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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
On September 28 2010 09:23 seRapH wrote: wtf. if this shit is real then this is like rape of nanking all over again. bullshit. Except the rape of nanking was covered up and 10x worse. So really, no it isn't. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
wtf. if this shit is real then this is like rape of nanking all over again. bullshit. Are you fucking serious? I find this incredibly offensive. You know how many people were systemically killed in the Nanking Massacre? 200,000. And 80,000 women were brutally raped. Three people died in this incident. Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On September 28 2010 10:57 Diuqil wrote: 1. A developed country such as the U.S. should stop bringing such people into the army then. If these kind of people can get into the army then idk what this world has come to. 2. This isn't even war, they are going out to kill civilians for the fun of it. And just because this has been going on since the dawn of time doesn't change a THING. If its really been going on so long, then the ones recruiting these soldiers really need to look at who they are recruiting. 3. Okay, let me rephrase my comment again " I fucking hate people who kill innocent civilians, not servicemen." I thank all real soldiers for being there when the time comes to protect my family. (The afghans aren't harming anyone though, that's why I said "when the time comes") 4. I respect those people more then I would any scientist. To be honest, I think this was probably the result of a psychotic break from one of the Sergeants, who then forced his subordinates into taking part. That shit happens all the time, because people are so fucking strict on the whole "chain of command" bullshit. I'm in the USAF, btw, never been to combat, but given what I have seen working an office job (Air Traffic Control), this sort of bullshit doesn't seem too far fetched. All it takes is one Staff Sergeant to scare his subordinates into killing people. | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On September 28 2010 10:57 Diuqil wrote: 1. A developed country such as the U.S. should stop bringing such people into the army then. If these kind of people can get into the army then idk what this world has come to. 2. This isn't even war, they are going out to kill civilians for the fun of it. And just because this has been going on since the dawn of time doesn't change a THING. If its really been going on so long, then the ones recruiting these soldiers really need to look at who they are recruiting. 3. Okay, let me rephrase my comment again " I fucking hate people who kill innocent civilians, not servicemen." I thank all real soldiers for being there when the time comes to protect my family. (The afghans aren't harming anyone though, that's why I said "when the time comes") 4. I respect those people more then I would any scientist. If these are your views then why generalize and tear down the poor bastards who are in the armed services? We might not agree with the policies, but its our godammed job to do what we're told. I've met some fucked up soldiers that are either torn apart by war, or just plain batshit insane but they are not by any means the majority. Most veterans look to each other for support and stand by each other and are actually kind of inspiring in their sheer loyalty and brotherhood. But thats not newsworthy so who cares | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
shit =/ | ||
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Diuqil
United States307 Posts
On September 28 2010 11:09 JamesJohansen wrote: If these are your views then why generalize and tear down the poor bastards who are in the armed services? We might not agree with the policies, but its our godammed job to do what we're told. I've met some fucked up soldiers that are either torn apart by war, or just plain batshit insane but they are not by any means the majority. Most veterans look to each other for support and stand by each other and are actually kind of inspiring in their sheer loyalty and brotherhood. But thats not newsworthy so who cares Eh, I'm sorry for the generalization. I guess I really made a fool out of myself. Thing is when I hear such news, I know this type of shit goes down, I know people die every day for reasons worse then this, and I just straight up rage hard. I shouldn't of been surprised when I read this I guess. . I'll be changing my comment now, and I'll try to generalize a bit less :S | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
War is the most horrible thing any human can experience. It's unfortunate those people had to even be there in the first place. However, that in no way excuses their actions. They went into the army knowing what they were getting in to. If they didn't think they could handle it, or had any doubts as to whether or not their ethical boundaries would be broken during the experience, they just shouldn't have signed up. It's too bad for them. They made a series of horrible decisions and now their lives will be ruined. | ||
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bitter[KALT]
United States138 Posts
On September 28 2010 11:09 JamesJohansen wrote: We might not agree with the policies, but its our godammed job to do what we're told. But thats not newsworthy so who cares If you do not agree with them then - for god's sake - don't sign up for the job. Even more so if the job includes killing people! And, by the way, this is the same excuse every soldier in the history of time used for every military crime. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
On September 28 2010 09:45 sob3k wrote: Sure, its bad, but is anyone really shocked at this? How could you be? Over a million US troops have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in a hostile war situation. Some of them are bound to be crazy or break under the pressure. They are all carrying enough weapons to kill hundreds of people, so when someone does have a meltdown its extremely likely to be serious. We should do all we can to prevent event like this occurring, but to be honest they are completely inevitable in a situation such as this and shouldn't lower your respect for soldiers of either side any more than some wacko shooting people in a mall lowers your respect for the rest of the public. This, also, whoever said this was comparable to Nanking seriously needs to get their facts straight. This is an unfortunate incident, but it's nothing nearly of that size. | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On September 28 2010 11:18 bitter[KALT] wrote: If you do not agree with them then - for god's sake - don't sign up for the job. Even more so if the job includes killing people! And, by the way, this is the same excuse every soldier in the history of time used for every military crime. This job does not include killing innocent people... Taking down radical muslims who want nothing more than the subjugation of the west is fine by me. They're threat is very underestimated by people And there is no way you're ever going to agree with every foriegn policy put forth but its vital to respect those above you or there would be no discipline, no chain of command, and no effectiveness whatsoever. Comparing that to "war crimes" is not applicable and starts to touch on godwin's law | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
the entire War was fought with a mentality of vengeance. its unsurprising that some US soldiers took it out on any Afghan they see. obvious what the soldier did was wrong but so is the US choice of using military solution against what should had been dealt with by the police force. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
i wont go into reasons for which an individual might behave in such a way because i have no interest in providing excuses. quite frankly there is not ever an excuse for violence or murder except for immediate self defence. there certainly is the problem of violent, oppressive regimes like the taliban or terrorist groups like al quaeda who will not respond to anything other than force. this excuse doesnt work in all cases though. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
Some soldiers kill 3 people and the public reaction is "OH MY GOD! HOW DISGUSTING AND SADISTIC! FUCK THE MILITARY" while hundreds of thousands die in bombings and crossfire. I'm pretty disillusioned about war in general. It just seems like there's never a "right side" to take in any war. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
On September 28 2010 11:41 matjlav wrote: It's astonishing how true the saying "1 death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic" is. And 3 out of every 2 people dieing is a statistical tragedy. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On September 28 2010 09:23 seRapH wrote: wtf. if this shit is real then this is like rape of nanking all over again. bullshit. Dont even compare this to the rape on nanking. 5 guys shooting a few people is completely different from an entire army shooting and raping a whole city. | ||
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FireLiquid
United States11 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
keep in mind though that knowing of these problems wont bring the civillians back to life and that drugs and ptsd are not responsible for all cases of impoper conduct of troops. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On September 28 2010 09:23 seRapH wrote: wtf. if this shit is real then this is like rape of nanking all over again. bullshit. i wouldn't take it THAT far.... although this is really depressing and sickening  | ||
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