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On November 11 2010 11:16 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:07 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't.  Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions. You were doing pretty good until this. Implying the other person of being a pedophile and implying they should have been aborted is pretty much the lowest you could possibly go. I think people can be aborted for numerous reasons, including issues I have. That is not to say you shouldn't try again for a better combination, pedophiles are not a specifically dark place in my heart. I don't support abortion of birthed humans in any way, shape, or form! It will still be nice to not have scoliosis, poor eyesight, and depression run in the family. I'm enthusiastic about the possibilities I will have when I have children, provided the technology is better. I'll admit I timed the comment for effect. My other implication is strikingly accurate. I don't deserve a pat on the back though, it is so transparent a lesser monkey could figure it out.
I really don't like your stance on abortion, but that is completely another matter.
But as it seems you believe abortion could help you get rid of pedophiles, I'd like to point out that it is extremely unlikely that a "trait" like that could ever be contributed to a biological predisposition. Also, you seem to think that pedophilia is a mental illness. To my knowledge of psychology it is not, and a few searches supported my understanding. One example: http://www.springerlink.com/content/r3n76k01026v7j58/fulltext.pdf
On November 11 2010 11:14 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:11 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 11:11 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 11:08 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 08:45 VIB wrote:On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. " Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler + damn him for encouraging condom usage and discouraging child pornography? Damn him for outlining the steps and the "proper method" for raping prepubescent boys. 0/10 But that is precisely what he is doing? I also think you violated 2 or 3 of the TL commandments with that post.
You haven't yet understood that no one of us knows if he actually condones raping? The excerpts do not show that he does - the hinted sexual activity could be with a free-willing youth (yes, I know it is still a controversial subject).
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On November 11 2010 11:34 Shakes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious  I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief. My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society. A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant. In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now. It's quite the opposite really, responsibilities on teens have greatly diminished, in the old days children worked in their early teens, these days you're expected to be stuck in school until you're in your early 20s. If anything it's the way we treat people as children for longer in terms of their responsibilities that has lead to us treating teenagers as children rather than adults sexually.
Fair enough. My understanding is that in older societies young girls were expected to do little than become wives as soon as they could have children.
I wasn't really thinking about boys at all, since I am not a pederast but it's my bad for not considering the whole picture.
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On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity.
Someone who actually read the book said it told pedophiles not to molest children but to conduct their lives safely and positively.
That's an abomination how?
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On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity.
Could you explain your reasoning here? How is anyone but the author, publisher and purchaser responsible?
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On November 11 2010 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:27 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 11:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:23 red_b wrote:On November 11 2010 11:21 XeliN wrote:I hope your not banned for that, I found it hilarious I actually happen to be a christian, and Ive actually read the book. Im sorry, but historical perspective on the age of sexual maturity is not in line with modern society. The Bible, the Quaran, and the Torah all have accounts of taking wives as young as VERY early teens, including the 12-13 year old range, which without a doubt is pedophilia in today's society. Additionally, the greek page system that everyone makes fun of involved very young boys involved in sexual relationships with adult males. Im not insulting anyone's faith; it's just a book, not your belief. My opinion is that societies attitudes on child/adolescent sexuality have changed largely due to the increased responsibility on children. All children, including females, are expected to receive an education, get a job, have families of their own, and become a part of society. A 12 year old girl will be hard pressed to make it through middle school if she is married or pregnant. In countries where this is not the case child prostitution and early marriages are quite common. I don't think this means young adolescents can not have sex or that is wrong for them to do so, but it's rarely a good choice for the society we live in now. I would hazard to guess it is the result of children being recognized as individuals, not property. Only recently did people decide black people, women, and children were individuals and not property in western society. Responsibility doesn't really make sense considering we are easier on children now than ever in the past. That makes just as much sense I suppose. But I suppose if they were recognized as individuals adolescents would have the freedom to make their own decisions regarding sexuality? A pre-pubescent child is physically unready for sex. A girl of around 13-14 is and I don't see why they should be barred from it.
People will always be mistrusting of situations where one person has power, authority, and knowledge and another one doesn't (As an anarchist I must say, they should be mistrusting). That is aside from the obvious issue of children being not physically\emotionally developed.
You are right that childhood is enforced by society and children are often protected and shielded from harsh reality\sex\violence\whatever it is. I do not think that is a bad thing at all, given the amount of people willing to harm or mislead defenseless children if their parents or the law weren't on their side. Children have many protections adults do not have legally too (unable to sign binding contracts, etc). Again, not a bad thing that a child cannot sign a contract to be a slave for their entire life or some such thing a person might try to get them to sign.
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On November 11 2010 11:19 sikyon wrote:
While I don't personally condone this type of activity in any way... I support Amazon's decision to carry the book.
When should certain views be censored? If sodomy is illegal, should books that are pro-homosexuality be banned? I seem to recall that people tried to ban the Anarchist Cookbook but that failed as well. The censorship of knowledge is the path which leads away from freedom and democracy.
So if I write a book that talks about how to kill the presidentl; possesing both racism and anti-islamic ideologies and that there should be a mass genocide that parallels that of the holocaust, you wouldn't condemn it? You think that people should be able to purchase it? Exactly, that is what I thought. The secret service sure as hell wouldn't think twice about deleting any evidence of the book and making the author "disappear". Freedom of speech is very important in democratic societies, however, there is an extent when freedom of speech is taken too far, which, in this case it has. Writing a book about breaking the law should in-itself be breaking the law, however, with twisted ideals it isn't - too lazy to make an analogy that is simple-minded enough for you.
P.S. once this hits national news, I would be money that the ACLU will be quick to try and defend the author of the book.
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On November 11 2010 11:39 g50000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:19 sikyon wrote:
While I don't personally condone this type of activity in any way... I support Amazon's decision to carry the book.
When should certain views be censored? If sodomy is illegal, should books that are pro-homosexuality be banned? I seem to recall that people tried to ban the Anarchist Cookbook but that failed as well. The censorship of knowledge is the path which leads away from freedom and democracy. So if I write a book that talks about how to kill the presidentl; possesing both racism and anti-islamic ideologies and that there should be a mass genocide that parallels that of the holocaust, you wouldn't condemn it? You think that people should be able to purchase it? Exactly, that is what I thought. The secret service sure as hell wouldn't think twice about deleting any evidence of the book and making the author "disappear". Freedom of speech is very important in democratic societies, however, there is an extent when freedom of speech is taken too far, which, in this case it has. Writing a book about breaking the law should in-itself be breaking the law, however, with twisted ideals it isn't - too lazy to make an analogy that is simple-minded enough for you. P.S. once this hits national news, I would be money that the ACLU will be quick to try and defend the author of the book.
Didn't somebody who actually read it JUST say the book doesn't condone or provide instructions on the molestation of children?
I hope the ACLU sticks up for the author. Someone has to oppose mindless hate against innocent pedophiles.
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On November 11 2010 11:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity. Someone who actually read the book said it told pedophiles not to molest children but to conduct their lives safely and positively. That's an abomination how?
Substantiate that claim or shut up. The excerpts, title, author's note, author's comments, and responses on amazon all point to the fact that this book is a GUIDE on how to have sex with children and lead a safe life as a pedophile. The fucking blurb is talking about how to use finger coits on boys below age 13 in order to have "safe" rape with them.
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On November 11 2010 11:41 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity. Someone who actually read the book said it told pedophiles not to molest children but to conduct their lives safely and positively. That's an abomination how? Substantiate that claim or shut up. The excerpts, title, author's note, author's comments, and responses on amazon all point to the fact that this book is a GUIDE on how to have sex with children and lead a safe life as a pedophile. The fucking blurb is talking about how to use finger coits on boys below age 13 in order to have "safe" rape with them.
On November 11 2010 11:30 KillaRM wrote:Even if i don't agree with the topic I still think this book shouldn't be banned. Pedophile does not equal child molester, Even then, what if the child wants to be in the relationship? If some 14 year old boy was having sex with a hot 21 year old that would be child molestation even if he wanted it. Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 09:41 Brandish wrote:
I bought it and looked over it just for kicks and nothing in it condones sexual activities with minors, the book actually encourages pedophiles to not engage in any sexual activities with minors, and to control themselves Don't know why this post was skipped over. A lot of people seem to be stating that the book is encouraging sexual activities with minors but probably not have even read the book.
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On November 11 2010 11:35 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:16 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 11:07 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions. You were doing pretty good until this. Implying the other person of being a pedophile and implying they should have been aborted is pretty much the lowest you could possibly go. I think people can be aborted for numerous reasons, including issues I have. That is not to say you shouldn't try again for a better combination, pedophiles are not a specifically dark place in my heart. I don't support abortion of birthed humans in any way, shape, or form! It will still be nice to not have scoliosis, poor eyesight, and depression run in the family. I'm enthusiastic about the possibilities I will have when I have children, provided the technology is better. I'll admit I timed the comment for effect. My other implication is strikingly accurate. I don't deserve a pat on the back though, it is so transparent a lesser monkey could figure it out. I really don't like your stance on abortion, but that is completely another matter. But as it seems you believe abortion could help you get rid of pedophiles, I'd like to point out that it is extremely unlikely that a "trait" like that could ever be contributed to a biological predisposition. Also, you seem to think that pedophilia is a mental illness. To my knowledge of psychology it is not, and a few searches supported my understanding. One example: http://www.springerlink.com/content/r3n76k01026v7j58/fulltext.pdfShow nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:14 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 11:11 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 11:11 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 11:08 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 08:45 VIB wrote:On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. " Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler + damn him for encouraging condom usage and discouraging child pornography? Damn him for outlining the steps and the "proper method" for raping prepubescent boys. 0/10 But that is precisely what he is doing? I also think you violated 2 or 3 of the TL commandments with that post. You haven't yet understood that no one of us knows if he actually condones raping? The excerpts do not show that he does - the hinted sexual activity could be with a free-willing youth (yes, I know it is still a controversial subject).
Pedophilia has been linked with brain structures in more ways than one and can easily be found on pubmed.
Whether or not these will ever been strongly correlated enough to make decisions in early months of pregnancy is yet to be seen. We can only hope, eh?
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On November 11 2010 11:35 hefty wrote:
You haven't yet understood that no one of us knows if he actually condones raping? The excerpts do not show that he does - the hinted sexual activity could be with a free-willing youth (yes, I know it is still a controversial subject).
Sex with a prepubescent child is considered rape; they cannot give consent.
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On November 11 2010 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:41 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 11:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity. Someone who actually read the book said it told pedophiles not to molest children but to conduct their lives safely and positively. That's an abomination how? Substantiate that claim or shut up. The excerpts, title, author's note, author's comments, and responses on amazon all point to the fact that this book is a GUIDE on how to have sex with children and lead a safe life as a pedophile. The fucking blurb is talking about how to use finger coits on boys below age 13 in order to have "safe" rape with them. Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:30 KillaRM wrote:Even if i don't agree with the topic I still think this book shouldn't be banned. Pedophile does not equal child molester, Even then, what if the child wants to be in the relationship? If some 14 year old boy was having sex with a hot 21 year old that would be child molestation even if he wanted it. On November 11 2010 09:41 Brandish wrote:
I bought it and looked over it just for kicks and nothing in it condones sexual activities with minors, the book actually encourages pedophiles to not engage in any sexual activities with minors, and to control themselves Don't know why this post was skipped over. A lot of people seem to be stating that the book is encouraging sexual activities with minors but probably not have even read the book. That goes 100% against the direct quote from the book:
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I didn't read the book, I was merely quoting someone who claimed to. In that case I redact my statement.
I can't support sex with prepubescent children.
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On November 11 2010 11:41 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:34 Barrin wrote:Is the author just exercising his free speech and doing nothing negative to our society? These things are far from mutually inclusive. All parties involved (Author, Amazon, Government) are responsible for this atrocity. Someone who actually read the book said it told pedophiles not to molest children but to conduct their lives safely and positively. That's an abomination how? Substantiate that claim or shut up. The excerpts, title, author's note, author's comments, and responses on amazon all point to the fact that this book is a GUIDE on how to have sex with children and lead a safe life as a pedophile. The fucking blurb is talking about how to use finger coits on boys below age 13 in order to have "safe" rape with them.
So you dislike the book because you feel children being raped AND getting an STD would make the world a better place?
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On November 11 2010 11:26 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that... The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me. You'd be fine if a middle-aged man got it on with your sister. Dude, are you for real? Please don't troll on me. The problem is NOT with the man for crying out loud its with the age of your sister that tells us that however much we might have progressed in todays world, at the age of 14 you are still not mature enuff to make a balanced decision and are very susceptible to being misused by people who will do it.
You could repeat that concern if the boyfriend was instead 16. You are just discriminating based on age. Not saying you can't do that, I would probably be more inclined to object to her choice in this situation than if the boyfriend was actually 16, but realize that discrimination based on assumptions/prejudice is what it is.
I knew a couple who were 14 and 21. I found it odd, very odd, but knowing both of them quite well I couldn't honestly say they were bad for each other. Sure, I don't know if they had sex, but I don't find it that important in that case anyway.
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On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that...
yes, i encourage people to read the author responds section above. the author is a genuine sicko, and also cannot spell well.
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On November 11 2010 11:30 KillaRM wrote:Even if i don't agree with the topic I still think this book shouldn't be banned. Pedophile does not equal child molester, Even then, what if the child wants to be in the relationship? If some 14 year old boy was having sex with a hot 21 year old that would be child molestation even if he wanted it. Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 09:41 Brandish wrote:
I bought it and looked over it just for kicks and nothing in it condones sexual activities with minors, the book actually encourages pedophiles to not engage in any sexual activities with minors, and to control themselves Don't know why this post was skipped over. A lot of people seem to be stating that the book is encouraging sexual activities with minors but probably not have even read the book.
Thank you very much for quoting that!
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On November 11 2010 10:59 tbrown47 wrote:
I hate people.
Still feel pretty much the same way
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On November 11 2010 11:39 g50000 wrote:
So if I write a book that talks about how to kill the presidentl; possesing both racism and anti-islamic ideologies and that there should be a mass genocide that parallels that of the holocaust, you wouldn't condemn it? You think that people should be able to purchase it? Exactly, that is what I thought. The secret service sure as hell wouldn't think twice about deleting any evidence of the book and making the author "disappear". Freedom of speech is very important in democratic societies, however, there is an extent when freedom of speech is taken too far, which, in this case it has. Writing a book about breaking the law should in-itself be breaking the law, however, with twisted ideals it isn't - too lazy to make an analogy that is simple-minded enough for you.
P.S. once this hits national news, I would be money that the ACLU will be quick to try and defend the author of the book.
Oh boy, here we go. Firstly you mention the President practically by name here, since in the context of "President" and "racism and anti-islamic ideologies" anyone can see who you're referring to. This comparison falters at this point first because this book does not refer to any individual child.
Comparison falters at the second part where your book would apparently say that there "should be a mass genocide that parallels that of the holocaust", that's clearly inciting harm, violence, genocide, and who knows what else. Can you prove that this book is inciting child molestation, or if that's even just the intent of the author? If you intend to censor this book the onus is on you to prove that.
Writing a book about breaking the law should definitely not be breaking the law, that's incredibly stupid. You're basically stating it should be illegal then to write dime store crime noir novels.
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On November 11 2010 11:39 g50000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:19 sikyon wrote:
While I don't personally condone this type of activity in any way... I support Amazon's decision to carry the book.
When should certain views be censored? If sodomy is illegal, should books that are pro-homosexuality be banned? I seem to recall that people tried to ban the Anarchist Cookbook but that failed as well. The censorship of knowledge is the path which leads away from freedom and democracy. So if I write a book that talks about how to kill the presidentl; possesing both racism and anti-islamic ideologies and that there should be a mass genocide that parallels that of the holocaust, you wouldn't condemn it? You think that people should be able to purchase it? Exactly, that is what I thought. The secret service sure as hell wouldn't think twice about deleting any evidence of the book and making the author "disappear". Freedom of speech is very important in democratic societies, however, there is an extent when freedom of speech is taken too far, which, in this case it has. Writing a book about breaking the law should in-itself be breaking the law, however, with twisted ideals it isn't - too lazy to make an analogy that is simple-minded enough for you. P.S. once this hits national news, I would be money that the ACLU will be quick to try and defend the author of the book.
Yes, I think people would be able to purchase it. No, I don't think the secret service, even if they wanted to, would make the person dissapear because the result of publishing such a book would be that the media would notice if the author dissapeared. At most they might show up and talk to the guy and find out how he knew all this stuff or interview him to see if he was actually a threat.
Let me ask you this: Do you think you're smart? I'll bet you do. I'm smart too. There's someone out there who's smarter than both of us, guaranteed. Probably lots of people. Who do you think should make the decisions on what we read? Who do you think should make the decisions on what we are exposed to? As adults, I would say: nobody. Knowledge is not dangerous. Knowledge becomes dangerous in the hands of dangerous people, but it becomes enlightening in the hands of enlightened people. I may not defend someone's opinion but I will defend their right to say it.
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