No? Didn't think so.
All that they show is... A rally. And a voiceover. Oh, and a lot of military hardware that's sitting around, doing fuck all, instead of, you know, fighting rebels. Which is what it has been doing for the past four months. Something doesn't add up.
If they like him so much, why didn't all these people fight for him? How is it that a bunch of rebels with looted weapons manage to defeat both his army, and his supporters? Are his supporters by any chance also followers of Ghandi?
Think I can re-upload and re-name this video, and claim that yesterday there is a million person pro-communist rally in Russia? (Do I get bonus points if someone believes that these people are out there on their own free will?)
Critical thinking - something that quite a few people need to apply to the mountains of conspiracy theories. Before they post them.
EPT
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