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Why are you guys arguing the difference between a pedo and a child molester? Did you not see the excerpt from the book posted earlier about finger condoms?
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On November 11 2010 10:55 Firereaver wrote:Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that...
The thought doesn't bother me. If a man of 30+ started dating my 14 year old sister I'd be perfectly okay with that if I approved of him as a person. His age wouldn't be a problem for me.
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On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it...
Yet, the excerpts I read in the OP and the link doesn't show that he is encouraging child molestation. So your aggressive defense seems to be without object? I could repeat that kind of rhetorics directed against your words : "OMG, no one of us condone the molestation of children, what does that have to do with anything?.."
As for your personal experience. It's sad to hear such gruesome things are happening around you, and it is understandable if it affects your view on these matters. That doesn't mean that we can't have an intellectual debate in our ivory tower, because this is actually about principles, not pragmatism. There is a reason discussions/rulings of principles are attempted detached from personal emotions.
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On November 11 2010 10:55 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts. Well in some countries there are ridiculous laws, but in the example you gave I doubt what is illegal is the thoughts reading the books might leave but the act of possessing "banned//illegal" literature. But anyway that wasn't what you said, in the post above you appeared to condone the idea of punishing thought crime.
It was a typo and I meant to say "actions"
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On November 11 2010 10:55 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love. Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes. But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary.
An attraction to prepubescent children. I don't have a problem with it.
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So, does anyone actually know for sure whether this is written as a mock/joke kinda thing or if it is actually serious?
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I should have read over the part of the thread i'd missed, would have been obvious you didn't mean that, but just saw it and was :O
To me pedophilia is comparable (if not synonymous) with a fetish. I agree with Doctor I don't have a problem with it, iI do have a problem with those who act on their attractions.
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On November 11 2010 10:49 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts. You're acting quite extreme about this. Of course if I saw child abuse I would be upset about it. What? Thought crime? the notion of prosecuting someone for their thoughts is an utterly ridiculous one.
OBVIOUSLY he meant:
"I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their actions".
Think, please.
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I'm about 3/4th of the way into my 6th read-through. This books a classic.
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On November 11 2010 10:43 ectonym wrote:
Shame on you, Amazon, believing in free speech does not mean you need to empower sex criminals. This will cause many more offensive e-book guides to appear on amazon in the near future. They are being written right now.
Wait, selling his book is empowering him and inspiring other people to write their own books? You do realize just because Amazon has the book for sale doesn't mean people will buy the book, right? Amazon doesn't have those kinds of magical powers to force people to buy their products.
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On November 11 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:55 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love. Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes. But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary. An attraction to prepubescent children. I don't have a problem with it.
I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. 
Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions.
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On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love. Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes. But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary. An attraction to prepubescent children. I don't have a problem with it. I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions.
If you're implying I should have been aborted I'd just like to say fuck you. In the nicest way possible.
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This has got to be a funny book right? ala the onion type?
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On November 11 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love. Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes. But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary. An attraction to prepubescent children. I don't have a problem with it. I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions. If you're implying I should have been aborted I'd just like to say fuck you.
But he's over 13.
On November 11 2010 11:03 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:43 ectonym wrote:
Shame on you, Amazon, believing in free speech does not mean you need to empower sex criminals. This will cause many more offensive e-book guides to appear on amazon in the near future. They are being written right now. You do realize just because Amazon has the book for sale doesn't mean people will buy the book, right? Amazon doesn't have those kinds of magical powers to force people to buy their products.
As the biggest book seller in the world, it is a guarantee to say that the book will get sales as a result of being on amazon. No magic plz.
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Sigh... why is someone foolish enough to write this book and why is Amazon trying to justify selling it. I believe strongly enough in the freedom of speech that I won't argue the book being written (although me and the author would never get along), but I'm disappointed Amazon is agreeing to sell it.
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On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions.
You were doing pretty good until this.
Implying the other person of being a pedophile and implying they should have been aborted is pretty much the lowest you could possibly go.
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On November 11 2010 10:57 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... Yet, the excerpts I read in the OP and the link doesn't show that he is encouraging child molestation. So your aggressive defense seems to be without object? I could repeat that kind of rhetorics directed against your words : "OMG, no one of us condone the molestation of children, what does that have to do with anything?.." As for your personal experience. It's sad to hear such gruesome things are happening around you, and it is understandable if it affects your view on these matters. That doesn't mean that we can't have an intellectual debate in our ivory tower, because this is actually about principles, not pragmatism. There is a reason discussions/rulings of principles are attempted detached from personal emotions.
Ahem. Please don't confuse yourself with the authorities who actually make decision/rulings, because those people while being detached from personal emotions also ideally have as complete an understanding of ground realities as is possible. And the latter half of the statement is where I will focus on because what I see in this thread is an overbearing preponderance of the former and a distressing lack of the latter.
Btw, I'm chill as Tyler 'cos i've been hardened by all the stuff i've seen. Not saying thats a good thing but I have to be objective as a doctor and though it may seem apparent in my posts that I'm really emo about this, I actually am being very objective given the knowledge I have about this social evil. Heh.
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On November 11 2010 08:45 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 07:53 mahnini wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. did you read it? from the title and description it doesn't sound like that to me. Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 08:41 Krigwin wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:There's a book selling online on Amazon.com that is creating a lot of polemic. " Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" have already got over 600 one-star reviews. The book does exactly what you think it does. Teaches pedophiles how to love children and avoid getting caught. Wait, what? According to the description the book is apparently about how to make "situations", by which I assume the author means relationships and intercourse, between adults and children safer for the children. How does it teach the reader to avoid getting caught? Read the book samples I updated the first post with. + Show Spoiler +
damn him for encouraging condom usage and discouraging child pornography?
this isn't the greatest book in the world but i think you are blowing it out of proportion calling it a book that teaches pedophiles how to avoid getting caught. the way you worded it people probably imagine it as some guide to how to stalk children and abduct them or something, which it doesn't seem like it is.
don't get me wrong it's really gross but that doesn't mean you should lie about what it is.
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On November 11 2010 11:06 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 11:03 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:55 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:
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Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love. Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes. But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary. An attraction to prepubescent children. I don't have a problem with it. I know you don't have a problem with it. I also know why you don't. Hopefully we'll be able to screen fetuses for mental disorders like this so parents can make rational decisions. If you're implying I should have been aborted I'd just like to say fuck you. But he's over 13.
I chuckled.
But I'd just like to see that people shouldn't be defined by their sexuality, no matter how deviant. If someone is a pedophile, a bondage enthusiast, a rape fetishist, a zoophile, that has very little impact on how they live the majority of their life and to what worth they can contribute to society.
A pedophile is harmless, a child molester isn't. To say people should be killed or eliminated for thoughts and feelings makes you worse than any pedophile.
People are too complex to be labeled by these things. It's of little importance especially considering many pedophiles are not exclusively attracted to children and can live their lives happily having intimate relationships only with adult women. It's preposterous.
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