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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On December 12 2010 03:22 Katkishka wrote: Is there any major difference between the DT990 32 ohm and 600 ohm models (assuming the latter has a decent amp to go with it)? They actually use about the same amount of power. The 600ohm version definitely sounds better though. My 600ohm works just fine out of an ipod or PC. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
Any suggestions for $100-$150 IEMs? I'll be listening to a lot of bass heavy music with the occasional rock thrown in there. Think Bullet for My Valentine for the rock and the bass heavy music is a mix of dubstep, trance and other things. One last question =X. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132006&cm_re=Xonar-_-29-132-006-_-Product Is this sound card good? Are there any other alternatives that are better for about the same price? | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On December 12 2010 08:36 Joementum wrote: Is there a proper way to break in a headset or headphones or should I just start using it straight out of the package? I've heard of people doing some crazy things like leaving it on all night playing a certain type of music and it helps the sound quality, but can't find any definitive answers. There's no science to breaking in headphones. Not even sure it exists. But it will do it all by itself or you accelerate the process by leaving it running overnight. It doesn't get hot or anything so it doesn't actually matter how you do it. | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On December 12 2010 08:43 Fyodor wrote: There's no science to breaking in headphones. Not even sure it exists. But it will do it all by itself or you accelerate the process by leaving it running overnight. It doesn't get hot or anything so it doesn't actually matter how you do it. Thanks :D. That's what I kept reading about. I'll just continue using them until they break in themselves I guess. I use them for 6-8 hours a day any way so they'll break in eventually. | ||
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FruitGG
United States73 Posts
On December 12 2010 08:36 Joementum wrote: Is there a proper way to break in a headset or headphones or should I just start using it straight out of the package? I've heard of people doing some crazy things like leaving it on all night playing a certain type of music and it helps the sound quality, but can't find any definitive answers. Any suggestions for $100-$150 IEMs? I'll be listening to a lot of bass heavy music with the occasional rock thrown in there. Think Bullet for My Valentine for the rock and the bass heavy music is a mix of dubstep, trance and other things. One last question =X. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132006&cm_re=Xonar-_-29-132-006-_-Product Is this sound card good? Are there any other alternatives that are better for about the same price? Burn in hasn't been proven... at least not yet. It varies on person to person. Some people say that the sound quality gets better when burned in and some of them say they don't. They also say that some IEMs take a longer time to burn in because of the different drivers (balanced armature , dynamic , moving armatures , etc). I burn in mine with pink and white noise. I often leave it on when i go to sleep and just listen to music when i finally feel like it. As i've said burn in just varies from person to person so just take this with a grain of salt. The monster turbines are pretty good if you're looking for bass and want to sacrifice some detail. As for my experience , the monster turbines have a really good bass response BUT sometimes , they're overpowered , you'll hear some bass in some songs that really doesn't need emphasis on it. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 12 2010 08:20 Fyodor wrote: They actually use about the same amount of power. The 600ohm version definitely sounds better though. My 600ohm works just fine out of an ipod or PC. Are you familiar with Beyerdynamic's official position on the differences between their DT 770, DT 880, and DT 990 models? (I am not.) IIRC they update the transducers every several years, but they don't list the new design as a different product. But for the same revision, aren't all the different impedance models supposed to be identical in all aspects other than the impedance? Of course, whether or not that is actually true may be up for debate. For reference, Beyer lists all the DT 990 models as 95 dB SPL given 1 mW of input power. If you assume that the impedance value is the only difference (ignoring for now whether or not that is true), you can go through a few trivial calculations and make the following claims: At a given output signal (voltage) level out of a source, the 32 ohms version should receive 600/32 = 18.75 times more power, as P = V^2/R. Thus, the sound pressure level (SPL) should be about 10log10(18.75) = 12.73 dB higher for the 32 ohms version. Humans perceive an increase of 10 dB SPL as being about twice as loud, so the 32 ohms version should sound a little over twice as loud. Even if the versions are not quite identical, we can still safely say in practice that the 600 ohms version compared to the 32 (and 250) ohms version will require (1) more voltage, (2) less current, but (3) the same power to produce the same volume. If your source has a very limited voltage output range, the 600 ohms version may clip where the 32 ohms version may not. If you want to listen to music very loud straight out of a portable player, the 600 ohms version is not a good idea. However, many people listen out of a portable player just fine, even with 600 ohms headphones. In practice, it is easier from an electronics standpoint to drive a 600 ohms load more accurately than a 32 ohms load with the proper equipment, which may make them sound better. Obviously impedance isn't all that matters, or 25 ohms Denons would sound like crap. edit2: not to mention IEMs too, lol. There may of course be other differences in reality between the versions. edit: about burn in...I don't know of a particular reason why that would help, but maybe it's true. However, it's definitely true that many headphones will objectively sound different after they have been used more, particularly closed headphones. This is because the position and seal of the ear cups can change over time. | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On December 12 2010 09:16 Myrmidon wrote: Are you familiar with Beyerdynamic's official position on the differences between their DT 770, DT 880, and DT 990 models? (I am not.) IIRC they update the transducers every several years, but they don't list the new design as a different product. But for the same revision, aren't all the different impedance models supposed to be identical in all aspects other than the impedance? Of course, whether or not that is actually true may be up for debate. For reference, Beyer lists all the DT 990 models as 95 dB SPL given 1 mW of input power. If you assume that the impedance value is the only difference (ignoring for now whether or not that is true), you can go through a few trivial calculations and make the following claims: At a given output signal (voltage) level out of a source, the 32 ohms version should receive 600/32 = 18.75 times more power, as P = V^2/R. Thus, the sound pressure level (SPL) should be about 10log10(18.75) = 12.73 dB higher for the 32 ohms version. Humans perceive an increase of 10 dB SPL as being about twice as loud, so the 32 ohms version should sound a little over twice as loud. Even if the versions are not quite identical, we can still safely say in practice that the 600 ohms version compared to the 32 (and 250) ohms version will require (1) more voltage, (2) less current, but (3) the same power to produce the same volume. If your source has a very limited voltage output range, the 600 ohms version may clip where the 32 ohms version may not. If you want to listen to music very loud straight out of a portable player, the 600 ohms version is not a good idea. However, many people listen out of a portable player just fine, even with 600 ohms headphones. In practice, it is easier from an electronics standpoint to drive a 600 ohms load more accurately than a 32 ohms load with the proper equipment, which may make them sound better. Obviously impedance isn't all that matters, or 25 ohms Denons would sound like crap. edit2: not to mention IEMs too, lol. There may of course be other differences in reality between the versions. edit: about burn in...I don't know of a particular reason why that would help, but maybe it's true. However, it's definitely true that many headphones will objectively sound different after they have been used more, particularly closed headphones. This is because the position and seal of the ear cups can change over time. Well I don't think you can possibly have different power ratings for a headphone without them being completely different. But they do call their 600ohm the "600ohm audiophile model". | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
IIRC when I was researching headphones for a previous purchase, I read that the three versions have the same design. People have opened up the cans and looked inside at the construction. It's apparently only the thickness of the coil that is different between the versions, which directly effects the impedance. Though actually, wouldn't that also have to do with how they are wound, and the number of windings? This explanation doesn't seem complete to me. That's an interesting point about the 600 ohm version being labeled as their audiophile model though. I would imagine that audiophiles would have the amplifiers to drive the 600 ohm version, and that might be all they mean by that. But it could be something else. Anyhow, if you look on headroom, different versions seem to behave very similarly according to their tests. Granted, their testing procedure isn't without holes or faults. It's really hard to position headphones the same way, so results may not be at all consistent. See for yourself: + Show Spoiler + Ignore the AD700 square wave responses being half out of phase obviously. Shift it by half a cycle mentally. I just included it to give a reference of something different. I think they've changed their testing procedure at least once, so some results are with the old procedure and some are with the new. The DT 880 models look even more similar actually. So...I dunno. | ||
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
On December 12 2010 03:09 Zeller wrote: I use these out of my pc, honestly like them better then Sennhesier 595s wait why did u pay 242 for them? you can find them easy for 100 | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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Krasso
Denmark74 Posts
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Cerotix
Canada121 Posts
I listen to alot a pretty wide variety of music, but the most reoccurring genres would be dubstep and metal. Been looking at westone 3s, super fi 10s or ie8s, I really like the iems for their isolation and their portability, but I am open to suggestions if any of you guys feel like I'm not considering a really good headphone. Price range is around 250-300, been looking to try to pick up a used pair on head-fi buy/sell lol | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
But like 1 week after I got them, somebody showed me these http://www.reloopdj.com/product_info.php/info/p475_Reloop-RHP-10-Cherry-Black.html and i was bummed. looking so good, with a more than awesome sound...and only 20 € more than my skullcandies, which are, in the end, only a oversized and colorfully painted piece of plastic crap shit. | ||
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FruitGG
United States73 Posts
On December 13 2010 03:30 Cerotix wrote: Anybody wanna give me a few tips? been thinking of picking up a new pair of iems for christmas. I've had a pair of ER4Ps and the ER6Is and both were pretty sweet, the Ps got stolen and the right bud in the Is died, so right now I'm using a pair of ipod headphones for when I'm on campus. I've got a pair of HD595s that I use at home, but I cant bring them into the lib or walk around with them too much because of how open they are, even tho they do sound amazing! I listen to alot a pretty wide variety of music, but the most reoccurring genres would be dubstep and metal. Been looking at westone 3s, super fi 10s or ie8s, I really like the iems for their isolation and their portability, but I am open to suggestions if any of you guys feel like I'm not considering a really good headphone. Price range is around 250-300, been looking to try to pick up a used pair on head-fi buy/sell lol Hm... If you like the HD 595's sound signature with more bass , you might like the Ortofon EQ-5. It's $249 with shipping @ Musica Acoustics. I have them so I can pretty much say that they're a bang for the buck , they're pretty good IEMs with balanced sound and superb isolation (iso is not as good as the Etymotics but better than most in its price range. Here's some pics that I took with my iPhone http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1229.snc4/156110_1447487667862_1253308026_30964896_4815199_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1203.snc4/155545_1447487467857_1253308026_30964895_507766_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1207.snc4/155982_1447487187850_1253308026_30964892_5312519_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155796_1447487027846_1253308026_30964891_2381854_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1209.snc4/156117_1447487267852_1253308026_30964893_5686023_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs589.ash2/154187_1447487867867_1253308026_30964897_1584000_n.jpg btw they're using the new moving armatures tech too. | ||
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Ursad0n
United States523 Posts
To give u some perspective I will not buy anything that requires me to buy an amp because I'm not a huge audiophile and don't need anything that expensive. I haven't had any headphones that weren't in-ear besides my microsoft lifechat MX3000 (which hurts my ears like a bitch) which is why I planned on getting decent headphones and a clip on or desktop mic. I was looking around on Amazon and Newegg at the reviews and the Prices and didn't find too too much because I don't know what I'm looking at. Ideally they won't be too big nor will they hurt my ears by being too small. I'd like them to be light and comfortable if possible. Oh, and closed ear. Any suggestions? I've seen the Sennheiser HD 202 at the moment that looks kinda like what I want, but I'd like the opinion of some of you guys because you seem to know best. :D | ||
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JJoNeEightY
United States509 Posts
Original Post: + Show Spoiler + I have considered myself a music lover for most of my life, and yet, I know next to nothing about quality sound. I seek to remedy this! I was given a pair of Bose Triport Headphones as a gift a few years ago and had been using them somewhat happily ever since (prior to these I had been using ipod earbuds and built in speakers.) I happened across this thread about a week ago, and after deciding that I might like to upgrade my hardware, some serious internet research led me to disturbing truths - little did I know that I had been unknowingly not hearing my music at anywhere near the quality it was recorded in and, additionally, being laughed at behind my back by anyone and everyone with any hi-fi knowledge whatsoever. I was appalled. So here I stand before you, seeking your advice: I would like to obtain the highest quality/value (quality divided by value) audio setup possible (with headphones). I have done a bit of poking around on review sites/amazon/head-fi but am still not sure what would best suit me. Here are some things that I think will help you to help me (if you are so inclined :D): -Most of my listening will be done on my home computer, which uses an Asus P6T mobo w/ onboard sound and the aforementioned Bose Triports. -I would also like the headphones/amp to be usable with a portable player. -I am a poor (only in currency!) 19 year old kid with only a part time job to fund these purchases - if I am going to be spending anything more than about $250 (U.S.D.), I will have to wait and save - something which I am more than willing to do, if the increase in price truly comes with that much more of an increase in quality. -I am not necessarily opposed to the idea of buying used equipment, however, I would feel somewhat uncomfortable making a purchase myself without someone more knowledgeable in these matters than myself to broker the deal and make sure I don't get ripped off! I think that covers just about everything (finally, he's done!) Thanks a lot for any help! EDIT: I have some new, more specific questions. I have decided upon Beyerdynamics DT880. When I go to Beyerdynamics' website, a pair of 600 ohm DT880s from MANUFAKTUR are listed at $377 (usd.) However, on amazon.com, they are listed at $249.99 (usd.) Can someone possibly be selling them that far under list price and be making a profit, or am I getting a different product here, possibly an older version or something? The technical specs are the same, and they appear to be the same 'phones in all of the photographs, but it still seems a bit fishy to me. Additionally, if anyone has any firsthand experience with these headphones, I'd love to know what you think of them. Also, I am up in the air as far as 250 ohm vs 600 ohm. Based on the reviews I've read, the 600s have higher, more natural sound quality, whereas the 250s have been described as being overly bright. Score: 600s 1, 250s 0. On the other hand, I've read that the 250s are more comfortable, especially over longer periods of time. Score: 600s 1, 250s 1. Anyone want to weigh in here? Going into this I was looking for the best sound quality possible, but now I'm feeling slightly uncomfortable (pun intended) about purchasing headphones that I might not want to wear for long periods of time. Also, amps - I am off to do some research on my own as to appropriate amps for these headphones, but if anyone has any suggestions there, I'd love to hear them as well. Thanks! | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
I come to thee with a humble request: I also need a new headset. -.- I am mostly going to be using it for gaming, but I wouldn't mind something compatible with my Samsung Galaxy S so that I could wear them around. Bear in mind I know nothing at all about headphones, headsets or anything like that. All my previous "headsets" have been random microphones and headphones stuck together that produced the shittiest sound quality. I have somewhat large ears, therefore something too tight-fitting will leave my ears sore. I would like said headset to be able to handle hard bass, since I mostly listen to hardstyle techno and eurodance. As for games I would be using it for LoL, SC2 and GW2 so nothing special is required there. Wireless would be good, otherwise with a moderately sturdy cable since I have a kitten who loves munching stuff he shouldn't be munching on. As long as the price is under 300$ anything will do honestly, but tbh I wouldn't mind a product that is durable other than functioning. And I need to be able to buy said headset on the internet, since I live in a third world country. So basically I am a total noob on anything regarding sound systems, so please don't scam me  Thanks in advance! | ||
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Sylafari
United States9 Posts
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Ravine
Australia15 Posts
For DJing i'm currently alternating between Allen & Heath XONE XD-53s (actually rebranded Audio Technica 700 Pros) for clubs and AKG K181DJs for bigger events. If you like bass, DJ headphones usually have more due to their closed nature. In fact those AKGs are some of the bassiest i've ever used. Also, I don't know why people love Grados/Alessandros so much. I got some MS1is and to be honest, they sound meh. | ||
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