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Misillusion
Profile Joined April 2010
46 Posts
November 10 2010 04:20 GMT
#241
Has cometbird been mentioned? It's not as compact as chrome, but seems like it has more compatibility with more websites.

I used to use FF, but it borders on the more heavyweight side. IE can just die though. It's like trying to go double expo with an aggressive build-it doesn't work.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 05:08:04
November 10 2010 04:46 GMT
#242
I'm trying out rockmelt ( http://www.rockmelt.com/ ) right now... they basically stole chrome and added a facebook / rss sidebar... which isn't too bad tbh.
:)
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
November 10 2010 05:21 GMT
#243
On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:
Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure"
http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-beta

that benchmark is laughable at best, they must have fucked it up really bad if firefox is the fastest on cold start... like really really bad

FF is by far the slowest browser to open on any computer i have ever tried, with IE and chrome being much faster

both FF and chrome open instantly on my pc while FF and opera both take a couple of seconds, just tried it... warm start they're still faster
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 10 2010 05:28 GMT
#244
On November 10 2010 13:46 synapse wrote:
I'm trying out rockmelt ( http://www.rockmelt.com/ ) right now... they basically stole chrome and added a facebook / rss sidebar... which isn't too bad tbh.

I don't like rockmelt 1 reason

CHARAZARD use ROCKMELT!
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 05:31:39
November 10 2010 05:29 GMT
#245
On November 10 2010 14:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:
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On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:
Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure"
http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-beta

that benchmark is laughable at best, they must have fucked it up really bad if firefox is the fastest on cold start... like really really bad

FF is by far the slowest browser to open on any computer i have ever tried, with IE and chrome being much faster

both FF and chrome open instantly on my pc while FF and opera both take a couple of seconds, just tried it... warm start they're still faster

Also did they disable super fetch or not, is it a fresh install or old? Alot of bloggers and stuff run not really proper benchmarks counting in the variables properly to give a fair assessment.

Also i like how the people want low memory use Chrome, chrome is one of the worst due to it creates a new instance for every tab similar to IE, so when you open a few tabs the memory used spikes. Although when you close it it will return back to small.

Opera and FF are the worse to when closing tabs still taking up a ton of memory depending on settings ofc.
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
November 10 2010 05:33 GMT
#246
just moved to chrome from ff/opera ... sad that everything is becoming google but it runs so smooth
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
November 10 2010 07:41 GMT
#247
the thing i like about opera is that i can sync my bookmark from opera mini on my phone. So when im browsing tl at work on my phone like i am now and there are vods or other vids that i cant view i just sync the bookmarks and not have to search for pages
6 poll is a good skill toi have
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
November 10 2010 08:24 GMT
#248
On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.


You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first?
I pwn noobs
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 08:37:06
November 10 2010 08:32 GMT
#249
On November 10 2010 17:24 Neivler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.


You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first?

You mean steal from add-ons that were built into ie from 3rd parties, which only stole from other companies doing other things which they liked.

Browser business is a dirty business i find these benchmark of script speeds the dirtiest form of play right now.

Speed varies greatly from a fresh install to a used browser, how is it maintained, how are settings changed, what the user adds.

I personally choose browser based on ability to change the UI to fit how i like things, i use opera just because it works well out of the box, i can do FF and IE but it requires me getting so many add ons it's not worth my time.

I also think opera the way it renders a webpage appears to a person the slowest, i think the quickest is chrome and IE9, IE9 is esp fast if you cache things and are on a broadband connection pages load when you click.

BY what i meant above about render is, even if 2 browsers render a page exactly the same time from start to finish the way it does the rendering can make an apparent feel like it is loading faster then another, similar to how pictures online loads, where it does it in steps vs just loading all at once.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 09:14:15
November 10 2010 09:00 GMT
#250
On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:
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On November 09 2010 21:19 Ryndika wrote:
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).

That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it.

Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure"
http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-beta
As for easiest..well that's your opinion. But you can use IE tabs in firefox.
It's also not as secure due to activex and other such things.
And saying you use it because it's the default browser installed, that's just ignorant.
But you don't care about what others think..so I don't know why I bother trying to change your point of view.
Anyways, I hope firefox or opera wins the browser war.

Is this offensive ? I hope not because I'll have few points.
I said IE is faster for me and I've tested. It's different on my setup than on someone random one's.
Easiest I mean that I know where are certain buttons and here goes also why I will not DL other browser where I do not know few tricks.
And what about security? I've thought that aslong as I'm not doing something stupid or breaking obvious etiquettes about using internet - I wont get any shit on my computer.
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[I dont want any flamewar here in TL forums and I dont want to be offensive to random people in internet. If you got pissed off how I use IE or about this reply I'm sorry. However it would have been nice if you came up with constructive post giving real info why I would actually DL other browser if mine IS actually bad - never stated IE is best]




Also, anyone know what browser is most resource efficient - I tend to have 3 to 5 tabs open usually?
And what ads people are actually blocking with their adblocks? Those banners on site or in youtube videos? I can't think anything else.
as useful as teasalt
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
November 12 2010 08:41 GMT
#251
[image loading]

New Firefox 4 beta jumps to second-fastest browser on the market, right after Opera 11.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
November 12 2010 09:00 GMT
#252
yea, i just updated my firefox and it feels ridiculously faster. though why is 3.6 WAY faster than everything else? o.O
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 09:40:02
November 12 2010 09:37 GMT
#253
Lol in what bar gaphs without numbers and without context.

Opera imo is the sluggish when it comes to displaying the content, which is frankly why i call crap on such single test as JavaScript benches etc, it's like if people chose gpu's based on DP numbers instead of gaming benches. I say that now as i use opera lol, but i like opera for ui customization out of box. i don't really care if the page loads in 100ms or 50 ms.

IE9, Chrome 9 both feel snappy, ff depends if you're a person cursed with bugs with their beta or not.
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
November 12 2010 09:45 GMT
#254
On November 12 2010 18:37 semantics wrote:
Lol in what bar gaphs without numbers and without context.

Opera imo is the sluggish when it comes to displaying the content, which is frankly why i call crap on such single test as JavaScript benches etc, it's like if people chose gpu's based on DP numbers instead of gaming benches. I say that now as i use opera lol, but i like opera for ui customization out of box. i don't really care if the page loads in 100ms or 50 ms.

IE9, Chrome 9 both feel snappy, ff depends if you're a person cursed with bugs with their beta or not.


Here's the full article, it's in Swedish though..
Browser test
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
November 12 2010 10:03 GMT
#255
Meh.. These days, who actually makes money off browsers anyways? It is a pointless market where the only people that care about the share are hacker/spammers and site developers.

You can hate IE all you want, but when M$ bundled it with Windows it opened the internet to many people. I could still remember the dial-up days when the only net browser available was Netscape installed from floppy disks provided by my ISP. If I lose the installation disk, I had no browser.

Firefox, although slightly more secured and safer than IE, is not without its problem. The Plugin-container for example, is constantly memory leaking resulting is slow down in streams. I had to force kill the plugin-container every time I load more than 5 clips.

I haven't felt the need to use Chrome yet. Is there some features worth switching for? or people are switching because they like to use google's product?
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
November 12 2010 10:14 GMT
#256
On November 10 2010 18:00 Ryndika wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:
On November 09 2010 21:19 Ryndika wrote:
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).

That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it.

Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure"
http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-beta
As for easiest..well that's your opinion. But you can use IE tabs in firefox.
It's also not as secure due to activex and other such things.
And saying you use it because it's the default browser installed, that's just ignorant.
But you don't care about what others think..so I don't know why I bother trying to change your point of view.
Anyways, I hope firefox or opera wins the browser war.

Is this offensive ? I hope not because I'll have few points.
I said IE is faster for me and I've tested. It's different on my setup than on someone random one's.
Easiest I mean that I know where are certain buttons and here goes also why I will not DL other browser where I do not know few tricks.
And what about security? I've thought that aslong as I'm not doing something stupid or breaking obvious etiquettes about using internet - I wont get any shit on my computer.
+ Show Spoiler +
[I dont want any flamewar here in TL forums and I dont want to be offensive to random people in internet. If you got pissed off how I use IE or about this reply I'm sorry. However it would have been nice if you came up with constructive post giving real info why I would actually DL other browser if mine IS actually bad - never stated IE is best]




Also, anyone know what browser is most resource efficient - I tend to have 3 to 5 tabs open usually?
And what ads people are actually blocking with their adblocks? Those banners on site or in youtube videos? I can't think anything else.

It's not offensive. I think I might have misinterpreted your statement of, "That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it". It is sometimes hard for me to read into what people actually mean on the Internet sometimes, and for that I apologize.

While you yourself may not do something stupid to try and not get any malware on your computer, the truth is Internet Explorer is easier to exploit for people who wish malcontent on other internet users. Even if you do nothing stupid, it doesn't stop people from trying to infect your computer. An ActiveX code can format your drive, modify files as it pleases, change security settings, modify windows registry - among other things. A maliciously written ActiveX component can do any amount of damage imaginable, including viruses, stealing passwords, & stealing info from your system. The problem is not with you the user, but with Microsoft and this software.

According to the link I provided earlier, Firefox 3.6 uses the least memory tested on nine tabs open, while IE uses the most. There's more detailed stats on that site. It was written 5 months ago, so while it may not be the most up to date, I would still stand by it.

You did not piss me off on how you use IE, and I would have given you more advice on other browsers, but the "I dont care what others think about it" statement kind of threw me off. Again, I apologize if I seemed like a dick earlier.

Adblock blocks many annoying ads. If you ever have viewed a person playing or streaming on livestream, it gets rid of those ads that pop up while you're trying to watch someone play. You can also set it to block images(IE Banners), Flash, Java, scripts, and stylesheets. Here is a short video overview.

Take it easy and if you have any other questions I'll try my best to answer, and if I can't I'm sure someone else can~
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-12 10:29:32
November 12 2010 10:27 GMT
#257
My understanding is that IE has had a long history of having security vulnerabilities where merely visiting a particular web site would be sufficient to get a virus on your computer.

However, I'm stuck with using it here in Korea, because if you want to do anything (social network sites, e-commerce, e-banking, school online course registration, etc) the sites require IE and ActiveX. I'm honest. You can't buy a pair of shoes online without having to allow ActiveX.

Oh, and I used to use Firefox until I saw Chrome. Chrome feels like what Firebird did, until they changed the name and started adding features. 90% of users aren't interested in customizing their browsers and installing plugins, but Firefox is betting its bank on it.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Nightfall.589
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada766 Posts
November 12 2010 10:48 GMT
#258
On November 10 2010 17:32 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 17:24 Neivler wrote:
On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.


You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first?

You mean steal from add-ons that were built into ie from 3rd parties, which only stole from other companies doing other things which they liked.

Browser business is a dirty business i find these benchmark of script speeds the dirtiest form of play right now.

Speed varies greatly from a fresh install to a used browser, how is it maintained, how are settings changed, what the user adds.

I personally choose browser based on ability to change the UI to fit how i like things, i use opera just because it works well out of the box, i can do FF and IE but it requires me getting so many add ons it's not worth my time.

I also think opera the way it renders a webpage appears to a person the slowest, i think the quickest is chrome and IE9, IE9 is esp fast if you cache things and are on a broadband connection pages load when you click.

BY what i meant above about render is, even if 2 browsers render a page exactly the same time from start to finish the way it does the rendering can make an apparent feel like it is loading faster then another, similar to how pictures online loads, where it does it in steps vs just loading all at once.


I can't speak for fixed benchmarks, but speaking from my (Part-time) web development experience, I've always found Chrome to be an order of magnitude faster than FF or IE.
Proof by Legislation: An entire body of (sort-of) elected officials is more correct than all of the known laws of physics, math and science as a whole. -Scott McIntyre
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 12 2010 22:26 GMT
#259
Wow OP's recollection of the history is so inaccurate, it makes me wonder if he actually was old enough to remember what happened...
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 22 2011 08:57 GMT
#260
latest news guys,

1. Firefox is now the most popular browser in EU, and
2. IE has now dropped below the 50% mark.
...from the land of imba
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