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On November 11 2010 10:31 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:24 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:21 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:10 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:07 hefty wrote:On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote:Amazon was already noticed and refuses to censor the book, and quotes free speech as it's official statement to defend it: Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions. We have to remember a couple of things - our society draws a line between who is old enough to engage in sexual behavior and who isn't. It is not a natural law that a 14 yo can't enjoy/want sex with an adult Pedophilia is by definition primary\secondary attraction to prepubescent children. It is a natural law that even the children's bodies are not yet designed for sex, much less their mental state to understand consequences. Stop this pedophilia defense foolery. To pedophiles, them liking children is no more different than who heterosexuals/homosexuals are attracted to. People with mental disorders think they are normal and try to justify their actions? Lord mercy, I never knew such a thing. I'll grant the book passage if child molestation results in a life prison sentence with no parole. Holy shit. No actions. If you make an action, you are a child molester. If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile. Yes, they have a mental disorder (or may not, you may have to check technically with the DSM) that does not give them the green light to ACT ON THESE URGES. HOWEVER, just being attracted to children, maybe thats his fault, maybe it isnt, should NEVER be illegal. Obviously I said actions given that thoughts aren't crimes and will never be crimes. Do I really have to spell out that having thoughts isn't illegal? Reading comprehension time; I said regarding punishment, "I'll grant the book passage if child molestation results in a life prison sentence with no parole."
I'm just confused as to what you're point about people with the mental disorder (again I actually don't know if it is or not) trying to justify their actions. My point, which I'm not sure you're dis-agreeing with, is that pedophiles liking children feels the same way as heterosexual males being attracted to females and all the other similar comparisons. I may have come across a girl that I found incredibly attractive and wanted to sleep with, and perhaps I have fantasized doing illegal things with her and as you agree that is not illegal. However if I ever acted on those urges, obviously I can't say "I was Horny" as an excuse for my actions. That would be stupid.
Maybe we're not even arguing but your pretentious and condescending tone is not very pleasant. And I'm sure child molestation charges are harsh enough, considering you get branded and tracked for the rest of your life which is how it should be.
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On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH.
The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying.
Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves?
Blatant propaganda is blatant.
But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha
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I think theres a place for these kind of guides that teach people how to circumvent society to sustain odious personal habits, but I when it comes to things that have as a requirement sexual engament with someone who is not legally able to make his own decisions I think it should remain in 4chan
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On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it...
I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts.
You're acting quite extreme about this. Of course if I saw child abuse I would be upset about it.
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Lol, this book is a perfect counter argument to the absolute freedom of speech. Any freedom of speech advocate should either accept the fact that books like this are OK to sell, or admit that such things as freedom of speech can't exist in its most complete, pure form. You can't have it both ways.
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Pedophilia can also be considered having sex with a 15 year old smoking hottie cock tease who you met at a random club or after school. Hell, poor R Kelly got caught in the same trap. How can you resist the temptation man?
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On November 11 2010 10:47 AbsentLover wrote:
Pedophilia can also be considered having sex with a 15 year old smoking hottie cock tease who you met at a random club or after school. Hell, poor R Kelly got caught in the same trap. How can you resist the temptation man?
Have sex with legal girls... its not hard.
Anyways, about the OP. The book should be allowed to be published & allowed to be sold (if a publisher is crazy enough to pick it up). There are no exceptions to freedom of speech. The book will hit headlines, be slammed, people will condemn it, and they should, but censorship isn't the answer.
I'm more concerned about the punishments for sex crimes against children in Canada. Its fairly common for child molesters to be released after a few years and re-offend. In fact, 88% of them re-offend. Its really disturbing that we let this fucks roam free after such short sentences.
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I'm loath to condemn a book I haven't read.
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On November 11 2010 10:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts. You're acting quite extreme about this. Of course if I saw child abuse I would be upset about it.
What? Thought crime? the notion of prosecuting someone for their thoughts is an utterly ridiculous one.
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On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha
I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large.
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NAMBLA is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about when I say that this whole issue has become a big "peds under the beds" scare tactic. Even at their peak had like a thousand members, half of them probably cops and FBI agents. Yet it got beat up like it's some kind of threat to society. A thousand people in a country of 300 million, shows exactly what a threat these ZOMG pedo organisations are, they're taking over man.
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On November 11 2010 10:49 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts. You're acting quite extreme about this. Of course if I saw child abuse I would be upset about it. What? Thought crime? the notion of prosecuting someone for their thoughts is an utterly ridiculous one.
I believe in some countries it's illegal to publish or consume erotic literature. I could see cases in which expressing feelings or thoughts of pedophilia is twisted to convey intent to harm a child or something of that nature.
I wouldn't be surprised.
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Society used to reject homosexuality in past (and some still do). Maybe the same will happen with pedophilia and this will not be a big issue.
EDIT: Minor edit, spelling.
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On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large.
Well that leaves 20% of child molesters who don't fit the bill of pedophile.
Pedophile literally means child love.
What you are saying is just like saying "Most men who rape are heterosexual men so don't tell me heterosexual men love women"
94:1 is a pretty big ratio. That would be admitted pedophiles, there may be more who would be statistically undocumented as well.
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If there weren't a mob with pitchforks trying to pull the book of the shelves, and instead people just ignored it and didn't buy it if they weren't interested, it wouldn't be on top 145# among the best selling books on amazon atm.
It probably wouldn't even sell more than a houndred copies or so, the author can't even spell decently in any of his comments..
And it sure as hell wouldn't have 1500 reviews, even if they're all bad it's still helping the book sell by being controversial..
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Thank you for this sir. Now I have nodoubt that this guy is a scumbag. He'd rather have his teenage nephew "play" with a 60 year old man than with girls?!!??! I thought-puked on that...
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On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I don't think anybody here is condoning sexual abuse of children. Some people are arguing that a book should not be censored no matter how disgusting the contents may be. Seeing sexual abuse cases like those from your rural service obligations as a doctor might make a person more aware of their disgust for the act, but it should not change their opinions on freedom of speech.
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On November 11 2010 10:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:40 Firereaver wrote:On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all.
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive.
It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... I'm not condoning child abuse. Pedophiles should not be prosecutes for their feelings and thoughts but for their thoughts.
Well in some countries there are ridiculous laws, but in the example you gave I doubt what is illegal is the thoughts reading the books might leave but the act of possessing "banned//illegal" literature.
But anyway that wasn't what you said, in the post above you appeared to condone the idea of punishing thought crime.
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On November 11 2010 10:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 10:50 Tensai176 wrote:On November 11 2010 10:42 Romantic wrote:On November 11 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote:On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote:
If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile.
Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. The Mayo Clinic regularly reports that 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile. I don't think I have ever seen academic papers published below that number, perhaps for lack of trying. Really? Pedophiles "Love" children? Is that what they tell themselves? Blatant propaganda is blatant. But, but, we just want to love the children and make them feel good! hahaha I have to take the source accuracy from my Abnormal Psychology professor and I may try to find the sources later but there are actually a lot more pedophiles in the world than you might think. The main point is that the ratio of pedophiles to child molesters are actually like 94:1, (professor gave it as a percentage) and so maybe 80+% of child abuse cases involve people who fit the criteria for a pedophile which is actually, statement wise, is pretty shaky, the number of pedophiles that are not child molesters remains pretty large. Pedophile literally means child love.
Deconstructed into Greek roots, pedophilia means love for children, yes.
But, in 2010 ad, it means an adult who has sexual desires for children. Consult ANY dictionary.
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