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On November 11 2010 11:16 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:11 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 11:11 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 11:08 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 08:45 VIB wrote:On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. " Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler + damn him for encouraging condom usage and discouraging child pornography? Damn him for outlining the steps and the "proper method" for raping prepubescent boys. 0/10 You're being ridiculously biased for the sake of your argument. No reasonable sane person I know of would read those quotes "use condoms with minors, but don't leave pics around because that can get you arrested" and interpret that as anything else but a guide of how to molest minors and get away with it.
i'm not being biased wtf? do you think pedophiles are going to pick up this book and be like "oh finally i get to learn how to molest kids and get away with it"? i've not given my opinion of whether i care for it to be on amazon or not, i was merely pointing out that 1) you have not actually read the book 2) you are assuming what the book is about.
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ykyk wrote:I dont see what the hubub is about, they never had any complaints about the last edition: ![[image loading]](http://catalog.lambertvillelibrary.org/texts/Church/bible/kjv/1611/resources/cover1.jpg)
I see your point, but nobody ever reads that book. It is mostly a doorstop.
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On November 11 2010 11:07 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:57 hefty wrote:On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... Yet, the excerpts I read in the OP and the link doesn't show that he is encouraging child molestation. So your aggressive defense seems to be without object? I could repeat that kind of rhetorics directed against your words : "OMG, no one of us condone the molestation of children, what does that have to do with anything?.." As for your personal experience. It's sad to hear such gruesome things are happening around you, and it is understandable if it affects your view on these matters. That doesn't mean that we can't have an intellectual debate in our ivory tower, because this is actually about principles, not pragmatism. There is a reason discussions/rulings of principles are attempted detached from personal emotions. Ahem. Please don't confuse yourself with the authorities who actually make decision/rulings, because those people while being detached from personal emotions also ideally have as complete an understanding of ground realities as is possible. And the latter half of the statement is where I will focus on because what I see in this thread is an overbearing preponderance of the former and a distressing lack of the latter. Btw, I'm chill as Tyler 'cos i've been hardened by all the stuff i've seen. Not saying thats a good thing but I have to be objective as a doctor and though it may seem apparent in my posts that I'm really emo about this, I actually am being very objective given the knowledge I have about this social evil. Heh.
Fair enough, any man speak from his experiences, but as we are having a discussion about principles, "you would all feel different if you had seen what I had", isn't really an argument. Of course you can't know if I would be of a different opinion had I been in your decision, but I understood the message and it is noted. Doesn't change my opinion on these matters though. Oh, and surely you knew I weren't implying I'm some sort of judge.
Glad to hear you're keeping your head cool on your duties.
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On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious 
I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book.
Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society.
Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males.
Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief.
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I noticed people mentioning the bible earlier got warned or banned.
The bible has A LOT to do with this discussion. The bible preaches sexism and racism. I wouldn't want Amazon to take the bible or the Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure yet nothing good could ever come out of any of those two books.
You can't take one book of the shelf without questioning whether other books should be taken down as well.
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On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief.
My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society.
A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant.
In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now.
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On November 11 2010 11:11 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:08 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 08:45 VIB wrote:On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. " Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler + damn him for encouraging condom usage and discouraging child pornography? Damn him for outlining the steps and the "proper method" for raping prepubescent boys.
Because rapists bother with condoms?
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On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me.
You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it.
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On November 11 2010 11:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief. My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society. A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant. In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now.
I would hazard to guess it is the result of children being recognized as individuals, not property. Only recently did people decide black people, women, and children were individuals and not property in western society.
Responsibility doesn't really make sense considering we are easier on children now than ever in the past.
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On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it.
Yeah, I'd be ok with it if I thought he had good intent. I'd be just as upset if she was manipulated by a guy her age for sex as I would be if she was manipulated by a middle aged man.
Because he is older he is incapable of having good intentions? That seems silly to me.
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On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it.
That is also an argument against a 14 year old not having a relationship with another 14 year old.
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On November 11 2010 11:27 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief. My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society. A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant. In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now. I would hazard to guess it is the result of children being recognized as individuals, not property. Only recently did people decide black people, women, and children were individuals and not property in western society. Responsibility doesn't really make sense considering we are easier on children now than ever in the past.
That makes just as much sense I suppose. But I suppose if they were recognized as individuals adolescents would have the freedom to make their own decisions regarding sexuality? A pre-pubescent child is physically unready for sex. A girl of around 13-14 is and I don't see why they should be barred from it.
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On November 11 2010 11:28 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it. That is also an argument against a 14 year old not having a relationship with another 14 year old.
"and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it"
I think that hints at excluding equally undeveloped people, personally.
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On November 11 2010 11:28 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it. That is also an argument against a 14 year old not having a relationship with another 14 year old.
How is that relevant? Stop derailing. I don't support under-age sex either. I also feel that an older aged person obv can seduce a child much easier than someone of the sameage.
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Even if i don't agree with the topic I still think this book shouldn't be banned. Pedophile does not equal child molester, Even then, what if the child wants to be in the relationship? If some 14 year old boy was having sex with a hot 21 year old that would be child molestation even if he wanted it.
On November 11 2010 09:41 Brandish wrote:
I bought it and looked over it just for kicks and nothing in it condones sexual activities with minors, the book actually encourages pedophiles to not engage in any sexual activities with minors, and to control themselves
Don't know why this post was skipped over.
A lot of people seem to be stating that the book is encouraging sexual activities with minors but probably not have even read the book.
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On November 11 2010 11:29 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:28 XeliN wrote:On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it. That is also an argument against a 14 year old not having a relationship with another 14 year old. "and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it" I think that hints at excluding equally undeveloped people, personally.
The the point only stands if he is saying that someone of 30 will, in every instance "misuse" in the way he meant.
Otherwise Dr's point stands that it is dependant on the type of person, and his intentions as to whether he would approve.
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On November 11 2010 11:30 KillaRM wrote:
If some 14 year old boy was having sex with a hot 21 year old that would be child molestation even if he wanted it.
No.. that's not child molestation that is statutory rape. Child molestation involves a prepubescent child.
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On November 11 2010 11:31 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:29 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 11:28 XeliN wrote:On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it. That is also an argument against a 14 year old not having a relationship with another 14 year old. "and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it" I think that hints at excluding equally undeveloped people, personally. The the point only stands if he is saying that someone of 30 will, in every instance "misuse" in the way he meant. Otherwise Dr's point stands that it is dependant on the type of person, and his intentions as to whether he would approve.
Yeah, all I'm saying is I'm not going to write someone off for their age but for their character.
I'm also not going to tell my sister who she can and can't date. I don't believe in that kind of protectionism in the first place. I think it makes women weak.
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On November 11 2010 11:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief. My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society. A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant. In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now.
It's quite the opposite really, responsibilities on teens have greatly diminished, in the old days children worked in their early teens, these days you're expected to be stuck in school until you're in your early 20s. If anything it's the way we treat people as children for longer in terms of their responsibilities that has lead to us treating teenagers as children rather than adults sexually.
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