EPTPedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure - Page 12
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:22 deathserv wrote: Likewise, in this situation, the guy is basically encouraging pedophiles to go out and have sex with kids. On what information are you drawing this conclusion from? Can you provide passages from the book or quotes from the author stating or otherwise implying this? | ||
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dutpotd
Canada49 Posts
Of course, we are talking about one of the most despicable/harrowing/difficult-to-understand Crimes out there so we might as well pair it off against the most absolute of Freedom's, expression. Its pretty obvious that Amazon is going to do what they need to do from a corporate perspective, one that not everyone can understand or agree with. Personally, I'm sure Amazon is doing the right thing and I wouldn't be proud enough to tell them otherwise. That said, Freedom doesn't relate all to well with Privacy and I'd be happy to see any criminal activity associated with this publication, either as it relates to the author or the reader, be persecuted to the full extent of the law. And yes, the fact that someone writes something like this for whatever reason whether it be illness, difference, or attention does sicken me, but it stopped surprising me long ago, which I think is the important thing. - dut | ||
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TzTz
Germany511 Posts
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:24 Romantic wrote: People with mental disorders think they are normal and try to justify their actions? Lord mercy, I never knew such a thing. I'll grant the book passage if child molestation results in a life prison sentence with no parole. Holy shit. No actions. If you make an action, you are a child molester. If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile. Yes, they have a mental disorder (or may not, you may have to check technically with the DSM) that does not give them the green light to ACT ON THESE URGES. HOWEVER, just being attracted to children, maybe thats his fault, maybe it isnt, should NEVER be illegal. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive. It's become a dirty word a bit. | ||
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Asdkmoga
United States496 Posts
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
It's called The North American Man/Boy Love Association. On November 11 2010 07:41 kataa wrote: In previous threads I've spent alot of time defending free speech. However, in this case it's pretty inexcusable. Pedophilia is a crime in western society, and a book on how to execute it no more should be legal than a book on how to make a very nice nail bomb. I see your point and I almost agreed with you but as No_Roo said: On November 11 2010 07:43 No_Roo wrote: Free speech, take the good with the bad. That said, prosecute the shit out of pedophiles. And while there aren't so explicit about this matter, there are tons of books that in one way or another gives you a lot of info on wrong areas, check out 120 Days of Sodom by Marquis de Sade. Lots of child abuse in that one. On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all. Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive. . I agree 100% on this. By the way, Humbert Humbert, the main character in Lolita, starts out this way. He only starts to have sex with her after a huge trauma. Actually, she is the one that first proposed having sex, and used intercourse as a bargain weapon all the way to the end. Both are the most f***ed characters that I ever know, in the saddest book I've ever read. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote: Holy shit. No actions. If you make an action, you are a child molester. If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile. Yes, they have a mental disorder (or may not, you may have to check technically with the DSM) that does not give them the green light to ACT ON THESE URGES. HOWEVER, just being attracted to children, maybe thats his fault, maybe it isnt, should NEVER be illegal. Obviously I said actions given that thoughts aren't crimes and will never be crimes. Do I really have to spell out that having thoughts isn't illegal? Reading comprehension time; I said regarding punishment, "I'll grant the book passage if child molestation results in a life prison sentence with no parole." | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:28 Tensai176 wrote: If you are merely attracted to children, you are a pedophile. A child molester will probably be a pedophile. Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
Man, we live in a world of heavy double standards. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He's wrong, pedophilia isn't illegal. It isn't illegal to be a pedophile. A pedophile could tell a cop he was a pedophile and the cop couldn't do anything. If we get to the point in this country that you can be arrested for what you think and feel then I'm out of here. Flawed logic imo. This aint Minority Report or something. If someone has a tendency to do something whether its rape murder etc. he cant be punished until he actually commits the crime or is found to be well on his way to indubitably committing it. Everyone know this and noone arguing against it. However child pornography and child abuse is illegal. Anything encouraging a social evil is ethically wrong and seditious. Its like publishing a book - Easy ways to bomb the Whitehouse and Pentagon. which describes how to do it without "getting caught". If you can justify in your mind, in all honesty a book being published and sold with this intent then you may stick to your opinions. And thats wat OWHolmes meant by that statement. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:31 Shakes wrote: Actually child molesters are rarely pedophiles. The most common is a child's own father. Which is why all the hysteria over "ZOMG the peds" would be best directed back at people's own homes. This is correct. Child molestation is often about power/manipulation/dominance rather than love. Rape has nothing to do with love or sex. Many child molesters who rape children do so for the same reason they might murder somebody, to feel the power over something weaker than them, to exercise control over something. There are pedophiles who intend to hurt children, this is undeniable, but I'd say it's a minority of them TBH. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:33 Firereaver wrote: Flawed logic imo. This aint Minority Report or something. If someone has a tendency to do something whether its rape murder etc. he cant be punished until he actually commits the crime or is found to be well on his way to indubitably committing it. Everyone know this and noone arguing against it. However child pornography and child abuse is illegal. Anything encouraging a social evil is ethically wrong and seditious. Its like publishing a book - Easy ways to bomb the Whitehouse and Pentagon. which describes how to do it without "getting caught". If you can justify in your mind, in all honesty a book being published and sold with this intent then you may stick to your opinions. And thats wat OWHolmes meant by that statement. I haven't read the book and I'm assuming you haven't either. I don't know that it's a guide to molesting and hurting children. I'd have to read it to judge it. A pedophile does not necessarily have the tendency to molest children, they shouldn't be prosecuted or ostracized for their feelings. It isn't something they chose to do to bring evil upon the world. | ||
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MadJack
Peru357 Posts
Reminds me of that movie... HITMAN. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
"Its not the thought thats bad, its the act" | ||
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BlackHumor
United States3 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:32 Frigo wrote: So they can ban or otherwise restrict legitimate criticism of muslims and Islam, and they allow this shit? Man, we live in a world of heavy double standards. Uh, AMAZON can do that, but not the US. And when Amazon does that it's not called a ban. I'm not aware of Amazon having ever done that, but w/e. (Though I suspect we're using different definitions and what you call "legitimate criticism of muslims" I call "a racist screed".) But not having this discussion here, BACK TO PEDOPHILIA! | ||
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HawtNudie
Norway26 Posts
Yes, pedophilia is a crime, no, writing a book about it, no matter the perspective of the writer, is not. Mein Kampf is easily acquired around the world, yet people stopped buzzing about that ages ago. You also have tons of other books full of racial slurs and whatnot at your local retailer that are about just as provocative subjects. What you use them for is up to you and you, alone, should take the consequences of that. The whole mentality that something should be censored because of it's content is the same mentality that leads to the same train of thought that Jack Thompson has, the "big bad wolf" of every video gaming industry. It's a mentality I do not care for, as it leaves too little up to the individual and too much up to some government body, which in most cases leads to a far, FAR too general guidelines/laws/etc. People have brains, let them use them. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On November 11 2010 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The media has done an excellent job of brainwashing people into viewing all pedophiles as evil child molesters. I'm sure within a matter of a decade or two it'll be illegal just to express interest in a minor, or to talk about it at all. Plenty of pedophiles have no intent of harming a child. It literally means child love. There are even pedophiles that are dedicated only to having positive platonic relationships with children, with no sexual motive. It's become a dirty word a bit. OMG!!!Ofc Pedophiles can have "platonic" relationships with children just like a man and a woman can. What does that have to do with anything. It does NOT make pedophilic intention and deeds any less of a social evil. Are you saying that the media did this. If they did hats off to them. I come from a country where rural society is riddled with child-abuse and it pains me to see people lounging in ivory-towers discuss semantics and legality when I know you would all sing a different song if you witnessed for just an hour what I have seen for the past 2 years of my rural service obligations as a doctor. As I said before, once my PG exams are over I'll def make a blog about it... | ||
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