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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 06 2010 18:05 Ordained wrote: Those "firefighters" should not receive any money from the state if they refuse to help a taxpayer. I was under the impression that they don't. | ||
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muse5187
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
really impractical though | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On October 06 2010 23:33 muse5187 wrote: ugh the children in here saying he got what he deserved please take a step into the real world, you immature scum. You all make me disgusted. am i reading this wrong? o_o | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10836 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
They offer a paid service for non-taxpayers outside city limits. If someone opts not to pay this fee, why the fuck should the fire department of a different municipality risk their lives to put out this retard's house (that he set on fire burning garbage in his backyard)? It's like refusing to pay car insurance and then calling the insurance company after you crash it and ask if you can be retroactively covered. Fuck this idiot and his house. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10836 Posts
Because there is no fire dept in his own city/town/whatever. B: Because it's the right thing to do. C: Because not helping someone because he didn't pay 75$ (just think about it, he could just have "lost" the bill, or the payement could have been *in transfer*...) its just inhuman. Damn freemarked/lawsuit-fear morronism. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:23 Manifesto7 wrote: Or they could have put it out for $7500, saved the man's house, and still sent the same message. Honestly though, this is why funding for the fire department should come from the city, which collects from people through land taxes, rather than each entity collecting separately for each thing. A fire department shouldn't be run like the cable company. It's not run like the cable company. This house was not IN the city. It was outside city limits, and the residents didn't pay any taxes to the city. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 07 2010 00:52 Velr wrote: A: Because there is no fire dept in his own city/town/whatever. He doesn't live in a city/town. He chooses to live outside a municipality and therefore does not pay municipal taxes. If he wants municipal services, he can pay for them. B: Because it's the right thing to do. No, it's not. Some random person who doesn't live in your city calls your city fire department and says come put it out. That's absurd. Firefighters risk their life and limb, they're under no obligation to act like some league of superheroes randomly cavorting around the country looking for fires. C: Because not helping someone because he didn't pay 75$ (just think about it, he could just have "lost" the bill, or the payement could have been *in transfer*...) its just inhuman freemarked/lawsuit-fear morronism. There's nothing inhuman about this. It was just a fucking house. No one died. An idiot who thought 75 bucks per annum was too much to chip in for people risking their lives in burning buildings lost his redneck shack. He didn't think this was worth paying even though he burns garbage in his own yard every year. Who gives a fuck? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
There is a huge variety of taxes in USA, Taxation in the United States is a complex system which may involve payment to many different levels of government and many methods of taxation. United States taxation includes local government, possibly including one or more of municipal, township, district and county governments. It also includes regional entities such as school and utility, and transit districts as well as state and federal government. I shamlessly stolen the quote above from wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States Back on the topic, the taxation system in my country (and i belive in most of other European countries) is much more simpler (at least in this aspect). When i pay something that is similiar to Your Individual income tax i pay for almost everything (with notable exception of medical care). My govenment does not inform me for what i am paying. It takes my money and use it for education, roads,sewerage, police, firefighting and many other services (though with notable exception of medical care which have its own separate position). Of course there are few exception some of the money ewentually ends in city or county budget. I would not like to go into it to deep, its rather pointless, all You have to know is the fact that Individual Income tax is most important position here and that is the way my government pays for most of the services. Unless i am mistaken all US citizens have to pay that Individual Income Tax. If that is so, we can safely assume that person in question (the one that lost its house) is paying above mentioned tax.For me he already paid his share for the firefighting, and for a lot of other things. In fact it seems to me that if he would pay the firefighting fee he would in fact paid for it twice. Not legaly speaking of course. But hey, You have sometimes to look at Your relation with the government and ask Yourself if everything is okay? The firefighting issue in this topic, is in my opinion certainly an area where something is wrong. Not that my government isnt screwing me too, it does. But there is no pride in being screwed, stop acting like it is a good thing, its not. To put it stright and simple, i belive US government should finance firefighting from the money You pay it with your Individual Income Tax. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
" There's nothing inhuman about this. It was just a fucking house. No one died. An idiot who thought 75 bucks per annum was too much to chip in for people risking their lives in burning buildings lost his redneck shack. He didn't think this was worth paying even though he burns garbage in his own yard every year. Who gives a fuck?" A home may not be worth something to you, but only a person who has gone through the pain of building/buying (and not inherited) a house knows the true value of it Also if you read the source article you would have read that they lost two dogs and a cat to the fire. So what are you gonna argue next? That pets are unimportant and dont deserve to be saved? That guy might just have forgotten to pay his fee, but its most definitely not worthy of such cruel negligence. If not for anything else, I would question the morality of the firemen who felt that it was not even worth lifting a finger to help a fellow human being. The apathy is really shocking and is a reflection of the moral values of today's humanity - Money over everything else. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On October 07 2010 01:30 Yurebis wrote: ^ Is there pride in being taxed? Of course not, but its realy hard to avoid it isnt it? While most of us cant even think about defending ourselves from the oppresive hand of goverment, we still have some means of influencing the state. Why not use those means to make sure (or at least try) that Your tax money is making Your life (and everyone around You) better, instead of going into someones pocket. | ||
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Effect010
Germany89 Posts
On October 05 2010 14:21 FabledIntegral wrote: Honestly... I kinda agree. Otherwise it just goes to show you can not pay the fee and still get the protection when the fire happens. and let the house burn down because of that? as a punishment for not paying 75 dollars? i dont want to live in a world that thinks like that...i saw that you sad "kinda" dont worry  | ||
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calin
Australia107 Posts
I honestly don't get how people are agreeing this is the right thing to do.. He forgot to pay a $75 fee, come-on....he even offered to pay it when they were there. Seems like a pretty douche move to me to be honest. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
Your income tax doesn't directly pay for fire and emergency services. Local or municipal governments do receive a portion of it, but it's directly tied to the number of people who actually live in that municipality. There are also real estate taxes, local business licensure fees, etc. Your local fire department is not paid for by the government or your general income tax. It's paid for by the budget of your municipal government. If that is so, we can safely assume that person in question (the one that lost its house) is paying above mentioned tax.For me he already paid his share for the firefighting, and for a lot of other things. In fact it seems to me that if he would pay the firefighting fee he would in fact paid for it twice. People who live in Krakow pay higher real estate taxes than people living in some random small town 50 km outside of Poznan. The firefighters in Krakow get paid more than firefighters in some random small town. Yet all pay the same percentage of income tax. Are people in Krakow "paying twice"? That guy in Obion county didn't pay any municipal taxes because he didn't live in a city. He in fact didn't pay even once. If you live in a rental apartment, your landlord is actually paying municipal fees and taxes. If you own your own home, then you pay those yourself. Also, you don't seem to realize how large the United States are. The country is a federation of states that span an entire continent. The federal government centrally controlling every fire department in the country is ludicrous. That aside, that's not even how it works in tiny Estonia, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that in Poland either. Municipal services are provided by municipal governments. My wife is actually from one county over from Obion (Dyer), and she's lived both in a city and outside city limits. When they lived outside city limits they paid a fee for fire services like everyone else, because they didn't pay city taxes. This is normal practice in Tennessee and the media is just turning this idiot's screwup into a sob story by distorting the facts. | ||
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JooCEMUNKiE
Canada2 Posts
At the same time, you don't call up an insurance company AFTER you get into a car accident for coverage. The idea of paying for any type of coverage is that the majority pay for the few that actually end up needing it on the end. It's unfortunate, but it's the risk he took. | ||
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zak1129
United States9 Posts
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