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supereddie

Netherlands151 Posts

May 24 2018 10:20 GMT

#19201

Don't scrape websites. Scraping breaks as soon as the website changes the structure of the page. It also puts additional strain on the server. It might not even fall under the Terms of Use of the site.

Try to find out if the website has an api, or a pre-made dataset, that you can use. You can try contacting them via Twitter or something.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 24 2018 10:35 GMT

#19202

On May 24 2018 19:20 supereddie wrote:
Don't scrape websites. Scraping breaks as soon as the website changes the structure of the page. It also puts additional strain on the server. It might not even fall under the Terms of Use of the site.

Try to find out if the website has an api, or a pre-made dataset, that you can use. You can try contacting them via Twitter or something.

I think they do have an API, but it's such a small # of requests I really don't think it would be very disruptive (there's like 8 categories with an average of maybe 4 sub categories, so the upperbound is really low for # of requests).

But I don't actually need this data since (like I said) it took like 5 minutes to copy paste it by hand, but I'd still like to know HOW to do it >_<

ShoCkeyy

7815 Posts

May 24 2018 13:44 GMT

#19203

Here you go Jinro

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-scrape-web-pages-with-beautiful-soup-and-python-3

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/politicsdatalab/localdata/workshops/BeautifulSoup.pdf

Hopefully these help.

Hanh

146 Posts

May 24 2018 16:23 GMT

#19204

On May 24 2018 19:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

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For websites that use javascript to create the dom (like this one actually - it uses AngularJS), python will be difficult to use. In this case, I prefer web browser test automation tools that can simulate clicks and query the dom.

Here's a solution using puppeteer.

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const puppeteer = require('puppeteer')
const util = require('util')

const sleep = n => new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, n))

const main = async () => {
  const browser = await puppeteer.launch({
    headless: false,
    executablePath: '/usr/bin/chromium'
  })
  const page = await browser.newPage()
  await page.goto('https://warhammerunderworlds.com/deck-guides/')
  await page.waitForSelector('.deck-guide__faction-name')

  let factions = []
  for (let i = 1; i <= 8; i++) {
    await sleep(1000)
    await page.click(`.deck-guide__factions > div:nth-child(${i})`)

    await page.waitForSelector('.deck-guide__card-type')
    const faction = await page.evaluate(i => {
      const faction = document.querySelector(`.deck-guide__factions > div:nth-child(${i}) > div`).textContent
      const cardTypes = Array.from(document.querySelectorAll('.deck-guide__card-types'))
      const sets = cardTypes.map(cardType => {
        const name = cardType.querySelector('.deck-guide__card-type > span').textContent
        const items = Array.from(cardType.querySelectorAll('.card-list__table-list-item'))
        const cards = items.map(card => {
          const num = card.querySelector('.card-list__table-cell--number > span').textContent
          const name = card.querySelector('.card-list__table-cell--name > span').textContent
          return { num, name }
        })
        return { name, cards }
      })
      return { faction, sets }
    }, i)
    factions.push(faction)
  }
  console.log(util.inspect(factions, {depth: null}))
  await browser.close()
}

main()

Results:

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[ { faction: 'Garrek’s Reavers',
sets:
[ { name: 'OBJECTIVE CARDS',
cards:
[ { num: '146', name: ' Arm\'s Length' },
{ num: '154', name: ' Skritch is the Greatest, Yes-yes' },
{ num: '234', name: ' Advancing Strike' },
{ num: '235', name: ' Alone in the Darkness' },
{ num: '243', name: ' Change of Tactics' },
{ num: '257', name: ' Escalation' },
{ num: '272', name: ' Master of War' },
{ num: '282', name: ' Ploymaster' },
{ num: '284', name: ' Precise Use of Force' },
{ num: '291', name: ' Superior Tactician' },
{ num: '292', name: ' Supremacy' },
{ num: '305', name: ' Victorious Duel' } ] },
{ name: 'POWER CARDS',
cards:
[ { num: '159', name: ' Musk of Fear' },
{ num: '166', name: ' Bodyguard for a Price' },
{ num: '171', name: ' Sneaky Stab-stab' },
{ num: '311', name: ' Confusion' },
{ num: '329', name: ' Great Concussion' },
{ num: '331', name: ' Hidden Paths' },
{ num: '332', name: ' Illusory Fighter' },
{ num: '347', name: ' Quick Thinker' },
{ num: '348', name: ' Ready for Action' },
{ num: '360', name: ' Sidestep' },
{ num: '368', name: ' Time Trap' },
{ num: '369', name: ' Trap' },
{ num: '372', name: ' Twist the Knife' },
{ num: '373', name: ' A Destiny to Meet' },
{ num: '374', name: ' Acrobatic' },
{ num: '376', name: ' Awakened Weapon' },
{ num: '384', name: ' Deathly Fortune' },
{ num: '391', name: ' Great Strength' },
{ num: '395', name: ' Incredible Strength' },
{ num: '410', name: ' Shadeglass Dagger' },
{ num: '412', name: ' Shadeglass Hammer' },
{ num: '424', name: ' Tethered Spirit' } ] } ] },

...

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

May 24 2018 19:27 GMT

#19205

On May 24 2018 18:20 Silvanel wrote:

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Begining was kinda meh. But later parts on decorator, generator and context manager were nice.

So far all I have seen (including the part where he enforces existence of a method in a derived class with a metaclass) made me appreciate that I get to use C# instead.

sc-darkness

856 Posts

May 24 2018 19:32 GMT

#19206

I've recently met a person who claimed Go is good enough and cross-platform when talking about C++. Surely there's never a cross-platform language if you need to use fancy stuff which is only available at operating system's API. I guess it's my bias that C++ (and C) beats any language any day in terms of control and possibilities (at least non-web software).

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

May 24 2018 21:30 GMT

#19207

fortran,c,c++,rust are all incredibly powerful languages, generally far beyond the scope of what people program with that often go/java/python are good enough for the task at hand. If you need memory allocation, or as much performance as you can squeeze out then I don't think there is a way around choosing the above languages.

The trick is that in c++ case in particular, most people do not know how to write genuinely quick code, so it makes less of a difference then normal.

Silvanel

Poland4733 Posts

May 25 2018 06:59 GMT

#19208

On May 25 2018 04:27 spinesheath wrote:

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So far all I have seen (including the part where he enforces existence of a method in a derived class with a metaclass) made me appreciate that I get to use C# instead.

Huh. I think this is just matter of perception, people have natural preference towards their main langauge. When i was learning C# (Python is my main) i had to constatly remaind myself to not be angry about some features of C#. It felt to me uncessary clumsy, overly verbose and that features repeat itself often. Its personal preference i love the way Python use decorators and context managers.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

May 25 2018 19:41 GMT

#19209

On May 25 2018 15:59 Silvanel wrote:

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It's mostly because of the sheer amount of awful I expect to encounter should I ever touch a large python project. The features he described so far will inevitably reach out to bad devs and make them create abominations I hope to never encounter.

sc-darkness

856 Posts

May 25 2018 21:12 GMT

#19210

Does Python have a lot of bad developers actually when people say it's such an easy language?

Excludos

Norway8193 Posts

May 25 2018 22:35 GMT

#19211

On May 26 2018 06:12 sc-darkness wrote:
Does Python have a lot of bad developers actually when people say it's such an easy language?

Python is often the first (and only) language a lot of people learn when they're really educated in something else (Like Maths or Physics) but need to make a program to do calculations for them. They often have a poor or no concept of good practices, optimisation, or how half the things they're doing even works. For instance: Deep Learning is, at the moment, almost exclusively done in Python. Not because C++ wouldn't be vastly superior for it, but simply because half the people working on it have no idea how to program when they start out, and they're just grabbing the easiest tool they can learn in the shortest amount of time.

so tl;dr: Yes.

edit: Also, omg can people stop posting guides for OpenCV in only Python ffs?! I don't want to learn how to do facial recognition in the wrong language.

On May 25 2018 15:59 Silvanel wrote:
Huh. I think this is just matter of perception, people have natural preference towards their main langauge. When i was learning C# (Python is my main) i had to constatly remaind myself to not be angry about some features of C#. It felt to me uncessary clumsy, overly verbose and that features repeat itself often. Its personal preference i love the way Python use decorators and context managers.

I feel the opposite a lot of the time. "Oh, it can do this? Brilliant!". When I started learning C#, I was already well drilled thinking Qt framework was the best thing in programming since..uhm..something brilliant. It fixes most of the issues I have with c++ and adds a lot of features on top of it. Then I started working with C# and quickly learned that a lot of the things I love about Qt is already baked into C#. Signals and slots, proper containers and types, and actual f'ing error messages and not just "Hey uhm, your program crashed because.. reasons.. probably" for instance.

One of the languages I spent way too long dreading to learn, which ended up pleasantly surprising me, was Javascript (Especially with Node). Sure it's a clusterfuck of legacy code, but by using Lint it becomes surprisingly bearable, and the external library importer is fantastic.

Go and Python on the other hand can go clog themselves into the toilets they came from.

bo1b

Australia12814 Posts

May 25 2018 22:55 GMT

#19212

People do deep learning in c/c++ with a python front end, it's the same thing, just vastly easier to understand for a mathematician.

Excludos

Norway8193 Posts

May 25 2018 23:01 GMT

#19213

On May 26 2018 07:55 bo1b wrote:
People do deep learning in c/c++ with a python front end, it's the same thing, just vastly easier to understand for a mathematician.

This is true. A lot of the backend for this stuff is written in c++ with a Python api. That doesn't help me much when all the materials you can find about the subject is showcased with Python code. It's very difficult for an outside to learn anything about the subject whatsoever without Python.

edit: Before people start linking to ML tools not based on Python, I probably already know about them. It's a complaint about the general situation, not a cry for help.

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

May 25 2018 23:53 GMT

#19214

@bo1b
c++ / python is a brilliant combo. it's super easy to set up bindings to a library with f.ex. pybind11, and make it accessible to domain-experts and data-scientists. but ihaving python bindings to libraries is also very useful for the c++-developer.

f.ex. at work i do data-driven regression tests to check that some new project computes similar enough results to some legacy project. a small library interfaces with the legacy project, and can pull data-sets (input / output) from legacy servers. with py-bindings cross platform scripts for data-retrieval (pulled from multiple serves) and running tests is easy-peasy (btw i wish boost-tests out-of-the-box data-testing capabilities were a bit more flushed out, but as always with boost you can make it work very well if you put in a small bit of effort).

i find python useful just in general wrt to building, testing and low-fi deployment, or experimentation in a library shell. in the context of py / c++ the prospect of getting better techniques and tools for doing static reflection in c++ is very nice.

@excludos
qt should be quarantined to the code that deals with the gui, and even there it should be used as sparingly as possible. for that it's an ok option, but for anything else there are better alternatives. if someone suggested that we use qt for signals / slots at work, he / she would also be quarantined to code that deals with gui.

some never get comfortable with the complexity of c++, and seek refuge in the abstract comfort of Qt or C# or python or whatever. parading this retreat as ersatz critique seems common.

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

May 26 2018 00:00 GMT

#19215

speaking of openCV and gui's. i have been working on my desktop-recording tool a bit lately, where i use openCV to do kmeans on the recorded video to compress the gif:

the thing:
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alien covenant:
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nunez

Norway4003 Posts

May 26 2018 00:05 GMT

#19216

i am going to test out mlpack to see if i like it better. i love the aesthetics of the armadillo library, i hope mlpack is similar. i really dislike the built-in "shared-pointer copy semantics" of openCV.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 26 2018 01:38 GMT

#19217

On May 24 2018 22:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Here you go Jinro

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-scrape-web-pages-with-beautiful-soup-and-python-3

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/politicsdatalab/localdata/workshops/BeautifulSoup.pdf

Hopefully these help.

Thanks I'll take a look

On May 25 2018 01:23 Hanh wrote:

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const puppeteer = require('puppeteer'
const util = require('util'

const sleep = n => new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, n))

const main = async () => {
  const browser = await puppeteer.launch({
    headless: false,
    executablePath: '/usr/bin/chromium'
  })
  const page = await browser.newPage()
  await page.goto('https://warhammerunderworlds.com/deck-guides/'
  await page.waitForSelector('.deck-guide__faction-name'

  let factions = []
  for (let i = 1; i <= 8; i++) {
    await sleep(1000)
    await page.click(`.deck-guide__factions > div:nth-child(${i})`)

    await page.waitForSelector('.deck-guide__card-type'
    const faction = await page.evaluate(i => {
      const faction = document.querySelector(`.deck-guide__factions > div:nth-child(${i}) > div`).textContent
      const cardTypes = Array.from(document.querySelectorAll('.deck-guide__card-types')
      const sets = cardTypes.map(cardType => {
        const name = cardType.querySelector('.deck-guide__card-type > span'.textContent
        const items = Array.from(cardType.querySelectorAll('.card-list__table-list-item')
        const cards = items.map(card => {
          const num = card.querySelector('.card-list__table-cell--number > span'.textContent
          const name = card.querySelector('.card-list__table-cell--name > span'.textContent
          return { num, name }
        })
        return { name, cards }
      })
      return { faction, sets }
    }, i)
    factions.push(faction)
  }
  console.log(util.inspect(factions, {depth: null}))
  await browser.close()
}

main()

Results:

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Oh that looks good, I'll look into this also. This is the same kind of process as using Selenium right?

Hanh

146 Posts

May 26 2018 02:35 GMT

#19218

On May 26 2018 10:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Oh that looks good, I'll look into this also. This is the same kind of process as using Selenium right?

Yes, same idea than using Selenium.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 26 2018 03:28 GMT

#19219

For the people not actively developing new algorithms, what would the benefit be to working in C++ instead of Python? From what I can recall, the performance of most of the computational python libraries are basically c/c++ levels of performance (since they are just calling c/c++ anyway), and can in some cases even be improved with something like cython.

(I don't work in this field, just learning because I'm interested - I'm basically what you describe: only know python... and a little bit of R)

EDIT: I guess basically what bo1b said already.