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You guys realize its all just a ploy by the police agencies to catch pedophiles right? There's obviously a tracking device/bug sewn into the binding of each book.
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On November 11 2010 16:00 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
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Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.
Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong  That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime. Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to children other than "I am really really fucked in the head."
It's really hard to argue with something so irrational.
People don't choose to be attracted to children... some wiring in their brain has gone wrong, and as long as they don't allow it to hurt other people, then they're doing nothing wrong, and people like you have no right to judge them so harshly for it.
I would agree that they're fucked in the head with respect to their pedophilia, and that it is disgusting to me. But that does not make them a terrible person, especially since it demonstrates a great amount of self-control to not act on your greatest sexual desire for your entire life.
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On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children.
When did I condone raping children? Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much. Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do.
I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught.
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On November 11 2010 16:04 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 16:00 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:58 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
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You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.
edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. Nope. Some people don't believe in thoughtcrime. Oh no. It's not illegal. It's just outright fucking disgusting, and all "afflicted" with such thoughts are terrible people. There's really no justifiable reason to be attracted to other men other than "I am really really fucked in the head." Don't sound so good now do you Don't make me laugh. I certainly sound better than a fucking pedophile. I pride myself on not being irreparably disgusting on all possible levels, so yes. I sound fantastic.
Again have you ever considered that a pedophile might not want to hurt children? You seem to think the only thing stopping every pedophile from going on a kidnapping rape spree is the law.
If you want to laugh at anything, why don't you laugh at that.
How fucking stupid it is to boil someones entire personality down to a single sexual preference that might not even be exclusive in the first place.
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On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
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Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.
Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught.
Whatever.
You're probably a troll, and if you're not, your arguments are so irrational and senseless that I'm not going to bother with you anymore anyway. I just don't even know how to respond.
Edit: removed comment that might get me a temp ban. sorry for letting myself go.
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On November 11 2010 16:07 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.
It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.
You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught. Whatever. You're probably a troll, and if you're not, your arguments are so irrational and senseless that I'm not going to bother with you anymore anyway. You're obviously just fucked up in the head.
I doubt he's trolling. Sadly there are a lot of people who think like this.
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On November 11 2010 16:05 Bac wrote:
You guys realize its all just a ploy by the police agencies to catch pedophiles right? There's obviously a tracking device/bug sewn into the binding of each book.
How do you sew something into an e-book? 
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On November 11 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:07 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
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You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.
edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught. Whatever. You're probably a troll, and if you're not, your arguments are so irrational and senseless that I'm not going to bother with you anymore anyway. You're obviously just fucked up in the head. I doubt he's trolling. Sadly there are a lot of people who think like this.
Get help.
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On November 11 2010 16:04 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:54 Hanners wrote:
So you're presumption of a sexual interaction is that a "relationship" needs to be in place or a feeling of "love." Your experience is not everyone's experience. try to keep that in mind when making posts about how people are or should be. If there is no "relationship" taking place, then the adult is taking advantage of the child even more so, wouldn't you say? I was inferring that a relationship had to take place because if there was no relationship then there would be no argument. The adult is taking advantage of the child, period. If the adult actually loves the child and wants to be faithful to the child... then I feel a lot less disgusted, because the adult actually loves the child. A one night stand with a child who is prepubescent and has no clue what is going on is fucking disgusting.
You're not giving the younger member in the interaction any credit.
I was very much interested in being shown sexual things before I had started puberty because I was curious. I typically wondered about my teachers, myself.
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On November 11 2010 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:07 matjlav wrote:On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
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You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.
edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught. Whatever. You're probably a troll, and if you're not, your arguments are so irrational and senseless that I'm not going to bother with you anymore anyway. You're obviously just fucked up in the head. I doubt he's trolling. Sadly there are a lot of people who think like this.
I'm pretty sure feelings like this largely stem from people's own moral insecurities. They need people like pedophiles to demonize and make themselves feel better about whatever skeletons they have in their closet. That's the vibe I get, anyway.
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Why would I read a book about love and pleasure from a wannabe playboy? Let alone from TL.
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On November 11 2010 16:13 Hanners wrote:
You're not giving the younger member in the interaction any credit.
Yeah, you are right... maybe after we willingly allow kids to have sex we can let them vote, smoke, drink alcohol. I mean we aren't giving them enough credit -.-
Kids are dumb.
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On November 11 2010 07:41 kataa wrote:
In previous threads I've spent alot of time defending free speech. However, in this case it's pretty inexcusable. Pedophilia is a crime in western society, and a book on how to execute it no more should be legal than a book on how to make a very nice nail bomb.
The book shouldn't be banned because of it's offensive content, Lolita is a perfectly fine novel. However, if the book does directly instruct people in how to commit a crime, then it should be banned.
Qft.
I mean really amazon? Its like they lack common sense.
At least now if I write I highly controversial book I know who will sell it.
Also lol at all the people defending paedophiles (whether they act on it or not). By their logic someone should be able to write a similar book about beastiality..
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On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
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Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.
Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was. Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists. It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act. You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught.
Pedophiles aren't morons dude. I'm sure they understand the reason why pedophilia action is harmful to the victim, but sexual attraction isn't something that you can just flip with logical reasoning. I mean could you just rationalize yourself to suddenly flip from fucking women to men? Or how about kids? They're trapped in a situation that they were simply unfortunate to be born into. You've got to give 'em some sympathy when you come at it from that angle.
Try to be a bit more open about the situation than just going straight for condemnation.
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On November 11 2010 16:17 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.
It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.
You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught. Pedophiles aren't morons dude. I'm sure they understand the reason why pedophilia action is harmful to the victim, but sexual attraction isn't something that you can just flip with logical reasoning. I mean could you just rationalize yourself to suddenly flip from fucking women to men? Or how about kids? They're trapped in a situation that they were simply unfortunate to be born into. You've got to give 'em some sympathy when you come at it from that angle. Try to be a bit more open about the situation than just going straight for condemnation.
no they're amoral psychopaths who only behave out of fear of societal retribution /sarcasm
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On November 11 2010 16:17 lvatural wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:05 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 16:03 lvatural wrote:On November 11 2010 15:56 Whiladan wrote:On November 11 2010 15:41 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 15:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.
It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.
You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence. edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles? Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children. Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do. Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it. Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong That people shouldn't be persecuted for their thoughts and feelings? Damn I'm edgy No I mean I understand your point - when I say it still feels wrong, it's because of my perception of it... No, it's not your perception of it. It's because the attraction of an adult to a non-adult is morally wrong on all levels. Think of it this way. I'm having a conversation with your grandfather (substitute grandfather for your 6 year old daughter). While talking with your grandfather (daughter), I am consumed with the desire to stick my knife (penis) inside him (her). The only thing that stops me is societal perceptions of right and wrong and the resulting repercussions of my actions. I might be a perfectly functional member of society, but my homicidal tendencies still make me a disgusting person. I'd disagree. IMO you'd actually be a pretty righteous persons to be able to stop your potentially murderous (pedophilia) act simply because you knew it was the morally wrong thing to do. I'd hardly call restraining your basic instincts that violate your higher moral principles as a disgusting thing to do. I would say seeking mental help is more righteous than not raping a kid because you're afraid of getting caught. Pedophiles aren't morons dude. I'm sure they understand the reason why pedophilia action is harmful to the victim, but sexual attraction isn't something that you can just flip with logical reasoning. I mean could you just rationalize yourself to suddenly flip from fucking women to men? Or how about kids? They're trapped in a situation that they were simply unfortunate to be born into. You've got to give 'em some sympathy when you come at it from that angle. Try to be a bit more open about the situation than just going straight for condemnation.
Extremely well said. Better than I could have argued with the guy.
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lmao. From what I've red so far, the conclusion is - "Buying this book makes you a potential sex criminal". You guys serious? How come you make a conclusion when you have no idea what the book is about.. I mean, a pedophile's guide?.. c'mon, a pedophile doesn't needs a guide of how to be a pedophile. I can't be sure either, but I am seriously doubting this book is a guide of how to score with a child. Yeah, the name isn't "Pedophile's Guide to Self-Redemption" either, but maybe it has some positive stuff that the pedophile could learn, which might slightly change his miserable life to better.
On the other side, the name of that book is making me lol so fucking hard. Really, if those were being sold everywhere, I'd totaly buy myself one and put it on the most apparent spot in my house everytime I have visitors and make sure they notice it.
"Dude.. the fuck is this?" and I'll be like "It's so fucking awesome! You should totaly read this one dude!" Then bend my face into the troll face.
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On November 11 2010 16:13 Hanners wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:04 tbrown47 wrote:On November 11 2010 15:54 Hanners wrote:
So you're presumption of a sexual interaction is that a "relationship" needs to be in place or a feeling of "love." Your experience is not everyone's experience. try to keep that in mind when making posts about how people are or should be. If there is no "relationship" taking place, then the adult is taking advantage of the child even more so, wouldn't you say? I was inferring that a relationship had to take place because if there was no relationship then there would be no argument. The adult is taking advantage of the child, period. If the adult actually loves the child and wants to be faithful to the child... then I feel a lot less disgusted, because the adult actually loves the child. A one night stand with a child who is prepubescent and has no clue what is going on is fucking disgusting. You're not giving the younger member in the interaction any credit. I was very much interested in being shown sexual things before I had started puberty because I was curious. I typically wondered about my teachers, myself.
I'm positive I was in 8th grade and I used to get raging hard-ons looking at my teachers tight breasts and ass. I pretty much knew what sex would look like if I were to get some and I would be the happiest guy at school if that teacher slipped my dick inside her for just a few seconds.
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Humans hilariously overcomplicate things, were all chemical by nature. The only thing differing between a "normal" persons sexual desires and a pedophiles is that there is something physically going wrong in their brains, they really can't help it. This however doesn't justify their actions, but humans also have the power to overcome their innate desires and a pedophile who suppresses their desires def deserves credit. Thoughts never hurt anyone.
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On November 11 2010 16:19 News wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 16:13 Hanners wrote:On November 11 2010 16:04 tbrown47 wrote:On November 11 2010 15:54 Hanners wrote:
So you're presumption of a sexual interaction is that a "relationship" needs to be in place or a feeling of "love." Your experience is not everyone's experience. try to keep that in mind when making posts about how people are or should be. If there is no "relationship" taking place, then the adult is taking advantage of the child even more so, wouldn't you say? I was inferring that a relationship had to take place because if there was no relationship then there would be no argument. The adult is taking advantage of the child, period. If the adult actually loves the child and wants to be faithful to the child... then I feel a lot less disgusted, because the adult actually loves the child. A one night stand with a child who is prepubescent and has no clue what is going on is fucking disgusting. You're not giving the younger member in the interaction any credit. I was very much interested in being shown sexual things before I had started puberty because I was curious. I typically wondered about my teachers, myself. I'm positive I was in 8th grade and I used to get raging hard-ons looking at my teachers tight breasts and ass. I pretty much knew what sex would look like if I were to get some and I would be the happiest guy at school if that teacher slipped my dick inside her for just a few seconds.
I bet you regret not coming on to her after you graduated from middle school.
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