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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
I seen Gandalf in lotr and you aint Gandalf. You're a fraud. | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
Is the observation of betelgeuze losing mass actually an observation off the star itself or basicly from the light that we get from it (I have no idea how they actually measure those things). So let's say this happened a bit more then 600 years ago, it's actually possible (altough we would have to be incredibly lucky) to see this in 2012 or later. Or is this an observation of the star itself, and even if this happens in 2012 it will still take 600+ years for that light to reach earth? | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:37 Boonbag wrote: Empyerean please stop pretending you're a Wizard. Only Wizards Know that many things and you're obviously not a Wizard. I seen Gandalf in lotr and you aint Gandalf. You're a fraud. "Empyrerean" just strikes me as a like, ancient word for wizard/genius or something. So yeah, he probably does know everything. | ||
Empyrean
16950 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:37 Icx wrote: can you clarify this for me: Is the observation of betelgeuze losing mass actually an observation off the star itself or basicly from the light that we get from it (I have no idea how they actually measure those things). So let's say this happened a bit more then 600 years ago, it's actually possible (altough we would have to be incredibly lucky) to see this in 2012 or later. Or is this an observation of the star itself, and even if this happens in 2012 it will still take 600+ years for that light to reach earth? Think critically about this one for a second; light is currently the fastest known measurable speed. Unless we have a magic way to learn about distant objects - faster than the speed of light, then there's no way we can measure properties of distant objects faster than we would be able to observe radiation coming from it. | ||
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Empyrean
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:14 Empyrean wrote: EDIT: I'm not going to bother responding to any of this 2012 business either. Those of you who think something might actually happen are profoundly deluded. Not to derail the thread too much, but if too many people honestly believe something will happen then they may cause something to happen. Thankfully I believe that most people aren't that retarded. Edit: obviously people here can't cause a supernova there... should go without saying that when I say "cause something" I mean something a little more down to earth. | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
But for some reason when I read that betelgeuze is 640 lightyears from earth I didn't realize it would be close to impossible to actually measure it from that star itself. (well I may sound stupid again, but I guess even if they had the technology a long time ago, the thing used to measure (can't think of the english name atm) that would probably still be on it's way to there | ||
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Okmanl
United States4 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:08 numLoCK wrote: That would be interesting, but your source doesn't seem like something I'd believe in right away. If it were true, and it means that we won't have night, then that would cause serious problems for many species on the planet, wouldn't it? since it will only be for a couple of weeks, I personally doubt any species will go extinct, though there is that possibillity, but the most major problems I think will be cat-animals, bats, snakes and other nocturnal creatures, us humans and other non-nocturnal creatures will simply struggle a bit more with falling asleep (of course a major problem for some animals in and of itself). | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
Oh I did read that, for some reason I thought you and MageSoren were talking about something else. Fortunately Betelgeuse is a lot smaller than the kind of stars you need for those hypernovae. It still would be pretty sweet to see a nearby supernova though. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
http://news.discovery.com/space/dont-panic-betelgeuse-wont-explode-in-2012.html | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Empyrean
16950 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:47 Roblin wrote: since it will only be for a couple of weeks, I personally doubt any species will go extinct, though there is that possibillity, but the most major problems I think will be cat-animals, bats, snakes and other nocturnal creatures, us humans and other non-nocturnal creatures will simply struggle a bit more with falling asleep (of course a major problem for some animals in and of itself). At least try to read some of the thread before posting :/ Quite simply, nothing of the sort will ever happen. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:46 Icx wrote: yes you are right, that probably was a bit of a silly question. But for some reason when I read that betelgeuze is 640 lightyears from earth I didn't realize it would be close to impossible to actually measure it from that star itself. (well I may sound stupid again, but I guess even if they had the technology a long time ago, the thing used to measure (can't think of the english name atm) that would probably still be on it's way to there Any measuring device we have, no matter how far it is from earth, can only send a signal back to earth at the speed of light. And I'm pretty sure Voyager has not even left our solar system yet, so the point is pretty much moot regardless. | ||
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Xkalibert
United States1404 Posts
Did you guys know 1988 film Beetlejuice name is inspired by BETELGEUSE. "The star's unusual name inspired the 1988 film Beetlejuice, and script writer Michael McDowell was impressed at how many people made the connection. He added they had received a suggestion the sequel be named Sanduleak-69 202 after the former star of SN 1987A." | ||
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Okmanl
United States4 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4923 Posts
We can't even pinpoint the exact mass of BeteIgeuse at the moment let alone know what is going on inside the core of the star, i.e. the part that matters, other than that it has probably already ignited helium burning. | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
When I think about that sort of stuff I always forget things like that. @ MassHysteria I added your post to the OP | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On January 21 2011 17:39 Empyrean wrote: Think critically about this one for a second; light is currently the fastest known measurable speed. Unless we have a magic way to learn about distant objects - faster than the speed of light, then there's no way we can measure properties of distant objects faster than we would be able to observe radiation coming from it. essentially meaning: what we see is happening 600 lightyears away actually happened 600 years ago, it just took the light 600 years to come here and tell us. so when we say "that star 600 light years away will go supernova in about 2 years" that actually means "that star 600 light years away went supernova ≈598 years ago, but we will not be affected by it for another 2 years since the effects wont reach us until then" | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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