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VoV
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom32 Posts
June 04 2004 08:28 GMT
#161
On June 03 2004 18:58 Servolisk wrote:
Eatting things like Veal and Dogs and Shark Fins are not needed to survive. We could manage without eatting any meat in many places, and it would be healthier too.


Following the Servo line of reasoning, we should expel any kind of luxury from our lives and exist with the bare essentials. This is because luxuries are produced at the expense of others, and we should discard them because they're 'not needed to survive'. To produce simple luxuries such as power, paper, living space etc, huge areas of forest are being burned down, land is strip mined, pollution wrecks delicate ecosystems etc etc causing massive damage to the environment. Normal human inhabitation/exploitation of the earth is causing mass extinction to untold numbers of natural species. Do you really stand by the belief that you should only take what you need to survive? And to all the vegetarians, where is your conscience for all the 'poor little animals' when you turn on the lights or lie in your warm bed?
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
June 04 2004 08:55 GMT
#162
The Servo line of reasoning is mostly, don't kill a shark for one fin, don't destroy a whole rainforest for one house.

And the other luxuries are different to food because we have very good alternatives now.
wtf was that signature
BlazeD
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada236 Posts
June 04 2004 09:04 GMT
#163
acutally by immigration i mean only let either rich ppl in, or ppl with the education to have a good job that will bring money to the country. also its necessary to have incredibly high standards of background check so no terrorists etc. about homeless ppl? i dont see the difference bw a piece of garbage u put at the corner of ur house for the truck to pick it up to the dumpster and a homeless person. they both pollute, have no economic value, and only harass ppl for money to get more alcohol. not only that but some waste more taxpayers money in mental hospitals or jails. im sure if they would be eliminated ur life wouldnt change one bit. its good to keep the publicity rolling and spiking the hype. im happy u are interested enough to comment. and if u look clearly my point in this thread was stated in my 1st post, all the others were just natural reaction to idiots. and im sure my dog is more intelligent then baal.
goin down around here nigga, get ur motherfuckin head bust, them motherfuckin street lights go out, them real niggerz come out, all the bitch niggerz go in the house, shit is not a game man, dont fuck around n lose ur brain - young buck
BlazeD
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada236 Posts
June 04 2004 09:06 GMT
#164
'the perfect world' should hit the shelves in about 3 years.
goin down around here nigga, get ur motherfuckin head bust, them motherfuckin street lights go out, them real niggerz come out, all the bitch niggerz go in the house, shit is not a game man, dont fuck around n lose ur brain - young buck
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33492 Posts
June 04 2004 13:31 GMT
#165
winnie the pooh paws :D
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
June 04 2004 13:40 GMT
#166
Dogs are evil. Bon appetit.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 05 2004 00:30 GMT
#167
On June 04 2004 18:04 BlazeD wrote:
acutally by immigration i mean only let either rich ppl in, or ppl with the education to have a good job that will bring money to the country. also its necessary to have incredibly high standards of background check so no terrorists etc. about homeless ppl? i dont see the difference bw a piece of garbage u put at the corner of ur house for the truck to pick it up to the dumpster and a homeless person. they both pollute, have no economic value, and only harass ppl for money to get more alcohol. not only that but some waste more taxpayers money in mental hospitals or jails. im sure if they would be eliminated ur life wouldnt change one bit. its good to keep the publicity rolling and spiking the hype. im happy u are interested enough to comment. and if u look clearly my point in this thread was stated in my 1st post, all the others were just natural reaction to idiots. and im sure my dog is more intelligent then baal.

BIG BROTHER FIGHTING!
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 05 2004 00:31 GMT
#168
On June 04 2004 17:28 VoV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2004 18:58 Servolisk wrote:
Eatting things like Veal and Dogs and Shark Fins are not needed to survive. We could manage without eatting any meat in many places, and it would be healthier too.


Following the Servo line of reasoning, we should expel any kind of luxury from our lives and exist with the bare essentials. This is because luxuries are produced at the expense of others, and we should discard them because they're 'not needed to survive'. To produce simple luxuries such as power, paper, living space etc, huge areas of forest are being burned down, land is strip mined, pollution wrecks delicate ecosystems etc etc causing massive damage to the environment. Normal human inhabitation/exploitation of the earth is causing mass extinction to untold numbers of natural species. Do you really stand by the belief that you should only take what you need to survive? And to all the vegetarians, where is your conscience for all the 'poor little animals' when you turn on the lights or lie in your warm bed?

Your last line is stupid. Very.

Can you not see the differance between man slaughter and cannibalism?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
June 05 2004 00:51 GMT
#169
eating meat isn't needed at all, i've lived a fair amount of time off fruits/plants (healthily).
that's not to say i'm forcing my view on anyone else :O
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
June 05 2004 05:11 GMT
#170
I would never eat dog meat ever. I love dogs with a passion. I don't think its wrong if other people do it, I just never would.
4 cheers for Ryan307
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 05 2004 05:16 GMT
#171
I'm very pro vegetarian

but Meat is seriously too good to let go of (for me)
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
June 05 2004 05:46 GMT
#172
yeah I agree with naz.. if meat was not so tasty (and while I'm pretty clueless on nutrition, I've heard having some meat in your diet is healthy too. at least being a vegan makes you lack some things. ) I'd probably be a vegetarian.
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VoV
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom32 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-05 07:25:25
June 05 2004 06:38 GMT
#173
On June 05 2004 09:31 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Your last line is stupid. Very.

Can you not see the differance between man slaughter and cannibalism?


Well maybe I am stupid, I don't understand what you mean by 'the difference manslaughter and cannibalism' ^_^ Expansion on your point would be welcome so I can respond.

edit: I got confused by your emotive choice of language I understand your point to be that we commit 'manslaughter' animals by destroying that habitat etc, and that we are committing 'cannibalism' by eating them. From your post, it seems like you are saying that 'manslaughter' is justifiable/acceptable, whilst 'cannibalism' is somehow worse and unacceptable?

Well I have to say I think this is rather a misleading analogy. Your reasoning is that since we have a direct intention to kill when we eat meat, then this is morally more culpable than when we 'accidentally' kill animals via our normal inhabitation of the earth. Except the environmental/animal cost is not an 'accident', we know for certain that when we hack down that rainforest, that the local wildlife will suffer and die etc Because we know it is an unavoidable consequence, we 'intend' the death just as much as if we were killing it for its meat. A more apt comparison would be murder vs cannibalism.

An often used example to illustrate this. A terrorist blows up a plane and kills everyone on board. He intends it and has thus commited murder. (Eating meat)

A man blows up a plane with his goods upon it in order to effect an insurance scam. His primary aim is not to kill everyone on board, but to get the insurance money. But he knows that everyone on board will die as a result. In this example, the man intends the death of everyone on board just as much as in the first example. This would be analagous to our normal inhabitation of the earth and our exploitation of it.

Whether we are eating meat or turn on the heating, we're still indirectly killing animals. The effect on the animals is exactly the same, yet you are making an exception for eating meat. Since there is no practical difference in distinguishing the two, then you must have some kind of moral basis for saying animals/environment is ok to exploit for other purposes, but not for their meat. What is this moral basis? (Bearing in mind I really do not believe cannibalism/manslaughter is a good comparison for reasons stated.)
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