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LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
November 11 2010 05:56 GMT
#441
Whats all this talk about free speech? Of course you can create a book and put whatever you like in that book. Thats a given and will never be taken away..

The fact that Amazon is aware they sell this book, and continue to sell it is the real issue. They can claim freedom from censorship as the reason, but thats only because at the end of the day they believe that it will help their bottom line by allowing this type of provocative book and others like it, be sold.

I for one, will never purchase anything off Amazon again because of this.
Live and Let Live
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
November 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#442
On November 11 2010 14:43 Whiladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?

If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!

Clearly rape isn't sexual.


I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children.

When did I condone raping children?


Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.

Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was.


Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.

It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.


You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.

edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles?


Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children.

Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do.

Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it.


Some opinions are best kept to yourself.


Uhh...

He's completely right. There are plenty of people with attractions to children that suppress their desires because they know it would be wrong to act on them. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't help what you think.

Honestly, as long as a pedophile isn't paying someone for child porn, then they're not reinforcing the system in any way. They might as well have something to get off to in order to try and keep themselves from resorting to the real deal. This branding of all pedophiles as evil is pretty cruel and wrong.

Imagine how difficult it is to grow up gay in America, where a growing minority of the population is seeking to legalize marriage equality for homosexuals. Then imagine how much exponentially more difficult it must be to go through the realization that you're a pedophile, which is no where near socially acceptable, and you probably will never be able to be sexually satisfied without breaking the law and losing all of your friends. I really pity the people that have been dealt that hand.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
November 11 2010 06:02 GMT
#443
On November 11 2010 14:56 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Whats all this talk about free speech? Of course you can create a book and put whatever you like in that book. Thats a given and will never be taken away..

The fact that Amazon is aware they sell this book, and continue to sell it is the real issue. They can claim freedom from censorship as the reason, but thats only because at the end of the day they believe that it will help their bottom line by allowing this type of provocative book and others like it, be sold.

I for one, will never purchase anything off Amazon again because of this.


They already took it down.
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
LaLLsc2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States502 Posts
November 11 2010 06:04 GMT
#444
On November 11 2010 15:02 Saturnize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 14:56 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Whats all this talk about free speech? Of course you can create a book and put whatever you like in that book. Thats a given and will never be taken away..

The fact that Amazon is aware they sell this book, and continue to sell it is the real issue. They can claim freedom from censorship as the reason, but thats only because at the end of the day they believe that it will help their bottom line by allowing this type of provocative book and others like it, be sold.

I for one, will never purchase anything off Amazon again because of this.


They already took it down.


Oh good thanks for the update.
Live and Let Live
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
November 11 2010 06:05 GMT
#445
On November 11 2010 15:02 matjlav wrote:
Uhh...

He's completely right. There are plenty of people with attractions to children that suppress their desires because they know it would be wrong to act on them. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't help what you think.

Honestly, as long as a pedophile isn't paying someone for child porn, then they're not reinforcing the system in any way. They might as well have something to get off to in order to try and keep themselves from resorting to the real deal. This branding of all pedophiles as evil is pretty cruel and wrong.

Imagine how difficult it is to grow up gay in America, where a growing minority of the population is seeking to legalize marriage equality for homosexuals. Then imagine how much exponentially more difficult it must be to go through the realization that you're a pedophile, which is no where near socially acceptable, and you probably will never be able to be sexually satisfied without breaking the law and losing all of your friends. I really pity the people that have been dealt that hand.


there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.
just here
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
November 11 2010 06:07 GMT
#446
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:02 matjlav wrote:
Uhh...

He's completely right. There are plenty of people with attractions to children that suppress their desires because they know it would be wrong to act on them. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't help what you think.

Honestly, as long as a pedophile isn't paying someone for child porn, then they're not reinforcing the system in any way. They might as well have something to get off to in order to try and keep themselves from resorting to the real deal. This branding of all pedophiles as evil is pretty cruel and wrong.

Imagine how difficult it is to grow up gay in America, where a growing minority of the population is seeking to legalize marriage equality for homosexuals. Then imagine how much exponentially more difficult it must be to go through the realization that you're a pedophile, which is no where near socially acceptable, and you probably will never be able to be sexually satisfied without breaking the law and losing all of your friends. I really pity the people that have been dealt that hand.


there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


No, when we're just talking about the presence of the feelings in a person's mind, there is not. (I assume you're saying there's a big moral difference.)
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 06:15:40
November 11 2010 06:12 GMT
#447
On November 11 2010 15:07 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


No, when we're just talking about the presence of the feelings in a person's mind, there is not. (I assume you're saying there's a big moral difference.)


Not just moral, logical as well. There is a reason you have to be 18 years old to vote, 16 to drive, etc. Because you aren't fully aware of whats going on when you are young enough to be seen as attractive by a pedophile. Kids don't know what they want. Whereas being gay is between two people who actually understand what is happening(well I guess there may be gay 8 year old couples? probably not).

edit:
Food for thought from me to me:

What happens when a kid that is in a relationship with a pedophile grows up? Does the pedophile all of the sudden feel attracted to non-children(maybe was always attracted to them?) and children now or does he move on to another kid? Either way sounds kinda bullshit to me, to be honest. It is just you taking advantage of the kid, IMO.
just here
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 06:15:33
November 11 2010 06:12 GMT
#448
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:02 matjlav wrote:
Uhh...

He's completely right. There are plenty of people with attractions to children that suppress their desires because they know it would be wrong to act on them. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't help what you think.

Honestly, as long as a pedophile isn't paying someone for child porn, then they're not reinforcing the system in any way. They might as well have something to get off to in order to try and keep themselves from resorting to the real deal. This branding of all pedophiles as evil is pretty cruel and wrong.

Imagine how difficult it is to grow up gay in America, where a growing minority of the population is seeking to legalize marriage equality for homosexuals. Then imagine how much exponentially more difficult it must be to go through the realization that you're a pedophile, which is no where near socially acceptable, and you probably will never be able to be sexually satisfied without breaking the law and losing all of your friends. I really pity the people that have been dealt that hand.


there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


Yeah, one is based on gender the other is based on age.
RIP Aaliyah
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
November 11 2010 06:13 GMT
#449
On November 11 2010 15:12 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:07 matjlav wrote:
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


No, when we're just talking about the presence of the feelings in a person's mind, there is not. (I assume you're saying there's a big moral difference.)


Not just moral, logical as well. There is a reason you have to be 18 years old to vote, 16 to drive, etc. Because you aren't fully aware of whats going on when you are young enough to be seen as attractive by a pedophile. Kids don't know what they want. Whereas being gay is between two people who actually understand what is happening(well I guess there may be gay 8 year old couples? probably not).


Kids never had boy/girl friends at your primary school? Of course there are gay 8 year old couples, just like there are straight 8 year old couples.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 06:17:26
November 11 2010 06:16 GMT
#450
On November 11 2010 15:12 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:07 matjlav wrote:
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


No, when we're just talking about the presence of the feelings in a person's mind, there is not. (I assume you're saying there's a big moral difference.)


Not just moral, logical as well. There is a reason you have to be 18 years old to vote, 16 to drive, etc. Because you aren't fully aware of whats going on when you are young enough to be seen as attractive by a pedophile. Kids don't know what they want. Whereas being gay is between two people who actually understand what is happening(well I guess there may be gay 8 year old couples? probably not).


I think you're missing my point. I am not talking about having sexual relationships with children. Pedophilia is a thought, not an action. You can't help what you're sexually attracted to. And if a pedophile does not act on his attractions, then he is not hurting anyone.

(Obviously the child porn industry is very harmful to children, but as far as I can tell, as long as a pedophilia doesn't pay someone for a film, then he's not actually supporting the system in any way. This is debatable and is aside from my main point anyway.)
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
November 11 2010 06:17 GMT
#451
On November 11 2010 15:13 Shakes wrote:
Kids never had boy/girl friends at your primary school? Of course there are gay 8 year old couples, just like there are straight 8 year old couples.


Actually, no there were no gay 8 year old couples in my pre-school.
just here
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 06:22:14
November 11 2010 06:20 GMT
#452
On November 11 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:
I think you're missing my point. I am not talking about having sexual relationships with children. Pedophilia is a thought, not an action. You can't help what you're sexually attracted to. And if a pedophile does not act on his attractions, then he is not hurting anyone.

(Obviously the child porn industry is very harmful to children, but as far as I can tell, as long as a pedophilia doesn't pay someone for a film, then he's not actually supporting the system in any way. This is debatable and is aside from my main point anyway.)


Of course it isn't hurting anyone, but the act of being gay(ie: sexually active) doesn't hurt anyone (except religious people). But acting on pedophilia can never be justified. We don't let (want) 8 year old kids have sex with other 8 year old kids, it isn't about the age, its about SEX. Even if I found it okay for a 18+ year old to be attracted to an 8 year old, I would never be okay with them having sex.

On November 11 2010 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:05 tbrown47 wrote:
there is a pretty big difference in pedophilia and being gay.


Yeah, one is based on gender the other is based on age.


There is a lot more difference than that.
just here
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
November 11 2010 06:21 GMT
#453
That's pretty fuckin' gross.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 11 2010 06:21 GMT
#454
On November 11 2010 15:17 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:13 Shakes wrote:
Kids never had boy/girl friends at your primary school? Of course there are gay 8 year old couples, just like there are straight 8 year old couples.


Actually, no there were no gay 8 year old couples in my pre-school.


Thats because kids just immitate what they see. Back then, where would a kid see or get the idea that it is even possible to have a homosexual relationship? As gay culture becomes more and more mainstream, i could see it happening.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 11 2010 06:21 GMT
#455
Taking it down is technically a violation of free speech but I would not go out of my way to try to bring it back up. There has to be a price for being too stupid or extreme.
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
November 11 2010 06:23 GMT
#456
On November 11 2010 15:21 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:17 tbrown47 wrote:
On November 11 2010 15:13 Shakes wrote:
Kids never had boy/girl friends at your primary school? Of course there are gay 8 year old couples, just like there are straight 8 year old couples.


Actually, no there were no gay 8 year old couples in my pre-school.


Thats because kids just immitate what they see. Back then, where would a kid see or get the idea that it is even possible to have a homosexual relationship? As gay culture becomes more and more mainstream, i could see it happening.


So kid's don't understand what they want, they just imitate what they see. Yeah, sounds about in line with my point.
just here
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
November 11 2010 06:23 GMT
#457
On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?

If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!

Clearly rape isn't sexual.


I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children.

When did I condone raping children?


Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.

Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was.


Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.

It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.


You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.

edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles?


Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children.

Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do.

Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it.

Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
November 11 2010 06:23 GMT
#458
On November 11 2010 15:20 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:16 matjlav wrote:
I think you're missing my point. I am not talking about having sexual relationships with children. Pedophilia is a thought, not an action. You can't help what you're sexually attracted to. And if a pedophile does not act on his attractions, then he is not hurting anyone.

(Obviously the child porn industry is very harmful to children, but as far as I can tell, as long as a pedophilia doesn't pay someone for a film, then he's not actually supporting the system in any way. This is debatable and is aside from my main point anyway.)


Of course it isn't hurting anyone, but the act of being gay(ie: sexually active) doesn't hurt anyone (except religious people). But acting on pedophilia can never be justified. We don't let (want) 8 year old kids have sex with other 8 year old kids, it isn't about the age, its about SEX. Even if I found it okay for a 18+ year old to be attracted to an 8 year old, I would never be okay with them having sex.


Okay, so we're in agreement.
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 06:26:38
November 11 2010 06:23 GMT
#459
On November 11 2010 15:17 tbrown47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 15:13 Shakes wrote:
Kids never had boy/girl friends at your primary school? Of course there are gay 8 year old couples, just like there are straight 8 year old couples.


Actually, no there were no gay 8 year old couples in my pre-school.


I didn't mean there were openly gay couples, I meant if straight kids are getting together and sneaking kisses behind the shelter sheds what makes you think the gay kids aren't too?

(Of course they probably didn't let you know about it, our societies propensity to beat the shit out of anyone perceived to be a "fag" means it has to be done on the sly)
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
November 11 2010 06:25 GMT
#460
On November 11 2010 15:23 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 14:00 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:25 MiniRoman wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 11 2010 13:10 MiniRoman wrote:
And that offers any sort of redemption in what way? The book offers guidance on how to avoid being caught while carrying on sexual interactions with children. You seriously gonna get into potential justifications for why the sexual assault occurs?

If you want to feel powerful over a child, offer them an icecream and hold it above your head. Wow you're so powerful. feel better? No? Might as well rape them, then I'll feel in control!

Clearly rape isn't sexual.


I'm not talking about the book. I'm just saying it's ignorant to assume all pedophiles are child molesters who want to hurt children.

When did I condone raping children?


Well you chose to ignore the reality of whats being discussed to argue about words. Any sort of sexual release from viewing children is just wrong. If a pedophile gets off to anything child-pornographic related then it reinforces a system in which I'm sure somewhere a kid was hurt for that end. Is that really something acceptable? Goes against my human nature. I'll accept ignorance and hold a prejudice against pedophiles, doesn't bother me so much.

Thanks for making that distinction between child molester and pedophile though, what a big deal it was.


Sorry, it's annoying when people try to brand the innocent as rapists.

It's doubly annoying when people accept willful ignorance to hate something they don't understand. Don't imply for a second you know how all pedophiles think or act.


You sound like an annoying pedophile to me. I don't consider any sexual act relating to children "innocent". They may not be rapists but that's not an act if innocence.

edit: so let me ask you, don't find anything sinister about the desires of pedophiles?


Not every pedophile is the same. I consider the desire and intent to molest a pre-pubescent child sinister and wrong. I do not consider it wrong to merely be attracted to children.

Thoughts and feelings don't harm children. Child molesters do.

Thoughts don't necessitate action. Go ahead and write me off as an annoying pedophile but at least understand something before you decide to hate it.

Pretty ballsy stance to take... And while I don't see any flaws in the argument, it still feels wrong


It's not ballsy at all. If you just think about the issue, then it's obvious that people that develop pedophilic attractions but don't act on them are not doing harm, and should not be seen as evil.
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