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Tamehr
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xillmatic
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wei2coolman
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AsnSensation
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Horuku
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Myrmidon
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On December 14 2011 06:25 Honeybadger wrote: I'm wondering, would it be possible to convert the AD700's to a closed design by modifying the cage around the drivers? Not really. Keep in mind that the earcups still wouldn't seal with anybody's head, so they would still leak. In general, trying to mod open headphones into closed headphones (ones where that would work better) and vice versa, don't go that well. The headphones are designed a certain way, with the "default" acoustic coupling heavily in mind. Audio-Technica sells closed headphones models for a reason... On December 14 2011 06:26 Tamehr wrote: Hey, is the Fiio e7 + e9 combo better than the Fiio e10 itself ? thanks E10 supports 24-bit, 96 kHz whereas E7 only supports 16-bit, 48 kHz. 24-bit support is marginally useful if you want to use software volume control (OS or application), so you're not potentially heavily truncating 16-bit words by dialing down the volume, which is not good. 96 kHz is not really useful. E9 is more powerful than the E10, but more power than you need for your headphones at however loud you want to listen, is useless. The extra power of the E9 is really only going to be useful for outliers like 600 ohms Beyerdynamic headphones, if you listen relatively loud. E10 should be able to cover most everything including Sennheiser HD 6xx, AKG K701/601/501, all Audio-Technica and Denon, etc. One device being driven to 100% isn't necessarily struggling more than another device at 50% or 10%. E9 has higher output impedance, which is undesirable usually for driving some headphones, particularly lower-impedance onces, particularly if the impedance changes a lot over frequency (such as multi-balanced armature IEMs with crossovers, like high-end UltimateEars). But for those, you could disconnect the E9 and just use the E7, which does not have that problem. Difference in sound quality is up for debate, but I wouldn't expect huge differences. People think or thought the E6 sounds better than the older E5, but tests show they perform pretty similarly in general, with the E5 arguably better. E9 is bigger and more powerful, so people expect it to sound better, most likely. However, E10 is newer, and people expect the newer product to sound better as well. So who knows? On December 14 2011 07:16 wei2coolman wrote: I got some senn HD 280's, perhaps some of you guys can shed some light on this. But right now i'm using them for mostly just listening to music on my computer. is an amp worth it? and if so, any suggestions? (cheaper the better). No, not worth it. On December 14 2011 07:17 AsnSensation wrote: Are their any Headphones from 80-150€ that have those intangible cables like beats by dr dre or soul by ludacris but are actually recommendable soundwise? € for typos Maybe you have a typo. What would be an "intangible" cable? On December 14 2011 07:19 Horuku wrote: I'll be getting a pair of Sony-V6's when newegg gets them back in stock (if they ever do -.-). Best price/performance I've seen after a bit of research... MDR-V6 can be found plenty of other places. It's quite an oldschool popular studio headphone, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's what's best for you, even at that price. On December 14 2011 07:07 xillmatic wrote: Does Skullcandy count as mid-level? I had a pair of camo G.I.'s but the left ear piece broke off. Now i'm using Skullcandy ear buds, i forget what theyre called, maybe smokin' buds? I used to have some turtle beach p21s in my ps3 gaming days but sold them, may end up getting a gaming headset for my pc soon though. Any recommendations? Low / mid / high are all relative, but most would say not mid. I don't think this is a useful distinction though. How important is sound quality versus price, microphone adjustments, etc.? You may be looking for this thread; http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126262 | ||
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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
This is because the Fast Track has a better DAC, right? There's basically no specs that I can find on it. Pretty sure there's no amp in it either. Would be worth it to upgrade to something like the Xonar STX? (Or an external DAC/amp) The Fast Track also likes to give me loud crackling sounds occasionally and it scares the hell out of me, which is another reason I'm asking this. (When alt-tabbing back into Skyrim, for example) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I found these specs:+ Show Spoiler + Headphone output: Max Output (@ 32-ohms): -2 dBV (0.8 Vrms) Signal to Noise Ratio: -102dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted) Dynamic Range: 102dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted) THD + N: 0.0395%, 1kHz, -1dBFS @ 48kHz Frequency Response: -0.20/+0.05dB, 22Hz to 22kHz @ 48kHz Crosstalk: -80dB, 1kHz, channel-to-channel Output Impedance: Less than 1 ohm The line output has better specs, as you'd expect. Max Output: +2dBV (1.2 Vrms) Signal to Noise Ratio: -105dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted) Dynamic Range: 105dB @ 48kHz (A-weighted) THD + N: 0.0039%, 1kHz, -1dBFS @ 48kHz Frequency Response: -0.15/+0.03dB, 22Hz to 22kHz @ 48kHz Crosstalk: -100dB, 1kHz, channel-to-channel Output Impedance: 240 ohms 0.0395% THD+N isn't particularly good for any source, since that's probably some kind of best-case scenario. 0.0395% would be fairly good if that were into pretty much any actual headphones load. Regardless, although it's mediocre for a source, that's probably still better than top headphones perform in general. Crackling if alt-tabbing sounds like the system is too busy to send the DAC any data (blame poor drivers or Windows in general), so it runs out of data and starts outputting garbage in the meantime. | ||
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seiferoth10
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On December 14 2011 00:49 Juddas wrote: @seiferoth10 do you think there are any better options? Those just really don't seem all that great... and they aren't very sexy. Any good Sennheisers? For isolation, you really want to stick to the Beyer DT line as opposed to Senns. Here's some evidence of that: http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=6&graphID[]=713&graphID[]=563 Around the frequency of voices (~1000hz) the Beyers isolate 20db better than the Senns you have now. Yeah, I don't really like the look of the 770-Pros either. One way around it is to get the 770-Premiums 32 ohm, but we're talking like double the price here because those are quite hard to find, I can't even find a place with them in stock. Also, keep in mind the sound signature will be different. The 770s... don't roll off on bass like most headphones do and what most people expect, so that will be perceived as loads of bass, and the mids are more recessed. http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=713&graphID[]=563 On December 14 2011 07:17 AsnSensation wrote: Are their any Headphones from 80-150€ that have those intangible cables like beats by dr dre or soul by ludacris but are actually recommendable soundwise? € for typos I wasn't sure what you meant by intangible, so I looked up the picture and my best guess is you want cables that are detachable from the ear cup. There are cans like that around, I've only seen them on the extremely high end, but I think there's some in you price range, I'll get back to you on this. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:44 seiferoth10 wrote: For isolation, you really want to stick to the Beyer DT line as opposed to Senns. Here's some evidence of that: http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=6&graphID[]=713&graphID[]=563 Around the frequency of voices (~1000hz) the Beyers isolate 20db better than the Senns you have now. Do voices have that much upper harmonics? Most men can't even sing a fundamental frequency of 440 Hz (A above middle C), except for the falsetto range, or unless they're trained tenors or some baritones. So even the second harmonic of male voices should be well under 1000 Hz, not to mention speaking tones. Most women can't sing 880 Hz or so either, and normal speaking pitch should be well under that. On second thought, I'm probably underestimating the power from 's', 'p', 't', etc. sounds in actual speech as opposed to singing tones, which are probably more broadband and include higher frequencies. On December 14 2011 08:44 seiferoth10 wrote: I wasn't sure what you meant by intangible, so I looked up the picture and my best guess is you want cables that are detachable from the ear cup. There are cans like that around, I've only seen them on the extremely high end, but I think there's some in you price range, I'll get back to you on this. Shure SRH440 and SRH840 have detachable cable, as do AKG K240 (241 / 242 are equivalent barring pads/cable changes unless you're talking about vintage discontinued K240 models) and K271 (272 equivalent). edit: Fostex T50RP as well. I knew I was forgetting at least one popular headphone. I'm not aware of any others in that price range. | ||
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seiferoth10
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On December 14 2011 10:15 Myrmidon wrote: Do voices have that much upper harmonics? Most men can't even sing a fundamental frequency of 440 Hz (A above middle C), except for the falsetto range, or unless they're trained tenors or some baritones. So even the second harmonic of male voices should be well under 1000 Hz, not to mention speaking tones. Most women can't sing 880 Hz or so either, and normal speaking pitch should be well under that. On second thought, I'm probably underestimating the power from 's', 'p', 't', etc. sounds in actual speech as opposed to singing tones, which are probably more broadband and include higher frequencies. Yeah, the S sound is the real killer, although I may have overshot the typical vocal frequency range. | ||
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fatfail
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Juddas
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What is the difference between these two cans? Surely it can't be something worth 100$ MSRP... DT 770 Pro? DT 770 Pro-80? I am at a complete loss and it doesn't help that my internet isn't allowing me to properly load these web pages... Damn satellite with 1800 ping... From what I can tell the difference is in the amount of ohms, but unfortunately I don't exactly know what that means for headphone quality. ATH M50S? What about these guys I found during my research? ATH M50 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Impedance--in ohms--is a result of the design. It's largely uncorrelated with quality, except that consumer / cheaper headphones usually don't have high impedance (high-end headphones may be low or high impedance). I think there's some disagreement over the actual differences between the Beyerdynamic models. There's a Premium 32 ohms, Premium 250 ohms, Premium 600 ohms, Pro 80 ohms, Pro 250 ohms, and (Pro) M. The M is for extra clamping and isolation, like for drummers. People also claim like year 2003 edition Premium are different than other years and so on. There's also the typical sample variance between different headphones in each batch, that blur any small distinctions that may exist between models. If you check acoustic measurements of the DT880 Premium models here, you will find very small differences: http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-data-sheet-downloads Anyway, you want the Pro 80 ohms for volume concerns generally. | ||
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Juddas
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seiferoth10
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On December 14 2011 11:31 Juddas wrote: LoL too fast for my edit! thanks for clearing that up, and reccomending the 80s, saves a lot of hassle. Now what is the scoop on those audio technicas? General consensus is that they have a similar sound signature to the DT770s (their mids are a little more present, their bass is just a little rolled off on the end), they isolate just a little worse than the DTs. They're a little bit easier to drive. They're actually quite similar headphones. The big differences I can see: M50s are smaller = more portability compared to the big ass DTs. M50s have pleather ear pads = more uncomfortable in the long term versus the velours on the DTs. | ||
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Myrmidon
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Honeybadger
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On December 14 2011 08:44 seiferoth10 wrote: I wasn't sure what you meant by intangible, so I looked up the picture and my best guess is you want cables that are detachable from the ear cup. There are cans like that around, I've only seen them on the extremely high end, but I think there's some in you price range, I'll get back to you on this. many sennheiser cans have detachible hearcup cables. my old HD212 pro's do, and they're insanely rugged, also phenomenal sounding. Narrow soundstage, but incredibly rich, full sound. The only drawback i've found is that I have a "large" head (wear a large motorcycle helmet) and they're biaural, so they're "on the ear" and as such, REALLY hurt my head after a disappointingly short period of time (less than 2 hours.) But they're excellent portable cans (they're now my go-to portable headphones when I'm not taking my motorcycle anywhere, in which case I use my klipsch S4 IEM's under my helmet) and very affordable, you can still find them for ~$60 They're insanely durable, too, despite feeling cheap. I've had them for two years now, and run them over with my chair regularly, popped the earcups off and on (they're designed to break apart easily and pop back together, it's a brillant way to avoid damaging them.) and they sound just as good now as the day I bought them. They also don't require any form of amplification. Tons of bass, lots of deep, throaty mids and crisp highs (though the highs can actually be too crisp at times, and you might want to dial the highs back if you can via EQ. But it may just be me, as I'm very sensitive to highs.) They're easily my favorite portable cans ever. And the comfort thing might just be my head shape, or the fact that I just don't wear them enough to have properly broken the unfortunate headband in. One day I may just pull off the independent cans (as they're just too damn good to throw away) and build a headband for them. | ||
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