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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
January 21 2011 17:00 GMT
#81
On January 22 2011 01:59 mikeymoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 01:55 rotinegg wrote:
so my astronomy professor said that Betelgeuse is indeed very close to collapsing and creating a supernova... but a star's life spans across billions of years, and that "very close to collapsing" is a very relative term. This means it could happen anytime during the next thousand years, and we have no way of getting it down any more precisely

edit:: that was my astronomy professor from high school, and I am now a senior in college... it's been 5 years since he said that and Betelguse hasn't exploded yet so I have my reasons to believe that this has but the slightest chance of happening anytime soon. If you guys wanna see Betelguse, look up the Orion constellation (his belt should be an easy guide to finding him) and look at the top left star, and you can notice with your naked eye that it is alot redder than other stars in the sky

It's more or less random, isn't it? At least that's all I can recall from statistical mechanics.

yea it could happen tomorrow, or a thousand years from tomorrow
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
January 21 2011 17:20 GMT
#82
On January 22 2011 02:00 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 01:59 mikeymoo wrote:
On January 22 2011 01:55 rotinegg wrote:
so my astronomy professor said that Betelgeuse is indeed very close to collapsing and creating a supernova... but a star's life spans across billions of years, and that "very close to collapsing" is a very relative term. This means it could happen anytime during the next thousand years, and we have no way of getting it down any more precisely

edit:: that was my astronomy professor from high school, and I am now a senior in college... it's been 5 years since he said that and Betelguse hasn't exploded yet so I have my reasons to believe that this has but the slightest chance of happening anytime soon. If you guys wanna see Betelguse, look up the Orion constellation (his belt should be an easy guide to finding him) and look at the top left star, and you can notice with your naked eye that it is alot redder than other stars in the sky

It's more or less random, isn't it? At least that's all I can recall from statistical mechanics.

yea it could happen tomorrow, or a thousand years from tomorrow

The phases leading up to a supernova in current models are well defined: If we could actually look into the star, we would most likely have no problem to pin down the date of the actual explosion down to a small timeframe.

The problem is, that the actual information we get from stars other than the sun is very limited. Betelgeuze is one of the few stars that can actually be resolved by modern instruments. Still, what you can see is only the star's surface, and it can take a long time until the developments in the core actually influence the surface of the star.

The_Piper42
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States426 Posts
January 21 2011 17:21 GMT
#83
Somebody warn Zaphod and Ford!
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Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6226 Posts
January 21 2011 17:25 GMT
#84
I've been looking forward to witnessing a possible Betelgeuse supernova for years. The fact of the matter is that it could happen any time, but it could just as easily happen hundreds of years from now. It's unlikely we'll see it before we die, but man it would be cool.
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
January 21 2011 17:27 GMT
#85
2012 bullshit again lol. It actually may not happen even by the year 1002012.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
January 21 2011 17:59 GMT
#86
On January 22 2011 00:29 Mannequin wrote:
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On January 21 2011 17:59 Empyrean wrote:
On January 21 2011 17:58 Corvette wrote:
On January 21 2011 17:19 Empyrean wrote:
On January 21 2011 17:16 ZergOwaR wrote:
kinda cool
though even if we get light.. how much extra heat would this mean?
its pretty far away so most likely not much.. but its a thing to consider with all this global warming and all


None. We're going to experience an increased neutrino flux which is going to have virtually no physical effect on Earth.

And for any star to be able to affect global temperatures is an absolutely ridiculous notion.



any star? you mean like, it would be ridiculous for the one that i see out my window at noon to affect the global temperature of this planet?

i know people are saying that you are some sort of genius/wizard, but for stating such a simple fact your logic seems to be flawed

:/

in the instance that you still dont understand, the sun is a star that affects the global temperature


Sorry, I meant any star except for our sun.

EDIT: Don't be a douchebag.

Jesus christ, its like the fucking talking wikipedia over here. If you get proven wrong, does your head collapse on itself?


User was temp banned for this post.

Oh come on, Empyrean was right (and intelligent) in everything he said up to that point and then someone calls him out on a common sense error and then ALSO proceeds to tell him what the Sun is? He didn't get proven wrong, the guy was splitting hairs for the sake of argument unrelated to the topic at hand.

On-topic, it is disheartening to see more of this ridiculous astronomy/astrology based journalism lately that is completely baseless and exaggerated by shit reporters. On the other hand, it's always great to see people that know what's actually up spreading the wealth. I'm glad most people on here are ready to ask questions and clarify things about subjects that might be over their heads, albeit still interesting to them.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
January 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#87
On January 21 2011 17:36 Haemonculus wrote:
Woah. What do you think a few weeks of no darkness will do to the environment? That's got to screw with your circadian rhythm...

I wonder if any animals or plants would get screwed up by that? Like nocturnal hunters/scavengers might be in trouble, o.o;


The earth already experiences phases of 24 hour daylight, and 24 hour darkness for weeks on end way up in the northwest territories.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
January 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#88
Technically, since betelgeuse is estimated to be (650?) light years away, this would all be past tense. It would have had to already go supernova in 1362 for us to see it in 2012.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
January 21 2011 19:06 GMT
#89
Empyrean is extremely attached to this thread. I agree with him though.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32135 Posts
January 21 2011 19:11 GMT
#90
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 19:21:37
January 21 2011 19:19 GMT
#91
On January 21 2011 17:28 jstar wrote:
I would love to see a super nova, and then suddenly becoming dark again knowing that a black hole is formed. If it ends up being a super massive black hole, we're screwed right?


a super massive black hole cant form from a star, they form over millions of years as galaxies form. the heaviest objects naturally move to the center and slowly smaller blackholes and lage stars come together, the black holes merge and gobble up everything nearby until they become super massive.

Also when they talk about it going supernova in 2012, they mean that we would observe it then and it happened a long time ago. It could have already gone supernova a thousand years ago (its about 1300 light years away) and we wouldn't have a clue until the light reaches us.



When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
January 21 2011 19:22 GMT
#92
On January 22 2011 02:27 lololol wrote:
2012 bullshit again lol. It actually may not happen even by the year 1002012.


It won't last another 100,000 years. Its in the final phase of its life, it will go supermova (from out point of view) very soon. Maximum within a few thousand years, more likely very very soon.
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Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
January 21 2011 19:23 GMT
#93


In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium.....




I'd hate to tell the guys at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176204 that, lol.

That being said, a lot of this stuff is speculation considering that no one knows exactly when this sun will supernova or its effects on Earth lightyears away from us.
Stick a fork in those buns.
Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 19:30:15
January 21 2011 19:29 GMT
#94
In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium.....



I'd hate to tell the guys at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176204 that, lol.

That being said, a lot of this stuff is speculation considering that no one knows exactly when this sun will supernova or its effects on Earth lightyears away from us.[/QUOTE]

On January 22 2011 03:40 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 17:36 Haemonculus wrote:
Woah. What do you think a few weeks of no darkness will do to the environment? That's got to screw with your circadian rhythm...

I wonder if any animals or plants would get screwed up by that? Like nocturnal hunters/scavengers might be in trouble, o.o;


The earth already experiences phases of 24 hour daylight, and 24 hour darkness for weeks on end way up in the northwest territories.


Yes I find that interesting too. While the planet does have that 24 hour daylight in the areas closer to the polar regions, animals anywhere else, such as closer to the equator will probably not be used to this sort of thing...
Stick a fork in those buns.
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
January 21 2011 19:32 GMT
#95
The statistical probability of this is insanely low, there has never really been a scientific tracking of any stars going supernova before, so it's pretty hard to even estimate when(if) it will happen. And the month that it happens in (if it does happen) would dictate the effect of it.
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TymerA
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands759 Posts
January 21 2011 19:38 GMT
#96
What a wonderful time we live in =)

The first thing that came to my mind when i read the title was that the sun would somehow seperate its mass. God im dumb.
nice.
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
January 21 2011 19:47 GMT
#97
On January 22 2011 03:40 goiflin wrote:
Technically, since betelgeuse is estimated to be (650?) light years away, this would all be past tense. It would have had to already go supernova in 1362 for us to see it in 2012.


Holy shit, didnt even think about this...
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
January 21 2011 19:47 GMT
#98
I love the fact that people get excited over having no night. Over here we just call that the month of June.
politik
Profile Joined September 2010
409 Posts
January 21 2011 20:09 GMT
#99
All they know is that it will happen sometime in the next ~million years, so there probably won't even be humans left (on Earth at least) by the time it happens.
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 20:55:57
January 21 2011 20:55 GMT
#100
I'm glad people called BS on this so quickly and articulated the calling of BS much better than I could have.

Whoever put this article up probably only saw the words "Supernova, second sun, explosion and scientist" and boom, we have a story.

I mean it does sound like some exiting shit.
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