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England used to have a law on publishing it seemed, that someone could not publish books detailing, for example, how to make weed (or whatever). Some clever person found a way around this- he wrote how NOT to grow weed, how to NOT identify it, etc. People will always find a way around restrictions.
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On November 11 2010 15:49 Selkie wrote:
England used to have a law on publishing it seemed, that someone could not publish books detailing, for example, how to make weed (or whatever). Some clever person found a way around this- he wrote how NOT to grow weed, how to NOT identify it, etc. People will always find a way around restrictions.
That's actually hilarious.
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For fuck's sake, free speech means don't censor the material.
You can refuse to sell the damn thing.
Would you sell a book that was 500 pages of bigotry and hate with no real substance to it besides pure hate? Fuck no you wouldn't. Why is this different? Shit like this gets me mad.
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On November 11 2010 15:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:46 So no fek wrote:On November 11 2010 15:31 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:28 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 15:25 tbrown47 wrote:
Maybe, I guess. But sneaking kisses isn't having sex.
I was trying not to be too graphic. 8 year olds (both gay and straight) have sex with each other. It's not common but it's not so uncommon I'd consider it unusual either. Uh... 8 year olds having sex as far as I know is reaallllllyyyy unusual haha. That's nowhere near normal sexual experimentation at that age, haha. While certainly unusual, sexual experimentation at (or close to) that level does happen. I would have lost my virginity to my next door neighbor (who was two years older than me) at the age of 6-7, had I been able to get it up. I didn't necessarily understand the reasons for my actions at the time, but we had the access to the Spice channel and we both wanted to recreate what we saw. Sad story, really; I had an interest all through out my early life in her, and when we were younger, we did experiment quite a lot. I eventually moved away, and our meetings were infrequent. By the time I was 13 (and her 15), she was already bragging about sleeping with 20 somethings year olds, being able to get whatever she wanted. I actually have suspicions that her older brothers molested her, which was why she was so knowledgeable in our recreations, but this is becoming too depressing. Onto more normal scenarios for the young ones, have you never played Doctor? Same. Kids in the neighborhood would often fool around. It was based off of curiosity though, not lust.
It probably wasn't lust in my case, but it was certainly something more than curiosity. I was such a perverted little kid. D:
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On November 11 2010 15:42 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:40 Hanners wrote:
Actually, from the people I talk to regularly, most of them were exploring their sexuality before they were 10, myself included.
Also, you can't 100% quantify an age of consent when it comes to sex. Some people are understanding and ready at 10, some people still aren't ready for sex when they are 40. We just kind of made up an arbitrary age based off of hormones and puberty to dictate when it is legal (and even then, it's different dependent on your culture/country). I'm pretty sure you can quantify an age of consent in general. Have you ever tried to talk to an 8 year old about something even remotely complex? They are retarded. They aren't ready to say "I am in a relationship with this person, I will love him/her forever!" edit: /her
So you're presumption of a sexual interaction is that a "relationship" needs to be in place or a feeling of "love." Your experience is not everyone's experience. try to keep that in mind when making posts about how people are or should be.
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On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?
If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!
Clearly rape isn't sexual. I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children. When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong  That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it...
No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels.
Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions.
I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person.
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Pedophiles need a kick in the face. No matter how they disguise or characterize their behavior, the bottom line is that they are looking for a relationship that is neither reciprocated nor legitimate in any way. The case is that:
a) They cannot handle a mature lovers' relationship for some reason.
b) Children are much less independent and are more easily influenced than adults are.
c) Pedophiles project their frustration by convincing themselves that children will fill their need.
d) They convince themselves that children possess the maturity and mental age necessary for a healthy lovers' relationship.
e. Hence, they think that their relationship is legitimate and are no longer morally bounded.
Which is physiologically never, never the case.
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On November 11 2010 15:57 LunarC wrote:
Pedophiles need a kick in the face. No matter how they disguise or characterize their behavior, the bottom line is that they are looking for a relationship that is neither reciprocated nor legitimate in any way. The case is that:
a) They cannot handle a mature lovers' relationship for some reason.
b) Children are much less independent and are more easily influenced than adults are.
c) Pedophiles project their frustration by convincing themselves that children will fill their need.
d) They convince themselves that children possess the maturity and mental age necessary for a healthy lovers' relationship.
e. Hence, they think that their relationship is legitimate and are no longer morally bounded.
Which is physiologically never, never the case.
a, c, d, and e are untrue i can tell you that straight up right now
thoughts don't necessitate action. not every pedophile is looking for a relationship with your local 6 year old girl. not every pedophile is unable to function in a relationship with an adult or even unwilling to. this is all pure bullshit.
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On November 11 2010 15:53 SaetZero wrote:
For fuck's sake, free speech means don't censor the material.
You can refuse to sell the damn thing.
Would you sell a book that was 500 pages of bigotry and hate with no real substance to it besides pure hate? Fuck no you wouldn't. Why is this different? Shit like this gets me mad.
Last I checked Mein Kampf was still on sale on Amazon, so apparently the answer is "Fuck yes they would".
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On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?
If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!
Clearly rape isn't sexual. I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children. When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person.
Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime.
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On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?
If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!
Clearly rape isn't sexual. I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children. When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person.
No they don't. It's the societal morality that makes you a disgusting person.
Taking morality out of the equation, you're just a person.
The question you have now is "who's morality do you apply to yourself (or have applied to you)?"
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On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?
If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!
Clearly rape isn't sexual. I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children. When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person.
Have you ever considered that a pedophile might decide not to rape a 6 year old girl because they are good people and don't want to hurt another human being and NOT just because society says its wrong?
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On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children.
When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime.
Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to children other than "I am really really fucked in the head."
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I don't know if this is such a good thread for TL to have...
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On November 11 2010 16:00 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
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Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.
Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime. Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to other men other than "I am really really fucked in the head."
Don't sound so good now do you
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean one can create content that can potentially hurt others as a result of it. Especially when the information is geared to those who actually want to cause that hurt.
This is disgusting.
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On November 11 2010 16:00 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
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Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.
Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime. Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to children other than "I am really really fucked in the head."
Wow, I can use the same thought process to hate anyone and everyone I don't understand or agree with.
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On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?
If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!
Clearly rape isn't sexual. I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children. When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person.
I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do.
Edit: Just reread your post and saw that you didn't mention the perpetrator's moral standing. Well plus that into consideration then I'll stand on my point. It's too fucking late :/
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On November 11 2010 16:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:00 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.
It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.
You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime. Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to other men other than "I am really really fucked in the head." Don't sound so good now do you
Don't make me laugh. I certainly sound better than a fucking pedophile. I pride myself on not being irreparably disgusting on all possible levels, so yes. I sound fantastic.
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On November 11 2010 15:54 Hanners wrote:
So you're presumption of a sexual interaction is that a "relationship" needs to be in place or a feeling of "love." Your experience is not everyone's experience. try to keep that in mind when making posts about how people are or should be.
If there is no "relationship" taking place, then the adult is taking advantage of the child even more so, wouldn't you say?
I was inferring that a relationship had to take place because if there was no relationship then there would be no argument. The adult is taking advantage of the child, period. If the adult actually loves the child and wants to be faithful to the child... then I feel a lot less disgusted, because the adult actually loves the child. A one night stand with a child who is prepubescent and has no clue what is going on is fucking disgusting.
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