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`nevermoure`
United States34 Posts
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Liquid`Crystal
Canada398 Posts
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`nevermoure`
United States34 Posts
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Liquid`Spy
Netherlands1301 Posts
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
Not much though. Oh, and its not necessarily due or die, often cheese can hurt the enemy just enough that it evens the game up again. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
thats odd.. | ||
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`nevermoure`
United States34 Posts
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OrangeTerran
United States963 Posts
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juhhA
United States295 Posts
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AliuS.knAve
United States35 Posts
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C)R
Canada549 Posts
 I wouldn't exactly describe it as do or die cuz i think cheeze is only in the early game, some exceptions ofcourse. After a certain point anything is fair game cuz u had time to prepare/defend gainst it. How about lookin at it in a positive light? I know early game cheeze is annoying and i get burned sometimes 2, but it'll teach you not 2 underestimate/get lazy. I know it sux when you can easily of beaten this cheesor had the game lasted longer  | ||
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maz
Korea (North)62 Posts
So called cheese tactics work because people who sucumb to them take the risk of letting it work. Starcraft is about variety and different tactics. If every game was so called "non cheese" it would be exactly like BGH where you mass 100 hydras and attack move. When someone cannon rushes you, it teaches you to SCOUT effectively next time, instead of assuming the game is to be played exactly the same every game. Starcraft is about adapting to different situations not playing the same game over and over again. Mass dt drops in main works because terran assume protoss will play the standard ob goon range mass xpand game. Why make the assumption protoss should play the same game every time? If anything people who complain about cheese should belong in the same bracket as BGH complainers. They argue the same way. | ||
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`nevermoure`
United States34 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
if you cheese some of the time...it puts your opponent in the mindset that you COULD possibly cheese thus he will play much safer and in the event that you don't cheese you'll be much better off | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On January 25 2003 05:44 Rekruler wrote: if you win cause of cheese, its your opponents fault for wasting his time/losing cause he didn't play safe enough if you cheese some of the time...it puts your opponent in the mindset that you COULD possibly cheese thus he will play much safer and in the event that you don't cheese you'll be much better off woah, that was well said | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On January 25 2003 05:44 Rekruler wrote: if you win cause of cheese, its your opponents fault for wasting his time/losing cause he didn't play safe enough if you cheese some of the time...it puts your opponent in the mindset that you COULD possibly cheese thus he will play much safer and in the event that you don't cheese you'll be much better off actually u have to play just as safe as he does ~~~~ | ||
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LaptopLegacy
Netherlands602 Posts
 How do i make a link clickable on this forum? | ||
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PPV_Jimmy
United States641 Posts
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
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Stiff
Bulgaria49 Posts
I played cheese 6 drone pool on lt as a second game with a good gamer and when he saw the 6 lings coming he just left and told me he will never play with me again. WHY? Because he is not brave enough to use his 9+ probes to kill my lings? Not even mantioning the almost ready gate! After all i got only 5 drones at home so even if he loses 4-5 probes the game is even! So what's the big deal! Just play to the very end and don't complain! | ||
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Stim_Abuser
United States1277 Posts
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Imperium
United States614 Posts
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hum
Australia125 Posts
i think hovz is being a mofo for not detecting a cheese quick enough and he can not stop a 8 dt drop, could it be sadist was "playing" him? | ||
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Surv[CIA]
Belgium176 Posts
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`nevermoure`
United States34 Posts
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gho[st]
182 Posts
I know this definition can and does vary per person...but that is my personal definition of it. If ur curious...a more detailed definition of my opinion of "cheese" is below. the 6 pool or bunker rush that were mentioned....are so NOT cheese imo....those are strategies...and executing them effectively varies....it varies on how good u can pull it off...and on how good ur opponent is at stopping it...or countering it....which to me shows ones skill I mean..everyone starts with the same amount of money minerals and men (or are supposed to)...so what u do with that is up to u...u have to create or take advantage of ur opportunites to win one way or another....I mean is it not your goal to defeat your opponent? so if u think (or it just feels like) u can win the game, or get a mental or physical advantage from bunker rushing ur teching toss opponent...then I say u should do it...otherwise ur not taking advantage of your opportunites and just putting urself at a disadvantage imo...and if suceeding in it or countering it makes ur opponent run from playing u again or makes him curse u for months...then that to me is a sign of job well done....cuz he was ur "enemy" to begin with right? live, learn, and have fun doing it so anyhow...to the other side of the coin...in calling something cheesy...I'd be referring to either the game or the players...the players are easier to describe what I would mean (and are alot more plentiful)...to me its someone who vision hacks or uses a hack, or names the game FFA when really they are going to ally their friends or friends...or someone who hosts a game on a rigged map (which alot of times I actually join just to see how cheesy they are, and try to still win) But then if I was to call something about the game cheesy...thats harder to do....since the game (imo again) is a really solid game....but I think it can be said... Take regular Lost Temple for instance...I think that in comparison to Gamei, Neo etc, it is a cheesy map for a couple of reasons...at 12's natural and second natural....a terran player can not build a comsat station on his expoed cc's (well not in their original thought of to be positions)....and also a terran player can cliff-siege 3's gas at his main...and I think that is cheesy....mainly because no other race can do that | ||
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^Shadow_Blade^
United States11 Posts
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